Syringe in bottle contained traces of chloroform

[RR0004]

When I googled these 4 ingredients, all I could find is Testosterone Replacement Therapy, Hormone Therapy, Testosterone for hair loss, Muscle Enhancement drugs, and things of that nature.
It had to be a stolen needle.:waitasec:
AND a website for that 24-hour anti-fertility shot to keep from getting pregnant..all 4 ingredients are used in the making for it.

Funny you should mention fertility...I was wondering if she was using the needle for just that...and find out it's just the opposite...hmmm.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

Not if it was in the elements for all that time and degraded or washed away with all of the flooding.

In that case, this would be more likely it was paper towel or a paper napkin, but I do think it would still show up in trace amounts or leave some kind of hint.

 

[mountaintime]

Thanks, Oh I do that all the time and yes, in our State you can . .
Ans see above, folks with allergies can get OTC syringes too.

Remember the guy ( can't recall his name), who supposedly saw Casey and Caylee the last day...?

He said she purchased something and appeared to be concealing her purchase..?

I will see if I can find the link...
Obviously, I am thinking syringe.

 

[KenoshaKid]

Not if it was in the elements for all that time and degraded or washed away with all of the flooding.

Yes, but I'd expect a fiber or two to remain on the sticky side of the tape.

 

[RR0004]

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Now I'm wondering if there isn't a simple innocent explanation for this. Weird to keep it in a gatorade bottle though.

That's the part I can't get past. If TL was using roids even...would he keeping it in the bottle? I haven't read the report...but it did say there were traces of chloroform in the liquid, right?

 

[ThoughtElf]

Momma's doll clothes were never found. :waitasec:

Well just d*mn. Just D*MN.

"they haven't even found her clothes." > Mama Doll's???

I have been oft astounded, frequently sickened, but if it turns out that she stripped the clothes off Beloved Mama Doll and used this familar source of comfort to Caylee as a weapon for death, then that will be the singular most repellent act in this case yet, for me.

I've always had a big thing about Mama Doll not being with Caylee. It breaks, wrenches and eats away at my heart that she was denied even that the small, small comfort of her cuddle-clutch at the end.

 

[mountaintime]

Remember the guy ( can't recall his name), who supposedly saw Casey and Caylee the last day...?

He said she purchased something and appeared to be concealing her purchase..?

I will see if I can find the link...
Obviously, I am thinking syringe.

This is from James Thompson's statement, on Marinada Daves's site:

"When Casey came out, I noticed she purchased something small in the bag she had in her hands … a small box or bottle, but of course couldn’t tell what it was … but she held it close to her chest in her hands like you do when you don’t want anyone to see what you purchased …. and I was hoping the detectives could go to walmart and have them look up the security camera footage and register purchases that day for benadryl or other medications which make you sleepy, duct tape, condoms, or some other type of contraceptive."

 

[Oakley]

from the Sentinel article sited above

Testosterone is a natural occuring hormone in men and women. Levels decline gradually with age and the hormone can be prescribed as a controlled steroid to prevent or reduce osteoporosis, diabetes, cardiovascular disease and other diseases and disorders.

I wonder if GA is/was taking testosterone injections for some reason. I am not even sure why your would take them. Would low testorterone affect your sex drive, etc?

Maybe GA needed the injections or CA thought he needed the injections and got a prescription for a doc where she works. And that is how the needle got to the house and why there were traces of testosterone.

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Or perhaps Cindy was taking meds to prevent osteoporosis?

 

[YellowSubmarine]

injected into food and then fed to the baby

Wonder if this is why GA changed his original story of not seeing the girls til they were leaving the house at 12:50 to he had breakfast with Caylee. kc couldn't have done it, HE had breakfast with her . . .

 

[eaglemom]

I had to search for the actual documents from the FBI labs on this so I thought I would post actual link - these are on the Webleuths current docs but were hard to find :

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/11911-11987.pdf

(pages 11984 and 11985 are the report pages - the other pages show all the lab results)

 

[Rlaub44]

Since chloroform can apparently be made at home, I'm imagining the formulation doesn't have to be exact. I wonder if there was enough recovered from the trunk to be analyzed as to its chemical makeup, and then compared to the solution found in the syringe/bottle?

