Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - 12 Boys And Coach Rescued from Cave, 23 June 2018 #6

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It is not really a miracle. Good men did this.

I agree 100%. It was not a miracle. It was just a very good plan, and the best people in world working on it. I think the fact all of the boys survived indicated that the dangers were somewhat overstated. Not to say that there was no danger. I understand why they had to predict that some of the boys would not make it out. There were just too many things that could have gone wrong. They couldn't guarantee that they would all make it out and then have something go wrong and have one or more people die. After all one of the Navy Seals had already died.
 
I agree 100%. It was not a miracle. It was just a very good plan, and the best people in world working on it. I think the fact all of the boys survived indicated that the dangers were somewhat overstated. Not to say that there was no danger. I understand why they had to predict that some of the boys would not make it out. There were just too many things that could have gone wrong. They couldn't guarantee that they would all make it out and then have something go wrong and have one or more people die. After all one of the Navy Seals had already died.

I noticed that at the very end, one of the divers did not use the word "miracle", (associated only with Christianity?) or "higher power", but he used a respectful word for all religions that I thought might be acceptable. I did notice that. I wish I could go to the very end and see what that word was I was going to write it down and then I did not.

What that told me was that they were in the know as far as words to use in their interviews for the Thai/buddist culture not to be offended as they strongly believe that the mountain and the woman associated with the spirit of the mountain helped the children from what I have read.

And we will agree to disagree, and I do strongly disagree, that this was overstated as to the difficulty and dangers. I don't think it was. At all! I'm wondering if anybody has ever brought out a sedated person like this before, and with everything they had, there was no precedent With it all together.

As to disagreeing if it was a miracle, that word for some people is a very religious term that has strict guidelines. For many lay people, ( Christian's, atheist, agnostic, and general people at Large) it is a generally used exclamaory term for things that are extraordinary Beyond imagination. And since so many folks did not believe they would come out 100% alive, yes, I too would say it is a miracle, especially after reading all the stories of how everyone came together so quickly from all walks of life and skill sets. And countries.

I thought it was so interesting to learn after the fact, that each team was isolated as a country for their responsibility. ( for instance the United States was in charge of logistics iirc) I'm sure this helped very much due to communication issues they must have had. This was a way to ensure One team did one job and did it well.
 
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I noticed that at the very end, one of the divers did not use the word "miracle", (associated only with Christianity?) or "higher power", but he used a respectful word for all religions that I thought might be acceptable. I did notice that. I wish I could go to the very end and see what that word was I was going to write it down and then I did not.

What that told me was that they were in the know as far as words to use in their interviews for the Thai/buddist culture not to be offended as they strongly believe that the mountain and the woman associated with the spirit of the mountain helped the children from what I have read.

And we will agree to disagree, and I do strongly disagree, that this was overstated as to the difficulty and dangers. I don't think it was. At all! I'm wondering if anybody has ever brought out a sedated person like this before, and with everything they had, there was no precedent With it all together.

As to disagreeing if it was a miracle, that word for some people is a very religious term that has strict guidelines. For many lay people, ( Christian's, atheist, agnostic, and general people at Large) it is a generally used exclamaory term for things that are extraordinary Beyond imagination. And since so many folks did not believe they would come out 100% alive, yes, I too would say it is a miracle, especially after reading all the stories of how everyone came together so quickly from all walks of life and skill sets. And countries.

I thought it was so interesting to learn after the fact, that each team was isolated as a country for their responsibility. ( for instance the United States was in charge of logistics iirc) I'm sure this helped very much due to communication issues they must have had. This was a way to ensure One team did one job and did it well.

I agree Dixie. I'm not a Christian and did not mean to say God did this miracle instead of the heroic and brave rescuers. It's an exclamation when something was achieved that seemed hardly possible.
 
things learned from msnbc hour

incredible

it really was kinda like a marathon there were places where they were like on a sky lift sorts where cables and stuff moved them

there were places where they were dragged thro

the biggest thing was no visibility and if they hit a rock their mask would come off

there were some portions where they were put on like a stretcher and basically dragged on the ground

they were drugged visually I got the sense pretty much like a coma like dead weight to be dragged and pulled along
 
Thai cave rescue team save baby four days after Laos dam collapse | Daily Mail Online

Thai cave rescue team save four-month-old baby from swirling flood waters four days after he was trapped by deadly Laos dam collapse

Footage released today shows the four-month-old being carried carefully through swirling flood waters and waist-high mud amid an increasing international relief mission to save lives in the area.

The Thai team, who waded several miles through rushing water carrying uprooted trees and debris to rescue the group, are fresh from efforts to help free a youth football team trapped in a cave in the north of their country.

Earlier this week officials said 27 bodies had been retrieved so far, with the country's prime minister reporting 131 missing.
 
I agree Dixie. I'm not a Christian and did not mean to say God did this miracle instead of the heroic and brave rescuers. It's an exclamation when something was achieved that seemed hardly possible.

