Supporters of smoking bans

[JBean]

Maybe there should be laws enacted that affect whether people can drive gas-guzzling SUV's, or those that emit those powerful fumes that also pollute the air that everyone breathes. Why just stop with smokers? As someone above said, let's go after the obese, too. And perhaps we should really start cracking down on drinkers. Let's make sure nobody does anything that violates our senses. Let's take away every right to make personal choices we've ever had.

We already have those laws regarding car emmissions here in CA. There are laws about drinking already too. Strict laws about how much and what you can do after you've had alcohol and then getting behind a wheel.Another freedom( to drive drunk) gone.

 

[JanetElaine]

I will be curious to see how you feel about this in 5 or 10 years.

I will still feel the same, because to me this is not about smoking or non smoking, but about the freedom of choice.

 

[JBean]

I will still feel the same, because to me this is not about smoking or non smoking, but about the freedom of choice.

You still have the freedom to smoke.

 

[JanetElaine]

By making casinos, dance clubs or strip clubs smoking establishments, then you are limiting those who don't smoke that like to frequent those sorts of places unable to do so.

Casino's, dance clubs and strip clubs would have the choice to be smoke-free or smoking allowed.

I don't smoke and I have never felt limited to go anywhere, btw, smoking or non-smoking environment.

 

[JanetElaine]

You still have the freedom to smoke.

No, I don't, not in an Ohio bar. Not that I would want to smoke, but if I wanted to, I wouldn't have that choice. Before the ban, I had the choice to go smoke free or smoke.

 

[Jules]

Casino's, dance clubs and strip clubs would have the choice to be smoke-free or smoking allowed.

I don't smoke and I have never felt limited to go anywhere, btw, smoking or non-smoking environment.

Maybe I read the post I quoted wrong. I thought they was saying those establishments should be smoking only.

I don't smoke either and have never felt limited in where I could go. I do, however, choose not to go somewhere that is too smoky for me.

 

[JanetElaine]

I do, however, choose not to go somewhere that is too smoky for me.

Exactly, me too. I usually don't stay as long when I'm in a smoky place - for one, because I can't stand it for that long, and two, because I know I will have to wash my (quite long) hair when I come home, or I'll be guaranteed to wake up with a headache and more. That takes time, and I'm too old to stay up that late (seriously, I don't know what happened but it's like I turned into an old lady overnight one day :blushing: ).

Sometimes that was all worth it, though. Ahhh, the good ol' days......

 

[eve]

By making casinos, dance clubs or strip clubs smoking establishments, then you are limiting those who don't smoke that like to frequent those sorts of places unable to do so.

As I said, I don't smoke, but I can see both sides of it. Being married to someone who smokes a bit, it has never bothered him to go to a non-smoking establishment. He's never even commented on it.

No Jules, that's not what I mean. What I mean is that like a strip club, casino or dance club, you could go to a "Smokeasy" (my term) if you wanted to. I just used those examples because they're strictly entertainment places and to some, they're controversial. So in my scenario there would be non-smoking and smoking establishments of all types. The market will either support them or not, naturally!

I am pro-choice, that's all.

And I don't understand why having the choice available to those who want it is so threatening. I see an element of spite involved when I see comments like Reb's: believe me.. you all had your day. and the rest of us have suffered enough!!!!!.

Make the smokers suffer now, is that it?

Eve

 

[Jules]

No Jules, that's not what I mean. What I mean is that like a strip club, casino or dance club, you could go to a "Smokeasy" (my term) if you wanted to. I just used those examples because they're strictly entertainment places and to some, they're controversial. So in my scenario there would be non-smoking and smoking establishments of all types. The market will either support them or not, naturally!

I am pro-choice, that's all.

And I don't understand why having the choice available to those who want it is so threatening. I see an element of spite involved when I see comments like Reb's: believe me.. you all had your day. and the rest of us have suffered enough!!!!!.

Make the smokers suffer now, is that it?

Eve

Thanks for clarifying, Eve. I misunderstood what you were saying. :doh: Not enought coffee yet...

Bars here are still smoking establishments. I don't know that that will change to 100% non-smoking. I do know that there are bars/clubs in downtown Houston that are smoke-free as they have areas outside for smokers. Restaurants I believe should be smoke-free (or at least have the thing in the ceiling that pulls the smoke up and out). I think it's just a courtesy for those that don't smoke. There's nothing worse that biting into your food and having it taste like the guy's smoke who's sitting at the table next to you.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

The reason I mentioned the weather was mild was because I know it isn't everywhere. that's why it isn't quite as big of a hardship here as in other locations.
I am a sympathetic non smoker. It doesn't bother me for the most part at all.My only point was that it has gotten to be pretty accepted to not smoke around here and the smokers practically have to hide. At our football stadium they have set aside one small area that is a pretty good hike away from the seating for smokers. Most places try to do something like that if they can. But it is getting harder and harder to accomodate the smokers.

Funny you should mention this JBean. It is a good hike from where my SDSU football seats were. I was told many times this season while I was out smoking that I'd have to move to the smoking area or get my hand stamped and leave the stadium. I can't imagine how it went for the Charger fans who smoked since you have about 45,000 more people there for a Charger game.

 

[JBean]

No, I don't, not in an Ohio bar. Not that I would want to smoke, but if I wanted to, I wouldn't have that choice. Before the ban, I had the choice to go smoke free or smoke.

An airline has the right to remove someone from the aircraft if they smell really bad. The passenger has the choice of cleaning up and being smellfree or not getting on the flight. Do you feel the same that this person is losing his personal freedom of being smelly? or should the majority prevail because his odor is offensive to evryone else?

