Stranger abduction theory

[cluciano63]

In my opinion there's just no way this was a random stranger abduction. That would have to be the luckiest criminal on the planet to have snatched a child who just happens to have a step mother with such controversy swirling about her.

If TH didn't personally take Kyron out of the school, someone close to her did. JMO

If it was a random stranger, I will be the first one in line to eat my words. Is there a cute icon for that? LOL

In yet one more similarity to Haleigh's case...lots of people think Ron C. is innoncent, despite his background, his weird behavior following the crime, outlandish statements, asking for free meals, etc...talk about someone acting guilty, IMO. Of course, we don't yet know that he isn't, but he has his supporters, seemingly more than Terri has.

I hate to cite other cases, but Cindi Sommers did really make me decide to hold off on forming opinions too quickly, based on actions after the fact.

So I still think the possibility of a stranger is in play.

 

[loves2bmom]

In yet one more similarity to Haleigh's case...lots of people think Ron C. is innoncent, despite his background, his weird behavior following the crime, outlandish statements, asking for free meals, etc...talk about someone acting guilty, IMO. Of course, we don't yet know that he isn't, but he has his supporters, seemingly more than Terri has.

I hate to cite other cases, but Cindi Sommers did really make me decide to hold off on forming opinions too quickly, based on actions after the fact.

So I still think the possibility of a stranger is in play.

Alright, I'll say the possibility is slim to none. That slim portion is the crow I shall be eating if I'm wrong! :eat:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IMO, if TH did do it, one of the reasons why she may have been vague about the doctor's appointment is that she may have had to use it in case she was seen by someone. It seems that she was very thorough in her research and thought out all the possibilities. If the perp was determined, little could have been done to stop K's disappearance. Who knows if this was the first time this was attempted? Maybe on other occasions it didn't work out because it was noticed... IMO, of course

That may be true and I wish we knew more about the doctor's appointment.

BUT even if people thought they were going to the doctor's office it wouldn't prevent others from seeing them leave and it seems no one saw Kyron leaving alone or with Terri.

Not all that knew them would know about a doctor's appointment.

And those would did know would still remember seeing them leave together if they did so, imo.

IMO

 

[liz b.]

In my opinion there's just no way this was a random stranger abduction. That would have to be the luckiest criminal on the planet to have snatched a child who just happens to have a step mother with such controversy swirling about her.

If TH didn't personally take Kyron out of the school, someone close to her did. JMO

If it was a random stranger, I will be the first one in line to eat my words. Is there a cute icon for that? LOL

Don't forget the highly developed skill pedophile predators have of taking a child in a few moments.... IMO the person who took Kyron could actually have been a stranger to him. I think it's more likely though, that the person was very familiar with Skyline Elementary. Kyron could well have ben killed inside the school. IMO

All JMO

 

[Kimster]

Made a new thread about the other children for you guys ---->[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115404"]Other missing children - are they related to this case? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Lemmy C.]

Don't forget the highly developed skill pedophile predators have of taking a child in a few moments.... IMO the person who took Kyron could actually have been a stranger to him. I think it's more likely though, that the person was very familiar with Skyline Elementary. Kyron could well have ben killed inside the school. IMO

While Googling the Skyline Elementary address, I came across an interesting news article. Two and a half weeks before Kyron Horman went missing, a man broke into the Linnton Community Center five miles from Skyline Elementary.

(with video)
http://www.kptv.com/news/23601409/detail.html

Pat Wagner, volunteer manager, said people are on edge after the break-in.

"I'm afraid he's going to come back. The teacher who gets here at 6:45 a.m. is afraid to come to work. It's frustrating because it seems like no matter what you do, or how hard we try, something always happens," Wagner said.​

The man was bold. The center has several surveillance cameras, (which he was seen on) and the building also serves as a hub for LE. At the time of the report, the man hadn't been caught.

Linnton runs several community programs including after school programs for kids. The LCC web site lists Skyline Elementary as part of a program where kids are picked up after school and then bussed to the center. But there could be tighter connection between the school and the center. When I Google the Skyline address the "Linnton Community Center at Skyline" appears in some links. For some reason the Linnton Community Center shares Skyline's address in some searches, even though the main center is five miles away from the school.

Linnton Community Center at Skyline has a different phone number than the Linnton Community Center.

Does LCC have a program that takes place on Skyline Elementary grounds? Would a man like the burglar that broke into LCC in May target the LCC at Skyline? So far I haven't found any news reports or discussions linking the break-in at the LCC with the Kyron Horman investigation.

 

[Billylee]

Interesting, can't get their Child Care link to do anything. Do they provide the before/after school child care for Skyline I wonder?

 

[Lemmy C.]

Interesting, can't get their Child Care link to do anything. Do they provide the before/after school child care for Skyline I wonder?

According to their web site they do.

Linnton Community Center Programs & Activities

After School Activities Club for school age children & teens: Children & teens arrive at Linnton Community Center on school buses from Skyline Elementary, West Sylvan Middle School & Lincoln High School. This gives them a safe, supervised fun place to be after school while they wait for their folks to pick them up on their way home from work.​

There is no charge to middle school & high school students. Cost is 50.00 per month for Skyline children.​

Update: I don't know if the center provides care for children on the property of Skyline Elementary.

 

[Calliope]

According to their web site they do.

