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Eileen730 said:
But we do not know what happened to AJ. Or who is responsible.
All Wes s charges really have nothing to do with her death

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No, but since the time of that comment, we have discovered AJ's remains at an abandoned house in Franklin, where WH just happened to be working at the time of her disappearance, we have learned the details of the break in and the charges against WH in connection with that, we have learned that the jacket found at CF's house, the one tampered with and/or planted by WH, was in fact AJ Longwood jacket, etc. etc.

Again, my comment was intended to point out that a lot has changed since March 22. You may or may not agree with that, and that is certainly your prerogative. :)
 
Mountain_Kat said:
No, but since the time of that comment, we have discovered AJ's remains at an abandoned house in Franklin, where WH just happened to be working at the time of her disappearance, we have learned the details of the break in and the charges against WH in connection with that, we have learned that the jacket found at CF's house, the one tampered with and/or planted by WH, was in fact AJ Longwood jacket, etc. etc.

Again, my comment was intended to point out that a lot has changed since March 22. You may or may not agree with that, and that is certainly your prerogative. :)
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I sincerely am not sure if I missed something, as I have not been as involved as I usually am. Last I saw, there was a report from the mother who lived there that said the jacket was not AJs, but was the boy's girlfriend. Have the police released info that it was, in fact, AJs? Serious question.

EDIT: Ah! The info was from a VI here, post #367 (snipped and bolded by me):
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...quot-Hadsell-18-Norfolk-3-March-2015-7/page15

When I spoke to the kid's mom, she said the only jacket was his girlfriends jacket.
 
mpnola said:
I sincerely am not sure if I missed something, as I have not been as involved as I usually am. Last I saw, there was a report from the mother who lived there that said the jacket was not AJs, but was the boy's girlfriend. Have the police released info that it was, in fact, AJs? Serious question.

EDIT: Ah! The info was from a VI here, post #367 (snipped and bolded by me):
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...quot-Hadsell-18-Norfolk-3-March-2015-7/page15

When I spoke to the kid's mom, she said the only jacket was his girlfriends jacket.
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How many kids moms would be willing to believe that their child had anything to do with a missing young girl?

As such, and IMO, statements like that are automatically suspect.

Or in other words, consider the source and ask yourself if theres any bias.
 
mpnola said:
I sincerely am not sure if I missed something, as I have not been as involved as I usually am. Last I saw, there was a report from the mother who lived there that said the jacket was not AJs, but was the boy's girlfriend. Have the police released info that it was, in fact, AJs? Serious question.

EDIT: Ah! The info was from a VI here, post #367 (snipped and bolded by me):
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...quot-Hadsell-18-Norfolk-3-March-2015-7/page15

When I spoke to the kid's mom, she said the only jacket was his girlfriends jacket.
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I have addressed this issue of the jacket several times now.

(modsnip)

Having said all that, here are the links which I believe point to the fact that the jacket found at CF's home was, in fact, AJ's Longwood jacket:

(around the 40 second mark in the video) "According to witness testimony, Hadsell found AJ's Longwood University jacket stuffed behind a couch cushion..." http://www.13newsnow.com/story/news...-court-on-obstruction-other-charges/27109821/

" The witness said he went to the home, as Hadsell requested, saw the jacket, and returned to the Hadsell home 'angry, upset and scared' about what he had seen." http://wavy.com/2015/05/11/wesley-hadsell-obstruction-of-justice-case-to-be-continued/

" Hadsell said he broke in to do his own detective work and spent roughly 18 minutes inside the home. That’s where he says he found his daughter’s Longwood University club softball jacket with her name stitched on the front." http://wavy.com/2015/03/23/bond-denied-for-missing-teens-dad/

Wesley Hadsell says he "found" AJ's Longwood jacket at CF's home. AJ's friends, whom WH sent to the home to "discover" the jacket, testified in court that it was AJ's Longwood jacket.

I really don't know how much clearer this could possibly be. It was AJ's Longwood jacket. This was stated by witnesses, under oath, in a court of law. In my view, that trumps whatever discussion our VI had with the homeowner.
 
Eileen730 said:
But we do not know what happened to AJ. Or who is responsible.
All Wes s charges really have nothing to do with her death.

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BBM

No, but 4 of his charges have to do with impeding the investigation into AJ's disappearance, so it isn't accurate, imo, to try to portray them as completely unrelated.

Here is the legal definition of Obstruction Of Justice: Obstruction of justice is defined in the omnibus clause of 18 U.S.C. § 1503, which provides that "whoever . . . . corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be (guilty of an offense)." Persons are charged under this statute based on allegations that a defendant intended to intefere with an official proceeding, by doing things such as destroying evidence, or intefering with the duties of jurors or court officers.

A grand jury has indicted Wesley Hadsell on those charges. That means that the evidence against him is strong enough to be taken to trial. This is not merely a case of a father breaking into a home to do his own investigative work. This is a case of someone intentionally interfering with a criminal investigation into the disappearance of a missing person...of intentionally tampering with evidence, and intentionally threatening witnesses. And every one of those charges are directly related to AJ's disappearance.

