Syringe in bottle contained traces of chloroform

[reeseeva]

I believe the gatorade bottle was in the disney bag near the skull. I remember writing it down.

Really trying to figure this out, (thinking as the Defense would, Thanks to Wudge) Did the Disney bag belong to KC? Where was the Gatorade bottle? Is it possible it was just part of trash dumped in the area?

The Defense will shoot this down in no time, unless directly tied to KC.

 

[panama]

Ok, maybe this is a stretch, but here's an idea:

When he was younger, LA had that bad reaction to Accutaine involving platelet deficiency. It's apparently called Thrombocytopenic Purpura (I found the name of the disease on Marinadedave's site.)

Thrombocytopenic Purpura can apparently be treated with something called Danazol ([ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danazol"]wiki[/ame]). Danazol is a modified testosterone. I wonder if the lab tests are sensitive enough to distinguish between Danazol and testosterone. Or, perhaps Danazol breaks down into testosterone with time & heat, or exposure to "cleaning fluid," chloroform, or ethanol. (Crap, if only I hadn't dropped organic chemistry... then maybe I'd know for sure )

Anyway, maybe a syringe containing Danazol was still sitting in a medicine cabinet in the Ant's or LA's house, and KC (or, uh, the real killer) swiped it for other uses...

[Though, if the syringe came empty in a bag, this wouldn't make too much sense. And who knows if LA actually was prescribed Danazol injections. On the other hand, steroids (specifically methylprednisolone) are apparently a standard treatment for LA's disease. Methylprednisolone is structurally somewhat similar to testosterone, so maybe in the presence of heat/time/the-other-chemicals, it too could transform into testosterone, or something that would test as testosterone. Again, if only I'd gone through with that organic chem thing, perhaps I could say for sure. Heh.]

 

[lizzysf]

Kind of a judgement call but.. George strikes me as someone who values a youthful appearance and male masculinity.. including sex drive. He may need a bit of help in that dept. like many males his age due to decreasing hormone levels.. it may take a bit of help also when considering who is spouse is, and difficulties in their marriage. He fits the ticket on a few levels in my mind.

 

[Tracey276]

The one thing that gives me some relief is knowing the state doesn't have to prove WHERE KC got ANY of these items, only that SHE was the ONLY one who used them ON Caylee. And that, my friends, looks like it's a slam dunk!

Justice is coming to you Caylee and you will Soon be able to rest in peace, FINALLY!

 

[KenoshaKid]

Ok, maybe this is a stretch, but here's an idea:

When he was younger, LA had that bad reaction to Accutaine involving platelet deficiency. It's apparently called Thrombocytopenic Purpura (I found the name of the disease on Marinadedave's site.)

Thrombocytopenic Purpura can apparently be treated with something called Danazol (wiki). Danazol is a modified testosterone. I wonder if the lab tests are sensitive enough to distinguish between Danazol and testosterone. Or, perhaps Danazol breaks down into testosterone with time & heat, or exposure to "cleaning fluid," chloroform, or ethanol. (Crap, if only I hadn't dropped organic chemistry... then maybe I'd know for sure )

Anyway, maybe a syringe containing Danazol was still sitting in a medicine cabinet in the Ant's or LA's house, and KC (or, uh, the real killer) swiped it for other uses...

[Though, if the syringe came empty in a bag, this wouldn't make too much sense. And who knows if LA actually was prescribed Danazol injections. On the other hand, steroids (specifically methylprednisolone) are apparently a standard treatment for LA's disease. Methylprednisolone is structurally somewhat similar to testosterone, so maybe in the presence of heat/time/the-other-chemicals, it too could transform into testosterone, or something that would test as testosterone. Again, if only I'd gone through with that organic chem thing, perhaps I could say for sure. Heh.]

I took Danazol many years ago for endometriosis, and it was not by injection, it was a pill. HTH

 

[Mrs.Peacock]

For male menopause (Andropause)... increases sex drive and general feelings of youthfulness. Add one tattoo on your chest, a diamond stud in your ear..... bada bing.
Actually...I had said it was also given to prevent prostate CA in men with low levels...I had that back-a$$wards.. it is feared (but not concluded) that Testosterone therapy may cause higher risks of prostate CA. Sorry for the mislead.. a bit rusty on some hormonal health issues.. i knew there was a link tho..