Linnton Community Center Programs & Activities

After School Activities Club for school age children & teens: Children & teens arrive at Linnton Community Center on school buses from Skyline Elementary, West Sylvan Middle School & Lincoln High School. This gives them a safe, supervised fun place to be after school while they wait for their folks to pick them up on their way home from work.​

There is no charge to middle school & high school students. Cost is 50.00 per month for Skyline children.​

Wonder if Kyron ever stayed there after school.

Wonder how many older kids were enrolled.

 

[wickedeye]

If I was a pedophile looking for a random victim or even a specific one, I would not do it on a day where the schedule was disrupted. Kids could arrive anytime between 8-10 a.m., they may be with their parents or other family members, teachers may be walking the halls when normally they would be behind closed doors at predictable times, chaos doesn't necessarily equal cover, just confusion. That's why I don't think it was a stranger abduction. Someone had to know that the school would not call home.(or set it up that way) JMO.

 

[Lemmy C.]

If I was a pedophile looking for a random victim or even a specific one, I would not do it on a day where the schedule was disrupted. Kids could arrive anytime between 8-10 a.m., they may be with their parents or other family members, teachers may be walking the halls when normally they would be behind closed doors at predictable times, chaos doesn't necessarily equal cover, just confusion. That's why I don't think it was a stranger abduction. Someone had to know that the school would not call home.(or set it up that way) JMO.

Those are good points. I don't think I'd give the LCC burglary much notice if it didn't happen to pop up during my search of Skyline Elementary's address. The article does prove that there was criminal activity not too far from Skyline Elementary, only two and a half weeks before Kyron went missing, in a building that has ties to the school. I would like to know what the connection is (if any) between Linnton Community Center and Linnton Community Center at Skyline.

 

[Donjeta]

Police are looking for a man who broke into a northwest Portland community center and stole tools, cash and personal information.

I think LE could have a pretty good clue about whether or not this case is connected depending on whose personal information he stole. If it was someone looking for small boys' files it might be more likely to be connected than if he took the addresses of some elderly people he could go rob or an ex-girlfriend's photo album or something.

 

[eyes4crime]

If I was a pedophile looking for a random victim or even a specific one, I would not do it on a day where the schedule was disrupted. Kids could arrive anytime between 8-10 a.m., they may be with their parents or other family members, teachers may be walking the halls when normally they would be behind closed doors at predictable times, chaos doesn't necessarily equal cover, just confusion. That's why I don't think it was a stranger abduction. Someone had to know that the school would not call home.(or set it up that way) JMO.

MHO Pedophiles groom single moms, families, and communities. Communities such as schools. I bet some pedophiles count on confusion and unpredictability to satisfy their hunger for children. They are like drug addicts seeking to feed their addiction and would know more than most how to take advantage of confusion. Child predators are specialists at what they do. moo mho hoo

 

[Kat010]

MHO Pedophiles groom single moms, families, and communities. Communities such as schools. I bet some pedophiles count on confusion and unpredictability to satisfy their hunger for children. They are like drug addicts seeking to feed their addiction and would know more than most how to take advantage of confusion. Child predators are specialists at what they do. moo mho hoo

Yes, and so well stated.

They also teach and groom each other, including pointing out potential victims on... Facebook. I posted a link to a Fox News investigation on the use of FB by pedophiles. You can find it, and a discussion here:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115700"]Pedophiles use FaceBook to select victims - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


Someone thoughtfully moved the post to the other forum, and thank you. I didn't know that non-mods could post news stories over there. Duh on me!

Given the predator attack in the nearby park, the attempted snatching of another child before Kyron went missing, and the reported problems Portland has with sex trafficking (numerous links in our achives), plus the high # of registered SOs in Portland and Vancouver, it seems as though a predator snatching should still be open as a possibility. In fact, I think it should have been open as a possibility from the get-go.

 

[stmarysmead]

It's quite a coincidence that a pedophile would choose a family where the wife was trying to have her husband murdered and was also fond of sexting.

 

[cluciano63]

Until (and unless) we ever find out what it is (that happened), we can't know what it isn't.

 

[Morag]

It's quite a coincidence that a pedophile would choose a family where the wife was trying to have her husband murdered and was also fond of sexting.

I remember the case in San Diego of a next door neighbor (pedophile) who chose to kidnap and murder the little daughter of some parents who were swingers. That was also quite a coincidence. Pedos choose their victims as they find them.

 

[eyes4crime]

It's quite a coincidence that a pedophile would choose a family where the wife was trying to have her husband murdered and was also fond of sexting.

Even more interesting is that LE said the entire scenario never went beyond words. IMO words can be:

Hearsay
Innuendo
A dream turned into words
A joke
A big wish turned into words
A careless statement
determined by interpretation
An event that may or may not take place
or a bazillion other possibilities.

Fond of sexting - Can't say much about sexting and I don't condone that Terri uses it, however, many do. One obvious use of sexting can be seen as foreplay to communicate with a lover and/or spouse. Certainly doesn't make her a murderer. moo mho hoo

 

[grandmaj]

This is what one paper reported the words were.

The source told KGW that Terri approached a landscaper who had been working on their property in Northwest Portland and asked him if he would kill her husband for "a large sum of money."

Kaine Horman learned of the plot from investigators who said she may have tried to hire other people, too, according to sources familiar with the conversation. Terri said she was in a bad marriage and claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her, according to the sources. The Oregonian first reported the plot Sunday morning. KGW independently confirmed the report through a source close to the investigation.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

 

[debs]

So is this supposed hire-ee of Terri's the stranger who may have alternatively abducted Kyron?