The Anthony Backyard *REVISITED*

[wendekm]

They said the hole was 1 foot long and 5 inches deep. That isn't nearly big enough to put an almost 3 year old child in. I wonder if she started digging and decided it was to much effort and stopped. Or realized she would be caught and stopped.

 

[cuppy199]

That is correct. Doggie no likee holee.

True But if KC was digging a hole like NG said and gave up on it because it was to much work then IMO Caylee would of never been laid there there fore no K9 hits.Not saying it was meant to be a grave but if it was and KC was digging she would have had to set the body else where until she was ready for it.KC never finished so thats why Caylee possible wasnt laid thereJust a thought

 

[Hot Dogs]

They said the hole was 1 foot long and 5 inches deep.

Welcome to WS. OCSD did not say it was a hole, and they did not say it was 12" long. That all comes from NG. It was officially described as disturbed soil that was 12" wide.

 

[debs]

Is there some reason that the obvious isn't being paid attention to? It was a yard in transition. They were doing work on the yard. Pavers, about the same dimension as is being discussed for this mysterious "hole" are all throughout the yard. I'll tell ya........when I built my patio, I went a lot deeper than 5" to set slate stones that weren't any thicker than 2". You dig down to set the stone. You dig down deeper to set a foundation of granite, then sand, then stone. Seems they may have thought a paver would look good there and then changed their minds. Mystery solved for me. Nothing nefarious!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Is there some reason that the obvious isn't being paid attention to? It was a yard in transition. They were doing work on the yard. Pavers, about the same dimension as is being discussed for this mysterious "hole" are all throughout the yard. I'll tell ya........when I built my patio, I went a lot deeper than 5" to set slate stones that weren't any thicker than 2". You dig down to set the stone. You dig down deeper to set a foundation of granite, then sand, then stone. Seems they may have thought a paver would look good there and then changed their minds. Mystery solved for me. Nothing nefarious!

If that were the case, why would George have mentioned it to the neighbor and to LE?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder what the size of the white cement block type pavers were that we saw in the field where they found Caylee? It just struck me that 12 inches exactly is rather odd for someone to randomly dig out.

Someone might put a cheaper paver under the corner of the pool box if it were unlevel without digging it out and setting it as you would one you would be walking on. (Not sure where this depression was located).

 

[ZubenElSchemali]

If I were to remove a Bamboo sucker, as I do Sassafras suckers etc, when young, I'd take ahold, pull, get tired of pulling when the root disturbed a foot or so of soil, then I'd make a stab or downward thrust with the shovel to cut it free. Removing a sucker makes perfect sense for explaining 12" of disturbed soil. I guess you'd have to be a gardener.

Also, if the hits were so sure with the dogs, both would have hit the same. They did find animal bones (maybe he was hungry) and George mentioned he'd bled in the yard, as I have many times. That would decompose as would urine when my little ones are too lazy to go indoors. (my big ones for that matter)

 

[azwriter]

To listen to CA with Greta following her around the yard, they were inconsistent. She did everything in her power to mislead. :furious:

DesSands, this is so true. I listened to the tape again and yes Cindy very clearly points and reports the hits were inconsistent. (at first I thought she said they were inconclusive) Later in the tape LE officials tell Greta the hits were conclusive.
Indeed during her backyard tour with Greta, Cindy tries to make it seem the dogs were wrong. Misleading? She does the same with the smell of pizza in the trunk, continuing to claim Casey was a caring and wonderful mother, glossing over Casey's lies about having a job (just because she lies doesn't mean she murdered her daughter) and claiming the Zanny the cops discovered is the wrong Zanny.
I call all of this a big cover-up by Cindy.
jmo

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

If that were the case, why would George have mentioned it to the neighbor and to LE?

ITA. I can't imagine George would have forgotten about wanting to lay a paver there or doing anything to the soil himself.

Do we know when he mentioned it to the neighbor?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

It was news to me that he mentioned it at all. I didn't hear any reference to a time.

He could have mentioned it because he knew it was missing and they were going to notice it. A bit of covering up perhaps? Pretend it is all a surprise there is a depression.

 

[MsMacGyver]

I think the fact that GA and CA admited at the beginning they had done some searching in the backyard tells us they suspected something bad had happened and that KC was involved. Also it was reported that the pool storage bin that was in the backyard had been moved closer to the pool sent my hinky meter off the charts. We all know CA has been reporting wrong information all the way through this investigation to protect KC and send the guilt in some other direction. Although at times it has been frustrating it's understandable that she would want to protect her daughter. Sooner or later the A's are going to have to accept the fact that their daughter did what she did. It's alot of reality to get your head around for anyone.

