Theonly1
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Websleuthers,
I have been re-reading all the depositions and interviews posted on FFJ. What an eye-opener. They are really worth discussing in depth so I started a thread for them all.
Some opening thoughts. Wow. The 2000 PR interview was crazy or cray-cray. The Chief apparently agreed that only certain avenues would be gone into regarding issues that had come up since the previous interview (years prior). The attorney for PR, in my opinion, took the letter / the opening salvo / prelude to talk as word for word. In my opinion, PRs attorney WANTED the questions asked but also did not want her to answer most of them, for each of his lengthy solliloquies each objection. At first, as I recall they were discussing new suspects or new info so that went reasonably okay. But the minute anything that COULD have been asked before was asked it was like two pitbulls were put in a ring. I have been a paralegal. I have been to law school and used to reading depos. Those interviews were off the chain. At least two attorneys would be engaged in god knows how long p*ssing contests at each objection. Especially over inane things like what PATSY wrote in their book. Like, why does she have to see each page before she can respond? Did she not write the book? The amnesia! It was like unless Patsy could have her memory refreshed by her counsel making the questioner show her anything she was usually not allowed to answer. Some of it was pure piffle! Let her answer the G-darn question. So...that was a real eye-opener about what all they were freaking out about. You can read between the lines.
Yes, police are allowed to lie to witnesses to get them to confess, etc. BUT in this case, they would say "the pineapple matched the rind on the counter" (for example - not exact) Can you explain why or when she may have eaten it? Instead of the standard, "I do not know" her attorney, in my opinion, would have a fit, parse words and demand to see the report. Each.and.every.time.
They were salivating for reports, clearly to me. The DA and whoever were in the room with the Chief (because by this time the Ramseys were getting it their way) would get so frustrated. They had to "take 5" I do not know how many times? 7? After a battle. And PRs attorney wanted the questions asked, in my opinion, so he could ferret out what they knew. For instance, the police kept asking PR if she painted while wearing the coat. One could draw the inference that paint flecks were later found on the coat. They slap out told her atty at one point that her coat fibers were on JBR, on the duct tape, in the paint tray, in the garrote etc. The attorney, without seeing fiber reports would not let her answer at all. AND he said even IF they gave reports over she still may not answer. The interview was halte because they were like, you are objecting to everything. Instead of saying, "okay, we are done," her attorney was BEGGING for the other questions. I mean, read it.
On the Arndt depo, my eyes got as big as hers. Man, I think she did get screwed but the chances of her proving it seemed slim. She flat out said JR molested JBR. Flat out. She also talked about "incest" and it be a family affair! Seemingly, she had no bone to pick with the Ramseys, her bone was against her bosses and them not sticking up for her, clearing her name, and doing all kinds of marginalizing of her. Her case did not seem provable by the depo alone but she did a lot of bean-spilling. She said so much bs had been put out there. That she was NOT close to Patsy, fyi. She also said she believed JR killed JBR.
The John Ramsey depos were no less interesting. Both Ramseys act in the beginning as they can think of no one in the world who woukd hurt JBR but once the screws get out to them then they throw out names like crazy, in my opinion. It is sick.
Oh yeah, and allegedly according to the GJ testimony as recounted in the depos, BR said he owned the Hi-techs. The were boots with compasses on them. Patsy vehemently denied knowing anyyyyyyyyything about it. Also, back to Patsy's later depo, she did not know *advertiser censored* about *advertiser censored* about their own investigations or anything. Anything that seemed like it logically should be known she would throw on John or her attorneys. Apparently, their gang wanted to do a presentation like an intruder thing and since they could not then she never bothered to hear what was going to be said. Huh? I mean, reading those depos is just like SHE MOVED ON. No curiousity about the case, what you are paying people allegedly a lot of money to investigate? I mean, LOL.
Anyway, early take aways:
Arndt says JR molest and killed.
Burke allegedly said the Hi-tecs were his.
There may have also been paint traces on PRs jacket.
Oh, and PR got a big case of amnesia about the Bloomies. Said the pack was in JBRs drawer. Tried to act like she could fit into them and as long as panties "not around her ankles" it was okay!
