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Early socialisation of sonny jim:
"Gabbinbar was a new school with teaching areas designed for innovative practices such as open-area teaching and with students drawn from a population which was more professionally oriented and with some students whose histories in their former schools suggested behavioural or social or psychological problems. Added to this was a school Principal who was passionate in his educational beliefs but who challenged more conservative principals less willing to be innovators." (Ken Imison)

I mention this as I was there too. He may have had some behavioural problem. School was free range. I completely understood Lord of the Flies what I read it after only 6 months at this school.

I got the hell out of there. G was there for years.
 
MadDoc said:
I have no idea about Wattle Day but based on my personal gardening experience and plant-geek tendencies, I would have thought wattles were in bloom closer to August 1 than September 1. I even remember seeing some wattles blossoming in July some years and remarking that it was a very, very, very early sign of spring.
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They do bloom closer to August 1. Apparently different states used to celebrate it at different times, from August to September but they made the National day September 1. It will always be August 1 to me and the country will be awash with yellow for it. It seems so right for Allison Day.
 
BJsleuth said:
They do bloom closer to August 1. Apparently different states used to celebrate it at different times, from August to September but they made the National day September 1. It will always be August 1 to me and the country will be awash with yellow for it. It seems so right for Allison Day.
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When I met up with the kids from that school when I got to high school, I swear each of the kids that went there were convinced they were special.
 
Amee said:
The Queensland Court of Appeal registry received the application about lunch time on Thursday.

According to documents filed by the defence to justify an appeal:

The verdict of murder was unreasonable.

A miscarriage of justice occurred because the jury should have been, but was not, directed that the presence of the deceased's blood in a motor vehicle was only relevant if the jury was satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that the presence of blood was attributable to an injury sustained to the deceased's body on the evening of 19 April 2012 or the morning of 20 April 2012.

The trial judge erred in law in not directing the jury that they needed to be satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that the appellant placed the body of the deceased at Kholo Creek in order to use such a finding as post-offence conduct going to guilt.

The trial judge erred in leaving to the jury that the appellant attempted to disguise marks on his face by making razor cuts.

http://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/baden-clay-appealing-his-murder-conviction/2321472/
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No, no, no........what was unreasonable was the way Gerard Baden Clay treated Allison, the way he ended her life, the way he disposed of her body, the lies he told to protect himself and the total disregard for leaving 3 little girls without a mother..... THAT was what was unreasonable!
 
I would be interested to know from Alioop what the process is for appealing? An appeal has been lodged - or is it an application for an appeal to be granted? meaning - just because they've lodged an application doesn't mean there will be an appeal? Meaning that the grounds for the appeal have to be accepted and then an appeal granted - so the application could be thrown out?

Would just like legal clarification on this, and it would be good to know what the details of the process are, who makes the decision, and the timeframe?
 
As soon as I heard that taxpayers won't be funding the appeal, I thought:- "I wonder if TM has been receiving phone calls/emails trying to convince her that a) G REALLY does love her and although it may have come across that he was throwing her under the bus during the trial, that wasn't the case - it was all his legal teams idea - it's all their fault, and b) that she can PROVE her love for G by funding his appeal, after all - she didn't defend him during the trial, and she owes it to him.
 
Opinionsgalore said:
As soon as I heard that taxpayers won't be funding the appeal, I thought:- "I wonder if TM has been receiving phone calls/emails trying to convince her that a) G REALLY does love her and although it may have come across that he was throwing her under the bus during the trial, that wasn't the case - it was all his legal teams idea - it's all their fault, and b) that she can PROVE her love for G by funding his appeal, after all - she didn't defend him during the trial, and she owes it to him.
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Onions
My understanding is that legal aid will fund this appeal, but an appeal to the High Court, not the appeal court of the Supreme Court , would not be funded. Alioop will know for sure.
 
itsthevibe said:
I would be interested to know from Alioop what the process is for appealing? An appeal has been lodged - or is it an application for an appeal to be granted? meaning - just because they've lodged an application doesn't mean there will be an appeal? Meaning that the grounds for the appeal have to be accepted and then an appeal granted - so the application could be thrown out?

Would just like legal clarification on this, and it would be good to know what the details of the process are, who makes the decision, and the timeframe?
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In the temporary absence of Alioop, this may explain the process:

[Court of Appeal
The Court of Appeal is a division of the Supreme Court and hears all appeals from the Supreme and District Courts, and many tribunals.

The court does not hear entire cases or have a jury, and deals only with the subject of the appeal. It is made up of three or five judges of the Supreme Court who consider the grounds of the appeal and make a judgment.

The judges listen to the arguments by the opposing sides and decide whether an error of law was made or some crucial fact was overlooked in the original hearing.

The Court of Appeal can:

dismiss the appeal and uphold the decision of a lower court or tribunal
allow the appeal, set aside the decision of the lower court and make a different order in its place.
If the appeal is dismissed, nothing changes. If the appeal is allowed, the judges can order a retrial or make a different order in its place.

http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/courts/court-of-appeal
 
Crime and punishment said:
The Waltons were definitely not 'passing the hat around' to their local congregation. I believe a letter was sent to some of their friends asking for donations. That certainly wasn't done as a blanket letter to the local congregation. They had a long standing association with Ashgrove Baptist prior to coming to Townsville. A number of cashed up people from there were approached- possibly who had supported I and O at other times. MOO.
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VERY distant family members were also approached to finance their boy I have heard

"Hi, we've never met but we are related soooo hows about a few dollars?"

MOO
 
So symbolic



National Wattle Day - why do we celebrate?
Wattle is our national floral emblem. It is a symbol that comes directly from our land;
Wattle is Australian and represents us all. Unlike other national days, National Wattle Day excludes no one;
Like our people, wattle has great diversity (with nearly 1.000 species) and resilience;
Wattle welcomes in the spring and is among the first plants to regenerate after fire, reminding us of the importance of renewal as it paints our national colours across our land; and
Wattle is a unifying symbol for all Australians. There is no other symbol that says so much about us and our land, Australia.
Wattle is a symbol of Australia and Australians.

BBM
http://wattleday.asn.au
 
Texx said:
VERY distant family members were also approached to finance their boy I have heard

"Hi, we've never met but we are related soooo hows about a few dollars?"

MOO
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Charming.
 
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