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Just a quick question, hoping someone can answer. Has the Lindsey Baum case in McCleary, WA been checked out against IK's timeline?
I was thinking of them too. What a bizarre case that was.I still think of Shantina Smiley and her son, Azriel Carver (the 8 yr old son appeared to have drowned, and Shantina was never found)/
Apologies in advance for any etiquette or toes, I trip over, first foray here. I shared uncomfortably similar geography with Keyes and am familiar with how many different LE agencies and jurisdictions his victims might have been the responsibility of just in WA. I don't know if the tribal cops share databases with local pds. And given the vague or non-existent data on missing persons federal rangers seem unable to record, I wouldn't doubt you could lose quite a few accidents amongst all the jurisdictional authority flexing and sustained grudge matches. Just from Neah to Kingston there are Park Rangers, Coast Guard, Border Patrol, State Patrol, OP-Net, local pd, tribal pd, and Sheriffs. Running this many simultaneous vacuums of federal funding would make you think all the cracks a body could fall through would be covered, it actually creates more and I can easily see one not reporting to the rest when it was a simple accidental fishing (hiking, hunting, illegal tree cutting, etc) death.Hi all, new here!
Just a thought regarding this victim- just because IK said HE thinks it would look like an accident, doesn't mean that's actually how it looked. Remember, this is the guy that thought the Aledo, TX house fire he set wasn't suspected to be arson, when the police immediately knew it was, as well as not knowing that debit card transactions were tracible etc. (There were a few other incidents during the interviews where he was surprised at what investigators could do, know or find out, for example he didn't even realize that his prison phone calls were being recorded and listened to)
While I don't think we should rule out accidental death rulings that work with his timeline, especially those in national parks/forests etc, we should also be aware that what IK said and what reality is, are not always compatible.
Apologies in advance for any etiquette or toes, I trip over, first foray here. I shared uncomfortably similar geography with Keyes and am familiar with how many different LE agencies and jurisdictions his victims might have been the responsibility of just in WA. I don't know if the tribal cops share databases with local pds. And given the vague or non-existent data on missing persons federal rangers seem unable to record, I wouldn't doubt you could lose quite a few accidents amongst all the jurisdictional authority flexing and sustained grudge matches. Just from Neah to Kingston there are Park Rangers, Coast Guard, Border Patrol, State Patrol, OP-Net, local pd, tribal pd, and Sheriffs. Running this many simultaneous vacuums of federal funding would make you think all the cracks a body could fall through would be covered, it actually creates more and I can easily see one not reporting to the rest when it was a simple accidental fishing (hiking, hunting, illegal tree cutting, etc) death.
I am trying to gather some balls and get in touch with all the girls I took a trip to Ocean Shores with senior yr of highschool without sounding like an absolute nutjob. I am pretty certain he was one of the 15 guys from JBLM that crashed on the beach and extra beds of our rented house for the weekend. Regardless of the reliability my inebriated memory has for faces from 20 years ago, the guys from the base went on trips all over the coast on the weekends. Just a thought for anyone disregarding his time spent there as static.
You should give this info to the FBI, even if you feel silly doing it, it could be the one missing piece of a puzzle that could help solve a crime or even murders.
Documentation and references:
PDF: Israel Keyes suicide note
http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wls/documents/wls_081313_Israel Keyes_timeline.pdf
Israel Keyes : Federal Bureau of Investigation : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Alaska Corrections Report On Israel Keyes | PDF
Israel Keyes Part 01 of 08
FBI: Israel Keyes Timeline - PDFCOFFEE.COM
Episode 7: Israel Keyes
View attachment 330171
RPubs - Serial Killer Map: Israel Keyes
http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/13/08/Keyes Timeline.pdf
Docket for United States v. Keyes, 3:12-cr-00041 - CourtListener.com
[PDF] Download American Predator The Hunt for the Most Meticulous Serial Killer of the 21st Century ^#DOWNLOAD@PDF^#
http://real.mtak.hu/107807/1/Thepor...olaPolicjiwSzczytniePoliceAcademySzczytno.pdf
The last page of the timeline supports the person on the reservation as an IK victim: "Keyes indicated he committed only one murder in addition to Samantha Koenig in which the body was recovered. In this homicide, Keyes reported doing something to the victim’s body or moving the body to a location where, if found, it would appear as though the victim died from an accident. In this situation, the body was recovered and authorities ruled the death accidental."“She (tammie - Keyes ex) knows two people on the reservation that went missing while Keyes was living there. One was a man Keyes had had an argument with, only days later he was discovered from a “hiking accident” but he wasn’t known to ever go hiking. This is something she thought of years later in hindsight.” Source:
Keyes had so many countermeasures to try to avoid being placed in the area of his crimes, even that early on I highly doubt he would have committed a murder while on a trip with his friends.I listened to a few of the "True Crime BS" podcasts about IK. Josh speculated Kami Vollendroff & Eugene Hyatt are victims of IK.
"Kami and her boyfriend, Eugene Hyatt, were last seen at Boiler Bay State Park in Depoe Bay, Oregon on November 21, 2001." Kami Luella Vollendroff – The Charley Project
This was approximately a month after his daughter was born. Only mention this because of the huge life change he would be experiencing during this time. Maybe he needed to decompress and reconnect with some of his JBLM buddies for a coastal trip. <Speculation only>