From "The Jewish News", Rabbi Mark Goldsmith takes a topical issue and provides a progressive Jewish response Progressively Speaking: Was the Thai cave rescue a miracle?

"During a press conference, one of the boys called their rescue a ‘miracle’. Was it? In Jewish understanding yes, it was indeed a miracle. A miracle for us is an act of partnership between the best of human endeavour and the values and power that we receive from the Divine. The miracle was that people used all their God-given ingenuity, courage and strength – and succeeded."
 
From "The Jewish News", Rabbi Mark Goldsmith takes a topical issue and provides a progressive Jewish response Progressively Speaking: Was the Thai cave rescue a miracle?

"During a press conference, one of the boys called their rescue a ‘miracle’. Was it? In Jewish understanding yes, it was indeed a miracle. A miracle for us is an act of partnership between the best of human endeavour and the values and power that we receive from the Divine. The miracle was that people used all their God-given ingenuity, courage and strength – and succeeded."
The Divine whatever that means to you, had nothing to do with it. It was good men who rescued those children.
 
Think best to be quickly Moving away from quoting people about topic that we had discussed...

Here is a very lengthy article which has a lot of information that I thought was well written, and recommend reading. And much of it new. It is pretty long, and so much I wanted to quote, but I'll refrain from quoting just post the link. Except for one funny quote that made me laugh.

"But it is interesting to imagine the reactions of the strapping young fellows in uniforms to the arrival on the scene of the middle-aged Brits and laid-back diving instructors, who turned out to be the only people in the world who genuinely knew what they were doing."

17 days, 2 hours, 56 minutes: the inside story of the Thai cave rescue
 
Mu Pa footballers attend Saman’s ashes immersion ceremony - The Nation

Breaking NewsJuly 29, 2018

The 12 rescued Mu Pa footballers and their assistant coach, who are now in monkhood, on Sunday joined a ceremony to scatter in the river the ashes of a former Navy SEAL who died during the operation to rescue them.Mu Pa footballer Adul Sam-on, who is a Christian, also participated in the ceremony performed in Nakhon Phanom province.

Saman’s royally sponsored funeral was attended by hundreds of people who honoured his sacrifice.
 
Thailand's rescued cave boys end stay at Buddhist temple

With their heads bowed and wearing orange robes, the members of the boys' soccer team rescued from almost three weeks trapped in a cave in northern Thailand on Saturday completed their time as novice Buddhist monks.

About 300 people gathered for the ceremony on a rainy morning that saw the boys leave temple life to return to their families. Those present gave alms — flowers, food, money — as a gesture of their religious devotion.

Although they will be giving up their Buddhist robes, it is likely that the boys will retain some of the solitude of temple life, as the government has discouraged for the time being any interviews with them, wielding the threat of legal action under child protection laws.
 
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The Thai boys and their coach, all with their shoes off, leave the temple following the ceremony.

Thai cave boys graduate as Buddhist monks

The boys' were in the monastery, near Thailand's border with Myanmar, for 9 days in honour of Saman Gunan . During the [graduation] ceremony, the boys were seen wearing traditional orange robes and with their heads down at the temple near Thailand's mountainous border with Myanmar. The new monks' robes were then placed on a table in front of a photograph of Saman.
Afterwards, coach Ekapol 'Ake' Chanthawong [as seen above in robe] kept on his Buddhist robe, as he decided to an extended period in the monkhood. (BBM)
Thailand's rescued cave boys end stay at Buddhist temple
 
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The 11 boys were all smiles after the ceremony at the monastery in Thailand today. Prior to going into the Buddhish retreat, they all had their heads shaved as a mark of respect

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Pornchai Kamluang, right, a member of Wild Boars soccer team, walks with Buddhist monk, former soccer coach Ekkapol Chanthawong, after the completion of their serving as novice Buddhist monks

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Psychologists say the boys may be vulnerable to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), but both their physical and mental health has been judged fine

Thai cave boys graduate as Buddhist monks... but were they coerced into monastery? | Daily Mail Online
 
The boys, sporting buzz cuts and wearing yellow shirts, sat with their coach, Eakapol "Ek" Jantawong, 25, who was wearing a saffron monk's tunic, at the Wat Phra Doi Wao Temple in Mae Sai, Thailand.

"I would like to thank everybody. You all love me and I love everyone," said Adul. "I feel like people around the world are my parents."

Boys rescued from Thai cave 'overwhelmed' when divers first arrived
 
The boys, sporting buzz cuts and wearing yellow shirts, sat with their coach, Eakapol "Ek" Jantawong, 25, who was wearing a saffron monk's tunic, at the Wat Phra Doi Wao Temple in Mae Sai, Thailand.

"I would like to thank everybody. You all love me and I love everyone," said Adul. "I feel like people around the world are my parents."

Boys rescued from Thai cave 'overwhelmed' when divers first arrived

Awwww, that article's made me a bit emotional all over again! Little heroes, the lot of them.
 

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