The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 18th June - Trial Day 6, Week 2

[Mrs G Norris]

TM is the kind of woman who would have made sure Allison knew that she and Gerrid had resumed the affair if you ask me, accidentally of course .. you know, like by accidentally confiding in someone who worked in the industry or knew Allison or similar .. same way she did it last time.

 

[louisepiglet]

Text copied from bail hearing docs...

On the morning of Saturday, 21 April 2012, the defendant attended a doctor at a Kenmore Medical Practice. At this time the defendant told the treating medical practitioner that he had been requested by police to attend the doctor and to have his injuries documented. He further requested a copy of his notes, stating that he would give them to police. Police did not request the defendant to do this and were unaware at that stage that the defendant had seen a medical practitioner. Later that day, the defendant attended a second medical practice in Taringa and again had his injuries documented. Medical opinion is that the marks to the defendant's face are unusual and unlikely to have been caused by shaving.

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Wasn't his wife still missing at this stage?

 

[marlywings]

I think some intrigue is coming ... Why makeup and moisturisers?

Hmmm...was he into wearing makeup that day as an attempt to cover scratches??

 

[Humdinger]

Wasn't his wife still missing at this stage?

Yes she was.

 

[marlywings]

Wasn't his wife still missing at this stage?

Yes. Her body wasn't found until April,30th.

 

[louisepiglet]

I think we may hear more about the boots...

Affidavit of Constable Kellie Thomson:

I located a pair of Adidas running shoes, a pair of brown leather sandals, a pair of Asics size 10 1/2 shoes covered in mud, Puma boots in shoe box, in the bedroom cupboard of Allison and Gerard's.

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I wonder if they asked the girls what shoes he had on with his pjs the night before.

 

[Oddsocks]

While we're still on nail scratches, something else I've been thinking about (and apologies in advance for disturbing autopsy details...)

The autopsy said A's fingernails on right hand had fallen off and were found loose inside the jumper sleeve, but not those on left. Why?

Obviously it's from decomposition, but why only that side? Going back to what we know about injured tissue decomposing faster than normal...

Were the (R) hand nails pulled loose a bit and the nail bed damaged by scratching hard earlier? (just like when you catch a long nail and it bends back and rips the tissue under the nail, +/- bleeding?)

I think she was found lying on her right side (maybe) so decomposition happened faster where she was in contact with the ground. Don't quote me on that though.

 

[Freya1977]

I tend to agree, because your hair and nails actually keep growing for awhile after you have passed away, so nail beds and hair roots are rather sophisticated things ...

That's actually a myth - they only appear to grow as the skin retracts, that's why they can appear longer in exhumed bodies...

 

[possumheart]

Hmmm...was he into wearing makeup that day as an attempt to cover scratches??

They look for the makeup and moisturisers two weeks after Al's body had been found. Hmmm.

 

[bearbear]

Also, both Olivia and GBC also felt it important to emphasize that Allison didn't drive, which appeared to be collusion between them. Because we later learn Allison did drive the children to school etc.

was all this emphasis on allison not driving to fit in with the suicide scenario, as explanation why her car wasnt found at the bridge, she walked there and jumped off?

 

[toe]

The lady called Gerard to find out where Allison was and why she hadn't arrived to meet her yet.

Strange, she would have been one of the first I would have called.

 

[possumheart]

That's actually a myth - they only appear to grow as the skin retracts, that's why they can appear longer in exhumed bodies...

A layer of tissue beneath the base of the nail called the germinal matrix is responsible for producing the vast majority of the cells which form the newest-growing part of the fingernail. The new cells push the older ones forwards, making the nail appear to lengthen from the tip. Death puts a stop to the supply of glucose, and therefore to fingernail growth.

OK, then, I apologise for that

 

[marlywings]

I think she was found lying on her right side (maybe) so decomposition happened faster where she was in contact with the ground. Don't quote me on that though.

Yes her right side...

Text copied from Autopsy report...

I also received images of the death scene from Police. These show that the body had been lying on the right side.

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[Smegal]

Does anyone else think it is strange that GBC didn't ring his in laws before the police. They may have talked to her and knew where she was. I know my husband has rung my parents before, looking for me, when my phone is flat or I have left it at home.

Very strange, and also that he didn't call any friends or neighbours.

 

[itsthevibe]

While we're still on nail scratches, something else I've been thinking about (and apologies in advance for disturbing autopsy details...)

The autopsy said A's fingernails on right hand had fallen off and were found loose inside the jumper sleeve, but not those on left. Why?

Obviously it's from decomposition, but why only that side? Going back to what we know about injured tissue decomposing faster than normal...

Were the (R) hand nails pulled loose a bit and the nail bed damaged by scratching hard earlier? (just like when you catch a long nail and it bends back and rips the tissue under the nail, +/- bleeding?)

Possibly, but I wonder if it was to do with water immersion and decomposition. It was reported that parts of her body were mummified due to being mainly dry, and parts were decomposing more due to being in longer contact with water. Maybe the hand that the nails came off was in moister conditions, not sure of positioning but something to do with rising water lapping over one of the hands as she was on her side? Or remaining more moist because of being inside jumper sleeve which stayed wetter from the rain.

 

[Tishy]

Strange, she would have been one of the first I would have called.

Exactly: if only to check that Allison had not left early or been picked up already.
More holes in the story than a CWA sponge cake

 

[Freya1977]

OK, then, I apologise for that

Oh no need to apologise Possum! I wasn't exactly correct in my explainaton either - that's really interesting what you quoted there.....I thought it was just the skin drying and shrinking around the fingertips - looks like it's a more complex process than I thought!

Creepy though, isn't it?

 

[Minerva]

was all this emphasis on allison not driving to fit in with the suicide scenario, as explanation why her car wasnt found at the bridge, she walked there and jumped off?

My impression was that it was just another brushstroke in the "Allison was incompetent and Geraaahhhrrrd was such a prince" portrait they were attempting to paint.

 

[Amee]

Mr Davis tendered a report to the court on a sampling of wheel arches of the Holden Captiva and clothing of Baden-Clay, including a pair of shoes, which showed no matches with soil samples taken from Kholo Creek.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...re-supreme-court/story-e6freoof-1226536987434

 

[Forensics]

I tend to agree, because your hair and nails actually keep growing for awhile after you have passed away, so nail beds and hair roots are rather sophisticated things ...

I don't think you hair and nails continue growing, I believe it to be a myth. What actually happens is the skin around them shrinks as it becomes dehydrated, making them appear longer. Different decomposition rates also can be attributed to the position of the body.

Not an expert on this but I am pretty sure I am correct.

Sorry I didn't know Freya1977 had replied earlier...my apologies..