 

[eve]

An airline has the right to remove someone from the aircraft if they smell really bad. The passenger has the choice of cleaning up and being smellfree or not getting on the flight. Do you feel the same that this person is losing his personal freedom of being smelly? or should the majority prevail because his odor is offensive to evryone else?

Yes, the stinky one is losing his freedom to be on that plane but I still maintain that transportation is different than entertainment/recreation, and also is governed by the FAA, to make it even more complex. I have no problem distiguishing rules for airplanes from rules for restaurants and bars for many reasons. Minors are on planes, for one thing. So unless we're talking adult-only flights, it isn't analogous just on that level

But to go with your analogy: I'm a stinko and I open a bar for other stinkos. So what? Enter the stinko bar at your own risk, you know what you're getting into. If I am married to a stinko who wants to go there and I don't like it there, he goes alone. Or, I go next door to the bar for the fragrant only! No stinkos allowed.

OK?

Eve

 

[JBean]

Funny you should mention this JBean. It is a good hike from where my SDSU football seats were. I was told many times this season while I was out smoking that I'd have to move to the smoking area or get my hand stamped and leave the stadium. I can't imagine how it went for the Charger fans who smoked since you have about 45,000 more people there for a Charger game.

One of my boys goes to SDSU
My best gf smokes so I often walked her down towards the smoking area at Qualcomm. I never actually went all the way there, but it is a bit of a hike from my seats and I am fairly close to it. But she just trots down there and smokes because it is important to her. Those that would rather see more of the game just forego the smoking and wait until later.

 

[JBean]

Yes, the stinky one is losing his freedom to be on that plane but I still maintain that transportation is different than entertainment/recreation, and also is governed by the FAA, to make it even more complex. I have no problem distiguishing rules for airplanes from rules for restaurants and bars for many reasons. Minors are on planes, for one thing. So unless we're talking adult-only flights, it isn't analogous just on that level

But to go with your analogy: I'm a stinko and I open a bar for other stinkos. So what? Enter the stinko bar at your own risk, you know what you're getting into. If I am married to a stinko who wants to go there and I don't like it there, he goes alone. Or, I go next door to the bar for the fragrant only! No stinkos allowed.

OK?

Eve

Okay!

But I should add that here in CA minors are allowed in bars if they serve food. So how would that work then?

 

[nanandjim]

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We're in Ohio here btw.... it's 10 degrees out.... that's different than CA....

We're in NY and it's less than 10 degrees out. There have been smoking bans here for a couple of years now. The sentiment was the same as it was in CA when they first banned smoking in public places. All of the bars and restaurants bitterly complained about it. I think that they were even allowed to submit hardship requests allowing smokers back in if they could prove that it was really hurting their business. I haven't heard anything in the news lately. So, I guess that everything is basically okay.

I used to live around and work in Cincinnati. I loved the area. I am glad that they finally have a smoking ban there.

 

[IrishMist]

Boy, I hope Cal doesn't see this post, cause I was just telling him in the PP that I think we have too many laws...

What I really wish is that cigarette companies would be made to lower, and continually lower nicotine levels until they are gone. Slowly but surely. Give them 6 months to have it done.

Then we'd see how many people still smoke.

 

[nanandjim]

Boy, I hope Cal doesn't see this post, cause I was just telling him in the PP that I think we have too many laws...

I am also against laws and government stepping in. Unfortunately, when people and/or businesses do not act for the common good of the people (to include themselves), the government is forced to step in and pass a law forcing them to do so.

That's why you have environmental laws, smoking laws, hazardous waste laws, leash laws, clean up your dog's poop laws, noise/nuisance laws, seatbelt laws, yada, yada, yada.

 

[IrishMist]

I am also against laws and government stepping in. Unfortunately, when people and/or businesses do not act for the common good of the people (to include themselves), the government is forced to step in and pass a law forcing them to do so.

That's why you have environmental laws, smoking laws, hazardous waste laws, leash laws, clean up your dog's poop laws, noise/nuisance laws, seatbelt laws, yada, yada, yada.

But what do you think about my nicotine lowering idea?

ETA: What made it funny was that I had just finished typing the words "I think we have too many laws", then came posting "I think we need a law..."

 

[packerdog]

CA put a ban on smoking in bars New years day 1998. A friend of mine that owns a bar here had to take away the ashtrays in the club at midnite Jan 1st. This really hurt his business. He had tables put out in front of the club for the smokers, but the deal was that you could not bring your drink outside because of the law. He lost alot of business because the bar down the street was family owned and they were exempt and had no employees that were not owners. My friend was mad and told all his customers that they could smoke. Two gals were in the bar and went outside and called the police and told them people were smoking in the bar. The cops came and told the owner that he didn't even have tickets yet to give out and they left.

He now has given each employee a tiny % of ownership and legal papers had to be signed. I guess they are bound and determined to find a loophole.

 

[eve]

Boy, I hope Cal doesn't see this post, cause I was just telling him in the PP that I think we have too many laws...

What I really wish is that cigarette companies would be made to lower, and continually lower nicotine levels until they are gone. Slowly but surely. Give them 6 months to have it done.

Then we'd see how many people still smoke.

So, let's force people to do what they do not choose to do. I can think of many things I do not think people should do but it is none of my business. If I get to tell them what to do, they get to tell me what to do. No way. I have a laundry list of rotten parenting behaviors I want to impose on the parents of my students and it affects me every day. It even affects my health. My stress level, my safety (two of our staff got physically pushed by a student this week - two weeks ago a student intentionally slammed my hand in a door). I want to outlaw spoiled brats with sub-standard parents. They should be banned from schools because it is bad for my health.

Eve