The Case of JonBenet Ramsey-CBS Sept. 18 # 2

[PositiveLight]

This speaks to the kind of deception that was normal for Patsy. Instead of facing the dog's problems head-on, (we don't know if he was just a bad puppy-mill puppy, or if Burke had kicked him or something else) and teaching her children about death, she just takes him to the vet for disposal and brings home another dog. I'm sure if she'd been able to replace JBR in the same way, she'd have done so. After all, the one she had before was broken (lying cold and stiff under the Christmas tree) and family life had to go on....

BAM! Well said.

 

[PositiveLight]

Google "the kiss of death" and patricia paugh/patricia ramsey...

Interestingly enough, PR wrote a drama monologue entitled "The Kiss of Death" and presented in during the televised Miss America pageant in which she represented WV... She won a scholarship (according to her own police interview) for the talent portion.

In a 2000 interview transcript w Katie Couric to promote their book, DOI, JR states "that fact was probably the KISS OF DEATH to police."

At the end of this very loooooong interview (which I think must have been in nightly installments or something) Couric asks the Ramseys if they think that this case will ever be solved. JR states something to the effect that yes, it will probably be solved by people who will "LISTEN and THINK" ...
I feel like there are MANY Freudian slips, along with deliberate phrases and statements mentioned by JR in interviews through the years that "clue" you in to what might have happened.

Any thoughts?

My first thought? Well done! This is an awesome nugget of info! Is there a link where we can watch the interview possibly?? I'd love to add it to my growing list of their interviews! :tyou:

 

[scandinavian girl]

Not quite sure but if I was to guess, I think it may have been the second one. Didn't he live with them for the rest of his life after the Ramsey's moved?
I have to wonder now, if the whole reason that Jacques went to live with the neighbors was due to Burke. MOO

That was my initial thought and it was the first time I heard they had a dog (or 2). When I saw BR´s odd behaviour I said to myself, thank goodness they didn´t have any pets, it also reminded me when I saw that picture with Burke and the kitten it gave me the creeps and I honestly thought he was doing something to it but I can be wrong because cats are cats and they usually don¨t like cameras.

MOO

 

[PositiveLight]

I would recommend those serious sleuthers listen to the Peter Boyles interview. A huge thanks to the poster of this info. Google it or look back for the URL. Maybe we need to be working on the timeline for organizing the Ramsey defense building. Sure would like to see those initial Ramsey phone records.

http://peterboyles.podbean.com/e/peter-boyles-show-dec-18-2014-hr-3
http://peterboyles.podbean.com/e/peter-boyles-show-dec-18-2014-hr-4/
http://www.westword.com/news/jonben...ailed-and-why-it-still-matters-6053856#page-2

 

[WhoKnowsWhat]

I think another tell in this case that it was not an intruder is the pocket knife of BR that the housekeeper hid from him in a cupboard on the second level of the Ramsey home. That pocket knife was found near JBR's body in the basement. ?Possibly used to cut the nylon cord used for the garrote. So who found & removed the pocket knife from its hidden spot in the cupboard?

I think Patsy would take the knife and give it back to Burke. She wouldn't care that he whittled and left shavings all over the house.

 

[Tortoise]

Just wanted to gather your thoughts.

If most think BR as a 9yr old kid showed inappropriate responses for a newly bereaved brother in his interviews, possibly betraying signs of sociopathy/psychopathy, a child who most likely had harboured natural resentment and jealousy towards his sister for 6 years (zero defence of him intended), I'm interested to hear what people think about Patsy, being able to detach from the grief of the ending of the life of her 6 year old daughter, to plot and write a long rambling ransom note containing elements of dark humour, allowing her mind to be creative and imaginative, and then being able to spend a day in the company of friends betraying no signs of grief for 7 whole hours, from 6am to 1pm. I don't think I could delay my grief upon losing one of my children if I wanted to.