Testosterone can be prescribed for both men and women. Although not much research or consideration is given to womens low testosterone levels. I myself happen to have a fairly progressive doctor who believes in prescribing transdermal testosterone gel which ironically contains HIGH levels of ethanol, since is is meant to quickly evaporate from the skin. Unfortunately I don't have any clue if the same applies to the injectable form, but I highly doubt it. My thought is that the simplest answer is that CA swiped the syringe from home- most likely GA's.

 

[one_hooah_wife]

I don't know how this will fit in or if it will at all. Testosterone injections are used by bodybuilders and serious gym rats, both male and female. Many AS "dealers" also supply clean urine to be used in case of a drug screen. I have an oh-so-sick feeling that KC might have obtained these items from someone else in an effort to frame him.

 

[Imbackon]

We don't know where the needle came from, and frankly my dear I don't give a da?%
I don't care where the choroform came from either.
We know someone checked online for how to make it so that is a no brainer for me.
Any chloroform made could have broken down over time, so who knows about the ethenol or acetone or whatever it was.
Testoterone could have been in the needle prior and testosterone is NOT LIMITED TO MEN.
In case you didn't know, needles are easier to come by since we have addicts that get deceases from sharing needles, and it is better to give them clean needles AS DIRTY NEEDLES DO NOT STOP THEM FROM USING.
I work in a government building plus I go to a casino and both places have containers with different types of needles and the needles are accessible. I suspect Grandpa's nursing home has a few lying around as well.

She made chloroform, and didn't want to chloroform herself. Keeping it in a bottle, then sucking it up with a needle and injecting it was probably her idea of safe delivery. To keep herself SAFE.
No big deal about using the needle intramuscularly or otherwise. There are 13 year old addicts using needles, do you think a cold heartless woman like Kc who is in the process of murdering her daughter is gonna get squeemish about shooting her up with a needle?
Mothers have been known to cut their children's throats or throw rocks at their heads, or drowned them etc.. so a needle seems pretty tame under the circumstances.

 

[Wudge]

Casey has yet to be placed where Caylee's remains were found. There's no report that they found Casey's fingerprints or DNA on the syringe. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought the syringe or had possession of it. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought chloroform.

Moreover, other chemicals were also found to have been in the syringe. Many off-the-shelf products contain chlorofrm in a mixture with other chemicals. Furthermore, there no evidence that Caylee died from chloroform in a pure state or in mixture with other chemicals.

Who did they determine to be the owner of the testosterone?

This is yet more evidence that works for the defense.

 

[Snaz]

Kinda shoots down Cindy's chlorophyl claim.

I had to laugh when I read Cindy claiming she had done searches for "chlorophil"... she couldn't even spell it correctly.... I wonder if she really thought anyone would actually buy her story...

 

[RubyB]

hmmmm..

put in jello, or a fruit like an orange or apple

as a SNACK for little Caylee while she was in the car and going to the nanny's Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:innocent:

Or how about injecting a freezer pop w/it before freezing?

 

[lizzysf]

Ok, maybe this is a stretch, but here's an idea:

When he was younger, LA had that bad reaction to Accutaine involving platelet deficiency. It's apparently called Thrombocytopenic Purpura (I found the name of the disease on Marinadedave's site.)

Thrombocytopenic Purpura can apparently be treated with something called Danazol (wiki). Danazol is a modified testosterone. I wonder if the lab tests are sensitive enough to distinguish between Danazol and testosterone. Or, perhaps Danazol breaks down into testosterone with time & heat, or exposure to "cleaning fluid," chloroform, or ethanol. (Crap, if only I hadn't dropped organic chemistry... then maybe I'd know for sure )

Anyway, maybe a syringe containing Danazol was still sitting in a medicine cabinet in the Ant's or LA's house, and KC (or, uh, the real killer) swiped it for other uses...

[Though, if the syringe came empty in a bag, this wouldn't make too much sense. And who knows if LA actually was prescribed Danazol injections. On the other hand, steroids (specifically methylprednisolone) are apparently a standard treatment for LA's disease. Methylprednisolone is structurally somewhat similar to testosterone, so maybe in the presence of heat/time/the-other-chemicals, it too could transform into testosterone, or something that would test as testosterone. Again, if only I'd gone through with that organic chem thing, perhaps I could say for sure. Heh.]