That is not opinion, that is fact.
http://www.13newsnow.com/story/news...-court-on-obstruction-other-charges/27109821/
 
http://wavy.com/2015/05/11/wesley-hadsell-obstruction-of-justice-case-to-be-continued/

BBM:
The witness said he went to the home, as Hadsell requested, saw the jacket, and returned to the Hadsell home “angry, upset and scared” about what he had seen. At that point, someone at the Hadsell home called police about the jacket, but the witness said he did not tell detectives the whole story about what he found.

The witness said he did not tell police the whole story about the jacket until March 20.



So, these events regarding the jacket happened March 5 and/or March 6 BUT "the witness said he did not tell police the whole story about the jacket until March 20"?? But yet, we are expected to believe Wesley is the only person responsible for anything to do with "the jacket"?
 
http://wavy.com/2015/05/11/wesley-hadsell-obstruction-of-justice-case-to-be-continued/
BBM:
In court Monday, a judge dismissed the animal cruelty and the breaking and entering charges. Hadsell’s lawyer argued he did not have an intent to commit a crime when he broke into the home, and the judge agreed. The judge also agreed there was not sufficient evidence of Hadsell hitting the dog.


Another example of we can't believe much of what Wesley says. There was lots of discussion about "the dog" issue, all because he claimed to have punched the dog, but yet "the judge also agreed there was not sufficient evidence of Hadsell hitting the dog" and therefore the charges were dismissed.

Also, how are we so sure that the burglary charge that Wesley now has is directly related to his entering the house where CF lived? Is it possible it could be related to entering a home somewhere else? Just trying to keep an open mind here and not consider something as fact when it has not been stated as such. If it has been stated somewhere that the burglary charge is directly related to the house where CF lived, can somebody please enlighten me on that information?

 
NWLady said:
http://wavy.com/2015/05/11/wesley-hadsell-obstruction-of-justice-case-to-be-continued/

BBM:
The witness said he went to the home, as Hadsell requested, saw the jacket, and returned to the Hadsell home “angry, upset and scared” about what he had seen. At that point, someone at the Hadsell home called police about the jacket, but the witness said he did not tell detectives the whole story about what he found.

The witness said he did not tell police the whole story about the jacket until March 20.



So, these events regarding the jacket happened March 5 and/or March 6 BUT "the witness said he did not tell police the whole story about the jacket until March 20"?? But yet, we are expected to believe Wesley is the only person responsible for anything to do with "the jacket"?
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I don't think there's any dispute that the 4 friends of AJ's covered up the details of the finding of the jacket. That is the basis for the Obstruction Of Justice charges against WH.
 
Mountain_Kat said:
I don't think there's any dispute that the 4 friends of AJ's covered up the details of the finding of the jacket. That is the basis for the Obstruction Of Justice charges against WH.
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I'm not following along on your thoughts, Mountain Kat. If the 4 friends of AJ's covering up the details of the finding of the jacket and that is the basis for the Obstruction of Justice charges against WH, then why if the 4 friends covered up the details, would that not be Obstruction of Justice also on their behalf? I must be missing something? TIA
 
Oh, I think I just figured it out - the 4 friends were scared and felt threatened by Wesley so they allegedly withheld details of the jacket and didn't come forth with the truth until approximately 14-15 days later? I bet that's it. They were scared. Okay then.
 
NWLady said:
Oh, I think I just figured it out - the 4 friends were scared and felt threatened by Wesley so they allegedly withheld details of the jacket and didn't come forth with the truth until approximately 14-15 days later? I bet that's it. They were scared. Okay then.
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Well, he was in the Aryan Brotherhood, NW. ;)

But seriously, my take is exactly what you've said here. I think it began to dawn on these 4 that WH might really have killed AJ at this point. I know that would scare the living crap out of me.
 
NWLady said:
I'm not following along on your thoughts, Mountain Kat. If the 4 friends of AJ's covering up the details of the finding of the jacket and that is the basis for the Obstruction of Justice charges against WH, then why if the 4 friends covered up the details, would that not be Obstruction of Justice also on their behalf? I must be missing something? TIA
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Maybe the cops made a deal with them to dismiss their charges if they agreed to testify against WH for the threats that if anyone told LE about the jacket and him going into the house they would be dealt with. Obviously at least one of the friends that made the call and lied to LH should have been charged.
 
Mountain_Kat said:
Well, he was in the Aryan Brotherhood, NW. ;)

But seriously, my take is exactly what you've said here. I think it began to dawn on these 4 that WH might really have killed AJ at this point. I know that would scare the living crap out of me.
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Yeah me too and enough that I wouldn't be living or be anywhere near that house now but it seems the opposite is true.
 
JH wouldn't have to testify against WH for the jacket info because they are married, right?
 
They are still legally married, so she cannot be compelled to testify. She can volunteer, but cannot be forced to do so.
 
So if she was one of the 4 witnesses that was intimidated she wouldn't have to testify to that if she didn't want to.
 
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