The diamonds and mink for CNN does nothing to erase this picture either.

 

[TeaTime]

Wait....sorry I know this is known info but I just had a laugh when I realized PR grew up as Patsy Paugh (Patsy pooh).....what a terrible name! It sounds more like a doll from the 50's that would wet itself.

Haha! But FWIW, FW pronounced the name 'Pa" but I knew one of the relatives and she told me is was pronounced "Bourg" because the name is German and the 'Pau" is sounded "BOR" and the H is silent.

 

[TeaTime]

FW said, in the Boyles interview, that he doesn't know when the Ramseys contacted an attorney or an attorney contacted them but that the was meeting with Bynum at his office by 3pm on 12/27. I think it is fair to say that the first attorney contact was before 3pm. I have heard/read that it was within less than 24 hours of finding the body, so this fits.

 

[Thisisbull]

http://peterboyles.podbean.com/e/peter-boyles-show-dec-18-2014-hr-4/

This should be the link for Priscilla and Fleet on the radio. It was quite long I want to say a couple hours. Also has spoof songs about the Ramseys to other popular tunes by an incredible singer.

Still till so far behind((((I llike to read everything and ponder about them for awhile when you all awesome ppl post links..))). But hmmm...the comments on this link are very interesting. Thank you!

 

[ThinkHard]

Still till so far behind((((I llike to read everything and ponder about them for awhile when you all awesome ppl post links..))). But hmmm...the comments on this link are very interesting. Thank you!

Is there a place I can look to better understand how everyone was related to each other or connected....I would like to be more familiar with that, thanks!

 

[MaryMac250]

http://peterboyles.podbean.com/e/peter-boyles-show-dec-18-2014-hr-3
http://peterboyles.podbean.com/e/peter-boyles-show-dec-18-2014-hr-4/
http://www.westword.com/news/jonben...ailed-and-why-it-still-matters-6053856#page-2

Thanks so much. So, according to the third article, Fleet was contacted by Bynum on 12/26,and talked to police first on 12/27, before Ramsey lawyers. Ok, stand corrected on the second point, although will review interview again.

So, Mike Bynum "family friend" of the Ramseys....no mention of his DA connection though. All due respect, all you linguistic/textual dissecters here...not one word about this?

Also, anyone know what Colorado law is on Court of Inquiry?

 

[andreww]

It's funny how RDI always chooses a dead person whose DNA can't be tested. The thing is, if there was an intruder there that night, the most likely candidate is/was Gary Oliva. By far. Yet I take it his DNA didn't match the DNA that's basically the only evidence of an intruder, correct?

The old reliable "DNA did not match" excuse. Mary Lacy exonerated John Mark Karr on the basis that his DNA did not match, and she never failed to mention that. Truth is, police cleared Karr based on evidence within a few hours of him being arrested. Now you tell me, if everything but the DNA pointed to Karr, would they have let him go? I doubt it.

 

[MaryMac250]

FW said, in the Boyles interview, that he doesn't know when the Ramseys contacted an attorney or an attorney contacted them but that the was meeting with Bynum at his office by 3pm on 12/27. I think it is fair to say that the first attorney contact was before 3pm. I have heard/read that it was within less than 24 hours of finding the body, so this fits.

Yes, darlin. His wife said Mike Bynum contacted Fleet on 12/26. I am going to listen to that portion of the interview again. Also, It was my impression that the lawyers were in Bynum's office when Fleet met with them.

 

[ThinkHard]

Thanks so much. So, according to the third article, Fleet was contacted by Bynum on 12/26,and talked to police first on 12/27, before Ramsey lawyers. Ok, stand corrected on the second point, although will review interview again.

So, Mike Bynum "family friend" of the Ramseys....no mention of his DA connection though. All due respect, all you linguistic/textual dissecters here...not one word about this?

Also, anyone know what Colorado law is on Court of Inquiry?