But that was when he was in high school.. if he had ITP it would have been resolved long ago.. it would not be a chronic disease r/t medication once the med is stopped..it will resolve. I doubt a used syringe would hang out that long in Cindy's (where he lived at the time...if he was on it)

 

[Dear Prudence]

I don't know how this will fit in or if it will at all. Testosterone injections are used by bodybuilders and serious gym rats, both male and female. Many AS "dealers" also supply clean urine to be used in case of a drug screen. I have an oh-so-sick feeling that KC might have obtained these items from someone else in an effort to frame him.

From the pics and videos I've seen, Jesse G. looks pretty well-built to me where as Tony L. looks pretty skinny. Just saying.

 

[Imbackon]

The one thing that gives me some relief is knowing the state doesn't have to prove WHERE KC got ANY of these items, only that SHE was the ONLY one who used them ON Caylee. And that, my friends, looks like it's a slam dunk!

Justice is coming to you Caylee and you will Soon be able to rest in peace, FINALLY!

I couldn't agree with you more.
To me, chloroform in the car and the search online, tie this to Casey, and no way is it a coincidence.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Casey has yet to be placed where Caylee's remains were found. There's no report that they found Casey's fingerprints or DNA on the syringe. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought the syringe or had possession of it. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought chloroform.

Moreover, other chemicals were also found to have been in the syringe. Many off-the-shelf products contain chlorofrm in a mixture with other chemicals. Furthermore, there no evidence that Caylee died from chloroform in a pure state or in mixture with other chemicals.

Who did they determine to be the owner of the testosterone?

This is yet more evidence that works for the defense.

You can not be serious !

 

[lizzysf]

Testosterone can be prescribed for both men and women. Although not much research or consideration is given to womens low testosterone levels. I myself happen to have a fairly progressive doctor who believes in prescribing transdermal testosterone gel which ironically contains HIGH levels of ethanol, since is is meant to quickly evaporate from the skin. Unfortunately I don't have any clue if the same applies to the injectable form, but I highly doubt it. My thought is that the simplest answer is that CA swiped the syringe from home- most likely GA's.

Yes..combination HRT patches or oral for women is usual.. but for men...monthly injections is very routine in therapies.

 

[Imbackon]

Casey has yet to be placed where Caylee's remains were found. There's no report that they found Casey's fingerprints or DNA on the syringe. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought the syringe or had possession of it. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought chloroform.

Moreover, other chemicals were also found to have been in the syringe. Many off-the-shelf products contain chlorofrm in a mixture with other chemicals. Furthermore, there no evidence that Caylee died from chloroform in a pure state or in mixture with other chemicals.

Who did they determine to be the owner of the testosterone?

This is yet more evidence that works for the defense.

.

You can wish

 

[eaglemom]

Really trying to figure this out, (thinking as the Defense would, Thanks to Wudge) Did the Disney bag belong to KC? Where was the Gatorade bottle? Is it possible it was just part of trash dumped in the area?

The Defense will shoot this down in no time, unless directly tied to KC.

If you look at page 12062 it lists the Disney bag and the Gatorade bottle as seperate and distinct items and does not state (found inside) for the Gatorade bottle.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/11988-12070.pdf

I hope that helps answer your question to some extent.

The syringe and Gatorade bottle were also tested for DNA:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/12321-12378.pdf

but there is no report following and I am not good enough at reading raw DNA (if that is what indeed foolws) to determine anything and I have been unable to find a summation report as yet in all the released documents.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Casey has yet to be placed where Caylee's remains were found. There's no report that they found Casey's fingerprints or DNA on the syringe. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought the syringe or had possession of it. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought chloroform.

Moreover, other chemicals were also found to have been in the syringe. Many off-the-shelf products contain chlorofrm in a mixture with other chemicals. Furthermore, there no evidence that Caylee died from chloroform in a pure state or in mixture with other chemicals.

Who did they determine to be the owner of the testosterone?

This is yet more evidence that works for the defense.

I know of no evidence that proves anyone other than Casey was the last one seen with Caylee. I know of no evidence that proves anyone other than Casey was driving the Pontiac in which a decomposing human was in the trunk. I know of no evidence that proves anyone other than Casey searched for "how to make chloroform" on the family computer. I know of no evidence that proves anyone other than Casey knew Caylee was missing for 31 days before reported to authorities.

 

[Snaz]

I have not had a chance to read this whole thread yet, so I apologize if this has already been addressed.

Since the syringe was found inside the Gatorade bottle, could any fingerprints on the syringe have been preserved, or would the chloroform inside the bottle have destroyed those, assuming they did exist?

TIA!