Terrible Thought

[Dutch3]

This is a terrible thought, however, how many mothers are willing to sexualize their daughters at the age of 3 or 4 or 5, etc.? What if Patsy "pimped out" her daughter? What if something happened that night with a "night time visitor"? Patsy did the pimping and then she had to cover up for the terrible damage done to her daughter because of Her actions. I know it sounds terrible, but.....

 

[MeadowMuffin]

This is a terrible thought, however, how many mothers are willing to sexualize their daughters at the age of 3 or 4 or 5, etc.? What if Patsy "pimped out" her daughter? What if something happened that night with a "night time visitor"? Patsy did the pimping and then she had to cover up for the terrible damage done to her daughter because of Her actions. I know it sounds terrible, but.....

I don't think so. Pretty much an inside job.

 

[Dutch3]

Well, don't you think that Patsy letting somebody visit her daughter is an inside job? Some man hurts her seriously... she panics... gets him out of the house and tries to cover up the damage. What else is she going to do ? Say she pimped out her daughter and he killed her. Wreckless endangerment of a child and a party to murder.... Do you think that trying to cover that up isn't an "inside job" ?

 

[icedtea4me]

I don't think so. Pretty much an inside job.

Patsy isn't going to be pimping out her daughter

Well, don't you think that Patsy letting somebody visit her daughter is an inside job? Some man hurts her seriously... she panics... gets him out of the house and tries to cover up the damage. What else is she going to do ? Say she pimped out her daughter and he killed her. Wreckless endangerment of a child and a party to murder.... Do you think that trying to cover that up isn't an "inside job" ?

You think Patsy's going to pimp out her daughter, let alone on the night before the Ramsey family has to leave early the next morning to take a flight to MN?

 

[Dutch3]

Well, to some extent, she had been "pimping" out her daughter for a long time in the "beauty" pagents. What's the difference between that night and any other night? That might put a limitation on some people who think that might make a difference but it isn't a limitation on all people. As absurd as the Whole Jon Benet case is, this theory is no more absurd than any other!

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Well, to some extent, she had been "pimping" out her daughter for a long time in the "beauty" pagents. What's the difference between that night and any other night? That might put a limitation on some people who think that might make a difference but it isn't a limitation on all people. As absurd as the Whole Jon Benet case is, this theory is no more absurd than any other!

IMO, Patsy never pimped out her daughter. Beauty pageants are a big business, and though it's not my cup of tea, it is what it is. An outsider was not in the house that night. It was at least 1 of the 3 people in the house who cracked her skull then went on to garrotte her, position her, and stage the rest.

 

[icedtea4me]

IMO, Patsy never pimped out her daughter. Beauty pageants are a big business, and though it's not my cup of tea, it is what it is. An outsider was not in the house that night. It was at least 1 of the 3 people in the house who cracked her skull then went on to garrotte her, position her, and stage the rest.

Sorry, but I don't see anyone in the house who would be psychologically of doing both the blow to the head and the garroting. Instead, I see the dramatic one doing the head blow and the cold, methodical one doing the garroting.

 

[Tobiano8th]

something like this would be hinted at by many people in the know ..... and there's been no talk of it that I can see.

 

[beubeubeu]

This is a terrible thought, however, how many mothers are willing to sexualize their daughters at the age of 3 or 4 or 5, etc.? What if Patsy "pimped out" her daughter? What if something happened that night with a "night time visitor"? Patsy did the pimping and then she had to cover up for the terrible damage done to her daughter because of Her actions. I know it sounds terrible, but.....

Not many mother's would but pageants weren't seen as such by that time and in that crowd.
Patsy wouldn't risk her family's appearance for... what exactly could she gain from that? And how immense her need of that thing would be to arrange that kind of meeting in her own house, during Christmas?
What would be her goal with showing this level of nativity while writing ransom note? For sure if she would be so depraved and well organized with arranging and executing process of pimping out her little girl, she wouldn't believe that's the way a ransom note should look like.

Extremely unlikely for me. Doesn't line up with what we know about the case.

 

[Forever Young]

Sorry, but I don't see anyone in the house who would be psychologically of doing both the blow to the head and the garroting. Instead, I see the dramatic one doing the head blow and the cold, methodical one doing the garroting.

The other possibility is that the garrote and wrist-ties were used as handles to drag with, instead of picking up JonBenet and holding her against the perpetrator's body.

This method would create strangulation, even if the perpetrator thought she was already deceased; and explain the positioning of the arms raised above the head. I have seen this hypothesis floated around out there.

 

[beubeubeu]

The other possibility is that the garrote and wrist-ties were used as handles to drag with, instead of picking up JonBenet and holding her against the perpetrator's body.