 

[debs]

I think the fact that GA and CA admited at the beginning they had done some searching in the backyard tells us they suspected something bad had happened and that KC was involved. Also it was reported that the pool storage bin that was in the backyard had been moved closer to the pool sent my hinky meter off the charts. We all know CA has been reporting wrong information all the way through this investigation to protect KC and send the guilt in some other direction. Although at times it has been frustrating it's understandable that she would want to protect her daughter. Sooner or later the A's are going to have to accept the fact that their daughter did what she did. It's alot of reality to get your head around for anyone.

It's almost as though she feels guilty that Casey is taking the fall for something, isn't it.

 

[Rumpole]

If there was a depression was there a mound of dirt around it? All I hear is a depression. That is like one shovel full. Ground has to be soft there, isn't it? not much effort put into digging.

The garden has a lot of cobbled paths and mulch and bark aeras. The disturnance in the ground behind the pool may have been little more that pushing bark chips about. At other spots LE found a plastic weed mat just below the surface. Not broken through. My guess is that KC tried a couple of places and came up against this plastic layer.

 

[Hot Dogs]

At other spots LE found a plastic weed mat just below the surface. Not broken through. My guess is that KC tried a couple of places and came up against this plastic layer.

IIRC, the docs call this a "weed barrier". No mention of it being plastic. This may indeed not be plastic, but instead is porous fiber sheeting. It's commonly used by gardeners and landscapers to prevent weed growth and still allow water to pass through. If solid plastic sheeting is used, rainwater can accumulate, and/or move the mulch around or even carry it off of the sheeting.

Anyway, IMO, if KC (or anyone) jammed a shovel into a weed barrier it could possibly show damage as either a distinct dent or a tear.

 

[Rumpole]

IIRC, the docs call this a "weed barrier". No mention of it being plastic. This may indeed not be plastic, but instead is porous fiber sheeting. It's commonly used by gardeners and landscapers to prevent weed growth and still allow water to pass through. If solid plastic sheeting is used, rainwater can accumulate, and/or move the mulch around or even carry it off of the sheeting.

Anyway, IMO, if KC (or anyone) jammed a shovel into a weed barrier it could possibly show damage as either a distinct dent or a tear.

I have PLASTIC weed mat myself. Its black plastic mesh. I never thought it would be plastic sheeting? That would be silly. I am not sure what the alternative to plastic would be? What are these fibres you describe made of then?

 

[Hot Dogs]

The barriers are generally polypropylene fiber, like a fabric. I thought you may have been thinking of solid poly sheet. Sorry.

But I would think that a shovel driven into this would leave a mark.

I'm trying to rationalize the scenario with no damage to the weed barrier. KC is ignorant of the barrier being there, or forgets, or doesn't care. She jams the shovel into the ground and is stopped by the barrier. Yet she does not damage this material upon discovering it? And she does this in multiple places with no damage?

 

[Rumpole]

The barriers are generally polypropylene fiber, like a fabric. I thought you may have been thinking of solid poly sheet. Sorry.

But I would think that a shovel driven into this would leave a mark.

I'm trying to rationalize the scenario with no damage to the weed barrier. KC is ignorant of the barrier being there, or forgets, or doesn't care. She jams the shovel into the ground and is stopped by the barrier. Yet she does not damage this material upon discovering it? And she does this in multiple places with no damage?

It's not important, but I imagine KC just pushing bark etc aside with the spade/shovel and seeing the plastic and giving up.

polypropylene is plastic.

 

[OneLostGrl]

It's almost as though she feels guilty that Casey is taking the fall for something, isn't it.

 

[Manny]

I did not say that!

G and C had a look around and found the "GIANT HUGE PIT dug in their back yard, so they reported it. I am no fan of the A's but in this case what more could they do.

Huge Pit,,, was this 12 inches or feet?
1 ft by 5 inches sounds like a plant removal.

 

[fortytwo]

I did not say that!

G and C had a look around and found the "GIANT HUGE PIT dug in their back yard, so they reported it. I am no fan of the A's but in this case what more could they do.

Huge Pit,,, was this 12 inches or feet?
1 ft by 5 inches sounds like a plant removal.

(bold above by me)

Well, sure, that's what the cops said.

But who are you gonna believe, them or NG?