Syringe in bottle contained traces of chloroform

[indicat]

I have yet to hear that Caylee's blood was found on the needle.

I'm not convinced there would be any blood from the needle.

 

[Bittiness39]

I don't know how the prosecution plans to tie the Gatorade bottle/syringe/contents of to KC. I don't know if this is what caused Caylee's death, but there is a frightening theory I have thought of. For those faint of heart...please do not continue to read. God Rest, Little Sunshine (Caylee).

What if KC got didn't buy the syringe, just plucked it out of the trash, etc...from any number of places (who knows, her own home, one of many lays, friends, etc...) and bought the gatorade bottle that same day that Caylee was likely killed. Maybe she used the syringe to inject the cholorform mixture she made from pool cleaner etc...(I am not a chemical expert here) into the gatorade. For some reason, Caylee kept spitting it out...won't drink it.

So...again, stop reading, if you are faint of heart:

So KC then duct tapes her mouth shut. Injects the contents of the syringe into her duct taped mouth...forcing her to swallow the contents. Places the heart shaped sticker over the hole after she convulses to death. This is ofcourse just a theory.

I don't know what the prosecution intends to prove at trial. I do know that with the evidence from the car trunk...it is overwhelming that Caylee was never kidnapped. Caylee was in KC's car (based on all of the facts/evidence). KC knew she was in the car. The bug report proves that.

Whether the syringe and the bottle of gatorade found near the remains are significant and can be tied conclusively to KC...we shall see. I am confident that if they can this evidence will be used at trial. The prosecution has a ton of evidence both circumstantial and factual that they don't need to produce evidence that don't have to to get a conviction.

May KC burn in the fires of HE (double hockey sticks) LL!

 

[lizzysf]

Chloroform: trunk of Casey's car where Caylee was proven to be, computer search at Casey's house, dump site of Casey's murdered daughter. Your right Wudge, it's a stretch.

Jinx Gibby, you owe me a coke

 

[DogMom2JoeAndWillie]

I am still looking (googled: chloroform, testosterone, ethanol and water).
Found this website, it has ALL 4 ingredients.

Revivogen Scalp Therapy for hair loss
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss-articles/362.htm

Snipped from website (bolded by me)...

2.3 Testosterone

Testosterone: [4-14C] testosterone (Amersham B76, 54 mCi/mmole, 2.35 nmole/epidermis). [4-14C] testosterone stock-solution was dissolved in ethanol and diluted in sterile water (1% ethanol final).

2.5 Extractions and analysis

Transepidermal diffusion assessment: the amount of testosterone that passed through the epidermal tissues was measured by liquid scintillation counting (LKB 1211 Rackbeta counter) of a fraction of culture medium.

Metabolism analysis: the steroid molecules from culture media were extracted by 2 volumes of chloroform/methanol (98:2) and dried. The various molecular species (testosterone metabolites) were separated by thin layer chromatography (TLC) on silica plates (RE/Silice, Whatman) in a solvent system containing dichloromethane, ethylacetate and methanol (85:15:3). The plates were autoradiographed and testosterone metabolites were quantified using a phosphorImager and specific software (Packard instrument).

I hate to disappoint, but what this paper is saying is not that this product contained these four ingredients. This is an analytical method that was developed to determine how a testosterone containing product was distributed transdermally and to see what metabolites were produced when it was used.
In their analysis, they took the product and dissolved it in ethanol. In order to extract the testosterone from the product, it had to be put into solution. They could have used just about any short-chain alcohol or other low molar mass polar solvent. Once the product was in solution they added a mixture of methanol and chloroform (probably in a separatory funnel) for extraction. The point of this is to dissolve the testosterone portion into one of the solvents while dissolving the other ingredients in the other solvent. Like compounds dissolve in like solvents...so you choose a solvent that is similar to the compound you want to isolate and another that isn't likely to dissolve that compound. The solvents are usually immiscible based on density or polarity so that they are easily separated by decantation (think oil and water). All they were doing in this method is isolating the testosterone...after extraction the solvents were either discarded, allowed to evaporate or separated by TLC.

 

[impatientredhead]

with Cindy being a nurse? my husband is a hospice nurse, I could go to his car and get a syringe.

I worked in a dental office and have syringes in the file cabinet right now.

 

[lizzysf]

I'm not convinced there would be any blood from the needle.

Rates of disease transmission per accidental needle sticks in health care settings is actually quite low due to minimal amount of blood actually found in used needles.

 

[awakewriter]

Without a video of the crime, disposal of Caylee's remains, and clean-up of the car, I suppose there always could be doubt.

I don't think, with the evidence presented, that there is reasonable doubt that Casey Anthony planned and carried out the murder of her daughter, Caylee, kept Caylee's remains in the trunk of Casey's 1998 Pontiac for several days, later dumped the remains in the woods less than a mile the Anthony home, avoided her parents and brother for one month, partied, and never once mentioned to anyone that her daughter was gone.

Buh-bye, Casey.

 

[RR0004]

Thanks, Oh I do that all the time and yes, in our State you can . .
Ans see above, folks with allergies can get OTC syringes too.

Just went to read...there were 2 Walmart bags found at the scene. Did we know that?

 

[kushka]

I have yet to hear that Caylee's blood was found on the needle.

Nor would you, unless Casey hit a vain or artery - and that is very rare. I give my 2 cats shots every day, and it is only about once every 2 weeks that there is blood on a needle - and I give myself a shot once a month of B-12 (my body has lost the ability to absorb it orally), I have had to do this for 2 years now, and I never got blood on the needle and I was a complete novice at giving shots when my first cat got sick, so it is not expertise at giving shots that accounts for the lack of blood, it is just that the odds are you will not hit a vain by accident when giving a shot.