This method would create strangulation, even if the perpetrator thought she was already deceased; and explain the positioning of the arms raised above the head. I have seen this hypothesis floated around out there.

Wouldn't it be clear in autopsy if she was dragged by wrist ties?

 

[whatwhatchickenbutt]

Well, don't you think that Patsy letting somebody visit her daughter is an inside job? Some man hurts her seriously... she panics... gets him out of the house and tries to cover up the damage. What else is she going to do ? Say she pimped out her daughter and he killed her. Wreckless endangerment of a child and a party to murder.... Do you think that trying to cover that up isn't an "inside job" ?

I don't think so. You websleuths are kinda kookoo

 

[Forever Young]

Wouldn't it be clear in autopsy if she was dragged by wrist ties?

I think there were some abrasions on her back, but I'm not sure to what extent.

 

[icedtea4me]

I think there were some abrasions on her back, but I'm not sure to what extent.

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1/8 x 1/16 and 1/8 x 3/16

 

[beubeubeu]

I think there were some abrasions on her back, but I'm not sure to what extent.

I was thinking about abrasions on wrists: struggling while tied up and being dragged by ties on wrists leaves very different marks.
But I have no idea if that would work same way with light weight small child and ropes not directly on the skin.

 

[PremeditatedCrime]

This is a terrible thought, however, how many mothers are willing to sexualize their daughters at the age of 3 or 4 or 5, etc.? What if Patsy "pimped out" her daughter? What if something happened that night with a "night time visitor"? Patsy did the pimping and then she had to cover up for the terrible damage done to her daughter because of Her actions. I know it sounds terrible, but.....

First of all, this was a premeditated murder. Not a "sexual assault gone wrong." And I seriously doubt that Patsy wrote the note. Is she going to incriminate herself?
Secondly, Santa was recovering from heart surgery. And plenty of witnesses saw him recovering from heart surgery; far away from JB.

What were the two motives: 1) to silence JB so that she could not report PRIOR abuse; and 2) to frame Pasty.

All evidence points that either John or John Andrew were the ones harming her.

And would a routine "sexual predator" frame the mother? Wouldn't he be more anxious to frame the father?

Only John and John Andrew (Patsy's stepson) would have a motive to frame Patsy.

And doesn't the ransom note sound like something a young man would write? It doesn't even sound like something a woman to write, since we are not raised to use such violent language.

forget Patsy and Burke (both of who were framed). Concentrate on John and John Andrew.

John Andrew - remember the contents in the suitcase?

 

[PremeditatedCrime]

This is a terrible thought, however, how many mothers are willing to sexualize their daughters at the age of 3 or 4 or 5, etc.? What if Patsy "pimped out" her daughter? What if something happened that night with a "night time visitor"? Patsy did the pimping and then she had to cover up for the terrible damage done to her daughter because of Her actions. I know it sounds terrible, but.....

You do realize that John or John Andrew want us to think that it an intruder, or someone from the beauty pageants? That is what they want us to think!

You do realize that John or John Andrew want us to think that it was Patsy or Burke, both of whom were framed?

Santa was recovering from heart surgery, far away from JB. And plenty of witnesses saw him there.

And no "sexual predator" frames the mother. Wouldn't it make more senses to frame the father?

This wasn't an accident anyway. It was a premeditated murder. With two motives: 1) to kill JB so that she could not report PRIOR abuse; and 2) to frame Patsy

Would Patsy write a note to incriminate herself? Does that sound like a note that a woman would write, since we are not raised to use such violent language. Read the note. It sounds to me like something that a young man would write. Of course, he mimicked Patsy a bit to frame her.

Think about it. He's her stepson. He wants his father to get back together with his mother. NOT because he wants to see his parents reunited, but due to his father's WEALTH!

Why would Pasty be pimping out her daughter to Santa or to a drifter? They were very wealthy.

I suggest that you start holding John and John Andrew responsible, rather than Pasty or Burke (who were framed).

John and John Andrew want us to think it was a routine "sexual predator" - but that makes no sense, since a routine "sexual predator" has no interest in framing the mother.

And this was a premediated murder, it was not an accident.

 

[PremeditatedCrime]

Well, don't you think that Patsy letting somebody visit her daughter is an inside job? Some man hurts her seriously... she panics... gets him out of the house and tries to cover up the damage. What else is she going to do ? Say she pimped out her daughter and he killed her. Wreckless endangerment of a child and a party to murder.... Do you think that trying to cover that up isn't an "inside job" ?

First of all, those charges against Patsy may have been to get her to confess to what she knew. And for all we know, maybe John or Andrew committed the murder, but they convinced her that her 9-year-old son had done it! Remember that Patsy was very intelligent but she was a little strange.