If so, and if the proportions of the various ingredients were the same in each mixture, that would go far in definitively tying it to the crime.

 

[ThoughtElf]

Yes, but I'd expect a fiber or two to remain on the sticky side of the tape.

The world according to Casey...

Place rag over face until Sweet Baby knocked out.
Place Caylee in trunk to 'sleep' so MOTY can be w/TonE.
Fight with Cindy.
Apply duct tape.
Go get movies & be w/ TonE some more

 

[lizzysf]

When I googled these 4 ingredients, all I could find is Testosterone Replacement Therapy, Hormone Therapy, Testosterone for hair loss, Muscle Enhancement drugs, and things of that nature.
It had to be a stolen needle.:waitasec:
AND a website for that 24-hour anti-fertility shot to keep from getting pregnant..all 4 ingredients are used in the making for it.

For male menopause (Andropause)... increases sex drive and general feelings of youthfulness. Add one tattoo on your chest, a diamond stud in your ear..... bada bing.
Actually...I had said it was also given to prevent prostate CA in men with low levels...I had that back-a$$wards.. it is feared (but not concluded) that Testosterone therapy may cause higher risks of prostate CA. Sorry for the mislead.. a bit rusty on some hormonal health issues.. i knew there was a link tho..

 

[robotdog]

Wonder if this is why GA changed his original story of not seeing the girls til they were leaving the house at 12:50 to he had breakfast with Caylee. kc couldn't have done it, HE had breakfast with her . . .

hmmmm..

put in jello, or a fruit like an orange or apple

as a SNACK for little Caylee while she was in the car and going to the nanny's Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:innocent:

 

[kushka]

Question? Do needles have serial numbers on them that can be traced back to where they were sold? Anyone here know?

No, the needles don't. You can buy syranges at many pharmacies here in GA. I think some states regulate the sales - most don't. You can also buy them online - my favorate online sourse is KV vet supply where you can get them for .19 each.

I have a couple of old sick cats that need shots - also the syrange without a needle is great for giving meds to cats - here is a link to some of the syrenges with needles you can get from KV.-

http://www.kvsupply.com/browse/Home...edles/D/30000/P/1:1:100:200:20000:21000:21009

 

[Paladine]

from the Sentinel article sited above

FBI lab technicians detected traces of chloroform inside a sports drink and plastic syringe recovered near the scene where the remains of Caylee Marie were found in 2008.

Those details and others are included in the more than 2,100 pages of documents released today by the State Attorney's Office in the criminal case against Casey Anthony -- the 23-year-old accused of killing her daughter last year.

The report from the FBI's lab shows the Cool Blue-flavored Gatorade drink contained an "unknown liquid." The bottle also contained a plastic bag labeled "Disposable Syringe Kit" with a plastic syringe inside of the bag.

I am a nurse, usually in these kits, you can screw the needle on to the syringe, in other words, there is the barrel, which contains the fluid, and the needle with a cover which screws on to the syringe.
Usually babies meds are dispensed orally with the syringe & just squirted into the mouth

A report generated in June and labeled "Summary of results" by Dr. Michael Rickenbach of the FBI indicates chemical tests show the syringe contained chloroform, testosterone, ethanol and water.

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FYI...I searched bodybuilding and the above bolded ingredients and found this forum thread...How to make testosterone...notice after it's made, it's mixed with ethanol...

What should be done with this (now highly illegal) stuff once the procedure is finished?

Since it is highly illegal I would advocate getting rid of it.

Yet if someone wanted to take the risk and decided to use it, they would probably wonder if it should be taken orally or what?