 

[RR0004]

Momma's doll clothes were never found. :waitasec:

What was the white cloth tested...like an undergarment?

 

[Mominva]

Just a website I found. How to make chloroform. http://www.sci-spot.com/Chemistry/chloro2.htm

 

[ZsaZsa]

I am not in the medical field, but years ago I used to give myself B12 shots... and I have quite a few syringes left.... I think there is a plethora of explanations as to why KC would/could have had access to a syringe, used or otherwise.

There are a lot of kids meds that are given by the cc making it easier to use a syringe for accuracy. CA would also have easy access to a supply in the course of her job. Hopefully they will have checked the lot # and examined those at CA's office for comparison. It would be easy to check that line of enquiry.

 

[static]

I worked in a dental office and have syringes in the file cabinet right now.

I had a feeling they were not going to release what they found about the syringe until later...I even posted that back in June. I am guessing there will be more to come
NOt only syringes but she probably had access to gloves. You can get those by the boxful. If she was dropping Caylee off at the hospital alot, you bet she knew where the stash was kept.
this was my post back in June...
I do not believe they have released whatever that syringe in that toilet paper roll was...Hoping, Hoping, they have some fingerprints that match KC's...Don't you think that if it was nothing, they would have included that in the reports somewhere? If someone has seen that the syringe was looked at , please let me know. To this day I do not think anything on it has been released. JMO
not trying to toot any horn, but that was just kept too quiet...

 

[Curious Me]

It doesn't seem like this bottle with the syringe was put together while at Walmart. Did she prepare it at home that morning or back in March? Was it her Ace in the Hole in case she couldn't find a babysitter? How did the backpack and all this extra stuff end up with the remains? The only question I don't have because I know for a fact now is that Casey is not very bright, and is blinded by her own narcissistic evil mind.

 

[Imbackon]

Like the missing inculpatory physical evidence in Cynthia Sommer's murder trial, there's a huge gap in inculpatory physical evidence in this case.

The syringe certainly does not prove Caylee was murdered. Moreover, as best I can tell, they haven't tied it to Casey or to Caylee's death.

10 years from now, while you are writing on the internet about what a bum rap KC got, I will be conforted KNOWING that she is in prison.

 

[faefrost]

I had a feeling they were not going to release what they found about the syringe until later...I even posted that back in June. I am guessing there will be more to come
NOt only syringes but she probably had access to gloves. You can get those by the boxful. If she was dropping Caylee off at the hospital alot, you bet she knew where the stash was kept.
this was my post back in June...
I do not believe they have released whatever that syringe in that toilet paper roll was...Hoping, Hoping, they have some fingerprints that match KC's...Don't you think that if it was nothing, they would have included that in the reports somewhere? If someone has seen that the syringe was looked at , please let me know. To this day I do not think anything on it has been released. JMO
not trying to toot any horn, but that was just kept too quiet...

The Syringe contained chloroform and ethanol, but also was found in a gatordare bottle containing the same. So the perp probably used the bottle to mix the concoction then drew it upinto the syringe, then dropped the suringe in to dispose of it all. (safe sharps! I wonder where she learned that?). But sadly ethanol and chloroform are both solvents, so the mixture of them on both the inside and outside of the syringe probably destroyed or deteriorated any fingerprints or dna.

 

[ThoughtElf]

It was in a disney bag.

BBM

Can someone determine if this, is in fact, a bag that belonged to KC?

With so much trash in that area, if this was just randomly thrown out there, then all this rhetoric about the syringe and gatorade, may have no connection at all.:waitasec:

I don't think the jury is going to buy, "Ooooh look at that! The Shiny Goddess of Serendity just happened to ensure that a piece of (trash) evidence with positive chloroform results on it was in very close proximity to Caylee's remains. Well, now, what an odd, but un-connected coinky-dink that is. Let's just ignore that as it must be happenschance and entirely unrelated to the computer searches, or the chloroform results in the trunk, to the remains of the dead child with duct-tape on her skull."

I give most of my fellow human beings more credit than that. I trust that there are very few who wonder through life applying circle-arguments to every issue. I challenge anyone to go look in 30 over-grown or open fields that are strewn with trash - even one without a body in it - and find a bottle with a syringe in it that has chloroform results. Even without a calculator in hand, really, WHAT ARE THE ODDS? And that's without even considering all the rest of the evidence.

I believe common-sense is actually more common than some say. But, that's just me...

 

[ZsaZsa]

I think, the shower at JG's was after Caylee was dead and laying out in those woods.

Also to leave something she thought would be incriminating. She went there for no good reason that's for sure.

 

[indicat]

I don't think the jury is going to buy, "Ooooh look at that! The Shiny Goddess of Serendity just happened to ensure that a piece of (trash) evidence with positive chloroform results on it. Well, now, what an odd, but un-connected coinky-dink that is. Let's just ignore that as it must be happenschane and entirely unrelated to the computer searches, or the chloroform results in the trunk."

I give most of my fellow human beings more credit than that. I trust that there are very few who wonder through life applying circle-arguments to every issue. I believe common-sense is actaully more common than some say. But, that's just me...

I love the way you put it!!:woohoo:

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I had to search for the actual documents from the FBI labs on this so I thought I would post actual link - these are on the Webleuths current docs but were hard to find :

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/11911-11987.pdf

(pages 11984 and 11985 are the report pages - the other pages show all the lab results)

Thanks, eaglemom!! I need some help here. I read the above referenced information and am totally stymied! The way I read it makes it sound like no chloroform was found. Will someone else read and correct me, please?

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/11911-11987.pdf (page 75)