IN the third link shared, I couldn't help but notice this:

"Around one in the afternoon, Boulder police detective Linda Arndt suggested that Fleet take John Ramsey around the house to see if they'd missed anything -- probably just to give the anxious father something to do. After inspecting several rooms in the basement, Ramsey headed toward a storage room known as the wine cellar. It was a door Fleet had opened on his earlier tour, but he hadn't found a light switch and hadn't gone inside. Moving a few feet and seconds ahead of Fleet, Ramsey opened the door and snapped on the light.

"Oh, my God," he said. "Oh, my God.""

Perhaps the only reason Jon "found" the body that morning was because FW was with him, and you can't pretend to be thorough or pretend you didn't see anything, when someone else is right there with you.

 

[ThinkHard]

I just wonder so many things when I look at this photo.

 

[RL2]

Just wanted to gather your thoughts.

If most think BR as a 9yr old kid showed inappropriate responses for a newly bereaved brother in his interviews, possibly betraying signs of sociopathy/psychopathy, a child who most likely had harboured natural resentment and jealousy towards his sister for 6 years (zero defence of him intended), I'm interested to hear what people think about Patsy, being able to detach from the grief of the ending of the life of her 6 year old daughter, to plot and write a long rambling ransom note containing elements of dark humour, allowing her mind to be creative and imaginative, and then being able to spend a day in the company of friends betraying no signs of grief for 7 whole hours, from 6am to 1pm. I don't think I could delay my grief upon losing one of my children if I wanted to.

The diamonds and mink for CNN does nothing to erase this picture either.

I think Patsy was vain and mentally ill.. I do not think that we'll ever know all of the details of this case.... But, my gut still tells me PR did this, not Burke.

 

[MaryMac250]

The old reliable "DNA did not match" excuse. Mary Lacy exonerated John Mark Karr on the basis that his DNA did not match, and she never failed to mention that. Truth is, police cleared Karr based on evidence within a few hours of him being arrested. Now you tell me, if everything but the DNA pointed to Karr, would they have let him go? I doubt it.

I believe it was established that he was not even in Boulder at the time of the murder. Again, thank you to Positive Light for posting links to the Peter Boyles interview AND the Alan Prendergast article. You all will benefit by listening and reading.

 

[ThinkHard]

I think Patsy was vain and mentally ill.. I do not think that we'll ever know all of the details of this case.... But, my gut still tells me PR did this, not Burke.

And you think Burke wasn't mentally ill?

The thing is, what would PR have to gain from killing her daughter? Was she THAT desperate for the limelight?

If it was an accident, why not stage it differently? Why so gruesome?

 

[MaryMac250]

IN the third link shared, I couldn't help but notice this:

"Around one in the afternoon, Boulder police detective Linda Arndt suggested that Fleet take John Ramsey around the house to see if they'd missed anything -- probably just to give the anxious father something to do. After inspecting several rooms in the basement, Ramsey headed toward a storage room known as the wine cellar. It was a door Fleet had opened on his earlier tour, but he hadn't found a light switch and hadn't gone inside. Moving a few feet and seconds ahead of Fleet, Ramsey opened the door and snapped on the light.

"Oh, my God," he said. "Oh, my God.""

Perhaps the only reason Jon "found" the body that morning was because FW was with him, and you can't pretend to be thorough or pretend you didn't see anything, when someone else is right there with you.

As I was reading your thoughts here, it made me think about the WC door. The top of the door secured by that rotating block of wood. If we assume Burke placed the body there, would he have been able to reach that? I don't think so. Someone taller, most likely an adult could easily do that.

 

[johnjay]

As I was reading your thoughts here, it made me think about the WC door. The top of the door secured by that rotating block of wood. If we assume Burke placed the body there, would he have been able to reach that? I don't think so. Someone taller, most likely an adult could easily do that.

As I recall there was a chair nearby - not that I think Burke put the body there, but I think he could get into that room anytime he wanted to.