I have been re-reading all the depositions and interviews posted on FFJ. What an eye-opener. They are really worth discussing in depth so I started a thread for them all.
Some opening thoughts. Wow. The 2000 PR interview was crazy or cray-cray. The Chief apparently agreed that only certain avenues would be gone into regarding issues that had come up since the previous interview (years prior). The attorney for PR, in my opinion, took the letter / the opening salvo / prelude to talk as word for word. In my opinion, PRs attorney WANTED the questions asked but also did not want her to answer most of them, for each of his lengthy solliloquies each objection. At first, as I recall they were discussing new suspects or new info so that went reasonably okay. But the minute anything that COULD have been asked before was asked it was like two pitbulls were put in a ring. I have been a paralegal. I have been to law school and used to reading depos. Those interviews were off the chain. At least two attorneys would be engaged in god knows how long p*ssing contests at each objection. Especially over inane things like what PATSY wrote in their book. Like, why does she have to see each page before she can respond? Did she not write the book? The amnesia! It was like unless Patsy could have her memory refreshed by her counsel making the questioner show her anything she was usually not allowed to answer. Some of it was pure piffle! Let her answer the G-darn question. So...that was a real eye-opener about what all they were freaking out about. You can read between the lines.
Yes, police are allowed to lie to witnesses to get them to confess, etc. BUT in this case, they would say "the pineapple matched the rind on the counter" (for example - not exact) Can you explain why or when she may have eaten it? Instead of the standard, "I do not know" her attorney, in my opinion, would have a fit, parse words and demand to see the report. Each.and.every.time.
They were salivating for reports, clearly to me. The DA and whoever were in the room with the Chief (because by this time the Ramseys were getting it their way) would get so frustrated. They had to "take 5" I do not know how many times? 7? After a battle. And PRs attorney wanted the questions asked, in my opinion, so he could ferret out what they knew. For instance, the police kept asking PR if she painted while wearing the coat. One could draw the inference that paint flecks were later found on the coat. They slap out told her atty at one point that her coat fibers were on JBR, on the duct tape, in the paint tray, in the garrote etc. The attorney, without seeing fiber reports would not let her answer at all. AND he said even IF they gave reports over she still may not answer. The interview was halte because they were like, you are objecting to everything. Instead of saying, "okay, we are done," her attorney was BEGGING for the other questions. I mean, read it.
On the Arndt depo, my eyes got as big as hers. Man, I think she did get screwed but the chances of her proving it seemed slim. She flat out said JR molested JBR. Flat out. She also talked about "incest" and it be a family affair! Seemingly, she had no bone to pick with the Ramseys, her bone was against her bosses and them not sticking up for her, clearing her name, and doing all kinds of marginalizing of her. Her case did not seem provable by the depo alone but she did a lot of bean-spilling. She said so much bs had been put out there. That she was NOT close to Patsy, fyi. She also said she believed JR killed JBR.
The John Ramsey depos were no less interesting. Both Ramseys act in the beginning as they can think of no one in the world who woukd hurt JBR but once the screws get out to them then they throw out names like crazy, in my opinion. It is sick.
Oh yeah, and allegedly according to the GJ testimony as recounted in the depos, BR said he owned the Hi-techs. The were boots with compasses on them. Patsy vehemently denied knowing anyyyyyyyyything about it. Also, back to Patsy's later depo, she did not know *advertiser censored* about *advertiser censored* about their own investigations or anything. Anything that seemed like it logically should be known she would throw on John or her attorneys. Apparently, their gang wanted to do a presentation like an intruder thing and since they could not then she never bothered to hear what was going to be said. Huh? I mean, reading those depos is just like SHE MOVED ON. No curiousity about the case, what you are paying people allegedly a lot of money to investigate? I mean, LOL.
Anyway, early take aways:
Arndt says JR molest and killed.
Burke allegedly said the Hi-tecs were his.
There may have also been paint traces on PRs jacket.
Oh, and PR got a big case of amnesia about the Bloomies. Said the pack was in JBRs drawer. Tried to act like she could fit into them and as long as panties "not around her ankles" it was okay!