Second of all, this is a premediated murder, not an accident. And didn't they have money, why pimp out her daughter?

No routine "sexual predator" frames the mother anyway. They frame the father.

And how would Patsy get the "sexual predator" out of the house? She was a fairly small woman.

The suspects are John and John Andrew. The motives are 1) to silence JB so that she cannot report PRIOR sexual abuse; and 2) to frame Patsy

Plus you need to frame Burke a bit, so that Patsy will be convinced that her 9-year-old son did the murder.

The father and stepson have these two motives. Remember the suitcase with the incriminating evidence against John Andrew? Is Patsy responsible for the incriminating evidence in the suitcase? Is Patsy the one who has been molesting her daughter all this time?

You are doing exactly what John and/or John Andrew want - blaming Patsy, blaming Burke, blaming intruders, blaming routine "sexual predators"

Read the note: Doesn't it sound like something that a young man would write? A young man like John Andrew? And look at the evidence in that suitcase!

Read the note: Does it sound like something a woman would write? Women are not raise to use such violent language.

Of course, the person who composed the note copied some of Patsy's expressions, choice of words, and such. He was trying to FRAME her. And they had to frame Burke a bit, so that Patsy could be convinced that Burke did it!

Why would Patsy cover for her stepson? Well, lack of witness protection programs. And maybe John her husband convinced her that her 9-year-old son had done it - but Burke did not do this.

It's most likely that John and/or John Andrew wrote the ransom note. They could type up on a computer and then trace onto the writing paper. This would disguise the handwriting. And with John's business and its dubious connections and dealings - John could even hire someone to do the physical handwriting and "mimic" Patsy's handwriting. (Though I don't think it's a very good match.) You really should check into John's business - it was pretty dark and dubious.

Remember that this was a premeditated murder. It was done to silence the little girl. They had to choose Christmas time because there were no servants in the home.

Besides, Santa was recovering from heart surgery, far away from JB. Several witnesses saw him at home, recovering from the surgery.

Another clue - the writing paper was taken from the "middle" of the notepad. Not from the "top" of the notepad. Doesn't that suggest that somebody snuck out a few pieces of paper, and took the pieces of paper from the middle of the notepad, so that Patsy wouldn't notice the papers gone? This was planned beforehand.

Another clue - the oversized underwear. Do you think a woman would do that?

Another clue - where would Patsy learn to construct a garrote?

Another clue - do you think any woman, especially a mother, is capable of something like that? sexual torturing her own daughter?

Another clue - if Patsy had strangled her daughter, is she going to incriminate herself by using her own paintbrush? And if she did, why leave it there? Why not destroy the evidence?

Nobody incriminates themselves by using their writing paper and their writing pen AND their paintbrush. And who do you think was molesting the little girl all this time? It certainly wasn't Patsy!

Only two people have the motive to 1) silence JB; and 2) frame Patsy.

They are John and John Andrew, perhaps working together.

And no, pageant Moms did not do this. Women rarely kill, except in self-defense. Plus, they 1) don't frame themselves; and 2) stage "sexual crimes" Did Susan Smith frame herself? And did she stage it as a "sexual crime."

By the way, I'm anti-*advertiser censored*, anti-prostitution, and anti-sexual exploitation. But you have to understand that the beauty pageants most likely did NOT play a role in this. Although John and John Andrew want YOU to think that they did.

 

[PremeditatedCrime]

Well, to some extent, she had been "pimping" out her daughter for a long time in the "beauty" pagents. What's the difference between that night and any other night? That might put a limitation on some people who think that might make a difference but it isn't a limitation on all people. As absurd as the Whole Jon Benet case is, this theory is no more absurd than any other!

Yes, but Patsy is a woman and is seeing it through a woman's eyes; she doesn't understand the harm in it. She is not seeing it through a man's eyes.

And no, it was not the pageant Moms who killed JB. Women rarely kill except in self-defense. And they do not frame themselves; nor do they stage it as a "sexual crime." I don't recall Susan Smith framing herself, or staging it as a "sexual crime."

You really need to hold men accountable for their behavior - John and John Andrew, not Burke or Patsy.

Yes, I am against beauty pageants but in this case, they were NOT related to the murder of JB.

You are doing what John and John Andrew WANT - blaming Patsy, Burke, routine "sexual predators," and beauty pageants. The pageants had NOTHING to do with it.

 

[PremeditatedCrime]

As absurd as the Whole Jon Benet case is, this theory is no more absurd than any other![/QUOTE]

It's as absurd as blaming the pageant moms. Don't you realize that beauty pageants had NOTHING to do with this. Why would Patsy pimp out her daughter? She had money.

Santa was recovering from heart surgery, far away from JB.

Why are you giving John and John Michael a pass? Ask yourself that.