I would not suggest that anyone take it orally because the purpose of the experiment would be defeated. Since testosterone is mostly deactivated in the gut, the ingestion of the finished product would be worthless. Instead, there are better alternatives, such as making sublingual liquid by dissolving the product in a solvent such as propyleneglycol and/or ethanol. If this is done, I suggest aiming for a concentration of around 30mg/ml and taking one-third of a milliliter (about 33 insulin IUs) under the tongue as a single dose (repeated throughout the day as often as wished by the user). Another alternative is to make a transdermal DMSO solution (messy and stinky). A third course of action (for the bold ones) is to make an injectable solution. There is a fine art to making such solutions (oil- and aqueous-based) and it is beyond the scope of this article for me to go into this. If anyone is interested or wishes to contribute, just say so....

[ame="http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=117136721"]How To Make basic testosterone (reps 4 Life) - Bodybuilding.com Forums[/ame]

 

[lizzysf]

But buying a clean syringe would never explain the presence of Testosterone.. I very highly doubt presence of Testosterone would be found by contamination in the syringe just from injection into a human... It would be highly likely though if the syringe was used to inject the rx Testosterone into someone.

And I know how common testosterone therapy is for older males.. alot.

 

[mom2chloe]

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Or perhaps Cindy was taking meds to prevent osteoporosis?

We know that CA complained of hot flashes waking her up, but she would need estrogen, not testosterone.
I have always thought GA looked awfully good for being in his 60's, and in all the pics his biceps look rather pronounced. Certainly he could be a weight lifter, but given all the photos we've seen of the A's home, I cannot recall any weights or machines. Anyone else think he looks awfully toned?
I just wanted to add that I agree with all the others who state that it is incredibly easy to obtain syringes. I too underwent years of infertility treatments, and I can tell you that when I once ran out of the larger IM needles used to inject and HCG shot or progesterone, I was able to obtain more from my local Kroger pharmacy. The pharmacist merely asked what I was using them for and I had to sign my name in a binder as that is how my particular pharmacy tracked the sale of their syringes. Progesterone is a thick substance also, similar to testosterone, requiring the heavier gauge needles.
Add to that the fact that KC went clear to the other side of town to obtain whatever she did from Walmart, possibly because she didn't want to run the risk of encountering anyone she knew who might witness whatever she purchased.
Poor precious Caylee. :furious:

 

[BeanE]

Well just d*mn. Just D*MN.

"they haven't even found her clothes." > Mama Doll's???

I have been oft astounded, frequently sickened, but if it turns out that she stripped the clothes off Beloved Mama Doll and used this familar source of comfort to Caylee as a weapon for death, then that will be the singular most repellent act in this case yet, for me.

I've always had a big thing about Mama Doll not being with Caylee. It breaks, wrenches and eats away at my heart that she was denied if the small, small comfort of her cuddle-clutch at the end.

If KC used cloth of some kind, I can't think of why she'd need the syringe.

I think she injected, similar to squirting into a child's mouth with an oral meds dispenser, with the needle going right through the duct tape into Caylee's mouth, so that Caylee drowned/choked/was overcome by the chloroform.

If she had everything ready (as I believe she did), she could just put Caylee on the floor on her Pooh blanket, sit on her chest, tape, tape, tape, inject/squirt, wrap Caylee in Pooh blanket, throw her in the trunk.

Little to no struggling from Caylee that way, and she didn't even have to watch Caylee's death throws. Right off to her bf's and an evening of movies and sex - just like she wanted.

For the first time, all the puzzle pieces feel like they're falling into place into something solid. We're sooooo close to knowing Caylee's story.

 

[Tracey276]

If she squirted the chloroform in Caylee's mouth with a needle poked through the duct tape, wouldn't there be tape glue residue left on the needle?

Good point. However, I'm really not sure. I mean at the time, the duct tape was new. So, it wouldn't necessarily be stuck to the sides of the needle, as it being being so sharp would just poke through and slide right out. Also, having stored it in the bottle I would guess that potent of a solution would degrade anything of the needle. I just don't know.

I'm also guessing this may not be case anyway, being there were many, many, many tiny holes all through that tape. It's just bugging the carp outta me trying to figure out where those pin prick size holes came from.:waitasec: