The Dogs

[creepingskills]

Well, I would think so too.
If he is a guilty man, why bring more attention to yourself in the worse possible way?

IF the dogs are being abused (even if that abuse is being left alone) it needs to be addressed.
Where is the dog walker?

Why not have someone look after the situation instead of having everyone going nuts on you?

Exactly! Why not save yourself from having to drive in circles honking at reporters? The failure to provide for the dogs is more embarrassing than the failed attempt to scare off reporters by HONKING.:facepalm::notgood::hand:

 

[SeesSeas]

IMO, LE knows where MS is living and that would not be the home on Jarvis, where he left the dogs. I'm assuming MS leaves them inside? So that in itself is cruel, dogs need exercise and fresh air. I'm trying not to think of the worst, but what if the dogs are crated most of the time or gated off in a tiny area of the home? If so, their "area" would probably be covered in their own waste. I think this is a special situation because neighbors know these dogs, know that they aren't loud barkers and yet now the dogs are barking, they're not being let out and people are reporting it to LE; media.

I’ve read mention of just occasional barking by the dogs. Heck, my dog barks occasionally and he’s rarely left alone.
I’m guessing that MS’s home has a doggie door so that the dogs get exercise and fresh air in the big fenced back yard.
They are likely trained so they know to “go” in the back yard after exiting the doggie door.
Inside the home, the dogs probably have their own area that they are accustomed to relaxing. Dogs do sleep a lot of hours during the day, especially larger dogs.
Also, many people have automatic dog feeders and automatic water dispensers in their homes for their dogs.

 

[1soccermom22]

I understand different people have different views on pets but why would MS leave the dogs alone for months? Maybe, and this is a far out stab in the dark here, he was at the scene when TS was murdered and the dogs are aggressive with him? I know it sounds ridiculous, but with the dogs dna testing and him looking like a twin to CWW, the "avalanche" of evidence (could possibly mean that there was too much evidence, as in, if someone were trying to frame someone else). Movies and books will be made...

 

[creepingskills]

I’ve read mention of just occasional barking by the dogs. Heck, my dog barks occasionally and he’s rarely left alone.
I’m guessing that MS’s home has a doggie door so that the dogs get exercise and fresh air in the big fenced back yard.
They are likely trained so they know to “go” in the back yard after exiting the doggie door.
Inside the home, the dogs probably have their own area that they are accustomed to relaxing. Dogs do sleep a lot of hours during the day, especially larger dogs.
Also, many people have automatic dog feeders and automatic water dispensers in their homes for their dogs.

Agree with everything above, except I'm not so sure they probably have a doggie door. Those are fairly big dogs, and I'm not sure the family would want such a big opening access point simply for reasons like AC, othercritters entering the home that way. Regarding the dogs barking, I have two barkers start the second I walk out the door, I don't think the barking is significant with regard to abuse. BUT IMO, if the dog's lifestyle (forgive me I can't find a better word)was pretty much the same and comfortable, they wouldn't suddenly start barking more. I'm sure they were used to being alone, I think they were alone most of the week the family was in CT, with someone coming to feed/let them out.

I feed my dogs from cans but I do have an auto water dispenser. I know some people leave food out all day, but most dog owners I know have some sort of feeding routine where food is put down at roughly the same time in the AM/PM. This way its more predictable and easier for me when they need to go "out".

 

[atthelake]

Don't know about y'all , but as a dog lover I have a need to express my feelings and talk to someone who will listen about all the concerns I have . She is awaiting me and I wish that the young ones had thier companions to talk to also .

Such a shame that circumstances don't allow .

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[SeesSeas]

Agree with everything above, except I'm not so sure they probably have a doggie door. Those are fairly big dogs, and I'm not sure the family would want such a big opening access point simply for reasons like AC, othercritters entering the home that way. Regarding the dogs barking, I have two barkers start the second I walk out the door, I don't think the barking is significant with regard to abuse. BUT IMO, if the dog's lifestyle (forgive me I can't find a better word)was pretty much the same and comfortable, they wouldn't suddenly start barking more. I'm sure they were used to being alone, I think they were alone most of the week the family was in CT, with someone coming to feed/let them out.

I feed my dogs from cans but I do have an auto water dispenser. I know some people leave food out all day, but most dog owners I know have some sort of feeding routine where food is put down at roughly the same time in the AM/PM. This way its more predictable and easier for me when they need to go "out".

The advanced technology of doggie doors is interesting.... where 'critters' are excluded from entry into the house. Example: http://www.petsafe.net/doors/electronic-doors

I would think the Sievers would have something like this doggie door which would have simplified doggie duty.

 

[wondering25]

I am going to guess that NO ONE wants to go into that home. No dog walker.. no neighbor and maybe not even MS. We dont know how much was cleaned up.. what damage remains (blood on walls etc) and the psychological damage for MS could be huge if he wasnt involved. In addition, there is no income that we know of at the moment. He probably cant afford to board the dogs. He and his kids probably are staying with someone.. he cant bring 2 dogs too, right? Maybe he is doing the best he can.. let's pretend he is innocent, just for the sake of argument.. he is traumatized, scared, and depressed. He is feeding them and hoping when the dust settles the kids can have their pets back.. i dunno.. just an alternate view..MOO

 

[creepingskills]

The advanced technology of doggie doors is interesting.... where 'critters' are excluded from entry into the house. Example: http://www.petsafe.net/doors/electronic-doors

I would think the Sievers would have something like this doggie door which would have simplified doggie duty.

My first thought looking at the collar remote-ish doggie door was wow, this is genius! Followed by oh god, did the perp have one of the dog's collars and accessed the home this way?? :scared:

 

[relay]

I understand different people have different views on pets but why would MS leave the dogs alone for months? Maybe, and this is a far out stab in the dark here, he was at the scene when TS was murdered and the dogs are aggressive with him? I know it sounds ridiculous, but with the dogs dna testing and him looking like a twin to CWW, the "avalanche" of evidence (could possibly mean that there was too much evidence, as in, if someone were trying to frame someone else). Movies and books will be made...

Or, he is wary someone might try to enter the home because of all the publicity and is keeping the dogs there as a deterrent? That's a bit thin, too, but this is one complicated, far out case, so who knows? On the other hand, it may be something as simple as MS not bothering to take time to figure out a better situation for them or perhaps he just doesn't know it is not cool to leave your dogs alone for at least 23 hours a day without their family for months. Some people just do not know things like this, sadly.

 

[creepingskills]

I am going to guess that NO ONE wants to go into that home. No dog walker.. no neighbor and maybe not even MS. We dont know how much was cleaned up.. what damage remains (blood on walls etc) and the psychological damage for MS could be huge if he wasnt involved. In addition, there is no income that we know of at the moment. He probably cant afford to board the dogs. He and his kids probably are staying with someone.. he cant bring 2 dogs too, right? Maybe he is doing the best he can.. let's pretend he is innocent, just for the sake of argument.. he is traumatized, scared, and depressed. He is feeding them and hoping when the dust settles the kids can have their pets back.. i dunno.. just an alternate view..MOO

I really do appreciate alternative views, brings me back down to earth. That being said, I'm sure there is someone (who knew how much TS's loved those dogs) willing to care for them. Then, the family could avoid the house on Jarvis all together. JMO. Animal control might just be concerned about the end game here because its been months. If the family doesn't want to move back in, understandable, but will the dogs live there alone for another few months?

 

[concernedmother]

My first thought looking at the collar remote-ish doggie door was wow, this is genius! Followed by oh god, did the perp have one of the dog's collars and accessed the home this way?? :scared:

Doggie doors make me think of Jodi A. :Yikes:

 

[creepingskills]

Doggie doors make me think of Jodi A. :Yikes:

:ditto: Thank you, this explains my reaction. Jodi Arias, I'll never see doggie doors the same.:shame:

 

[gngr~snap]

Or, he is wary someone might try to enter the home because of all the publicity and is keeping the dogs there as a deterrent? That's a bit thin, too, but this is one complicated, far out case, so who knows? On the other hand, it may be something as simple as MS not bothering to take time to figure out a better situation for them or perhaps he just doesn't know it is not cool to leave your dogs alone for at least 23 hours a day without their family for months. Some people just do not know things like this, sadly.

This makes me sad. They need a foster family for now! [emoji20]

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[1soccermom22]

http://www.winknews.com/2015/09/16/deputies-animal-control-officers-called-to-sievers-home/

In the garage? So sad.

 

[Orgona]

http://www.winknews.com/2015/09/16/deputies-animal-control-officers-called-to-sievers-home/

Deputies called Lee County Domestic Animal Services out of concern for the family’s two dogs, which were in the garage.

OMG, in the garage? I hope they are not locked up in there all day and night while no one is there. Even if someone comes to walk them 2x a day, this is cruel.

 

[wondering25]

This post is not going to make me popular...Please understand i am trying to look at this rationally. The dogs are safe and sheltered. They are in the garage. In the not that distant past, dogs were kept in doghouses in the backyard and were rarely in people's homes. Dogs also routinely roamed. Neighbors would complain because they were cleaning up after everyone's dogs. We developed pooper scoopers so those who walked dogs would be responsible..not the public. We enforced leash laws.. we erected the invisible fence to contain our dogs..then we started having our dogs live in our homes with us 24/7. The latter is a more recent phenomenon.

Let's be driven by reality, here. A human being was viciously murdered in her home. Her family was deprived of her love and attention and her life was taken from her. It doesn't matter to me whether she was a caring, prominent MD or a common every day clerk at Walmart. Her home likely bears the signs of this senseless attack. We really do NOT know if anyone else in her family was involved in this murder. There are 2 children to raise, no job for the husband, they have been displaced from their home, the husband's best friend has been charged with his wife's murder and the husband may be close to the edge emotionally and financially. In addition, wherever he is living, the kids must still be home schooled and if he is living with others, he may not have the nanny to share responsibility for the care and needs of the children. Living with "other people" gets old fast.. for everyone. All of this is virgin territory for him.

Quite frankly, the socialization of the dogs would be pretty far down on MY LIST given the above circumstances. Just the fact that the dogs are no longer inside the home tells me MS cant bear to go back in there.. innocent or guilty. We really have no idea what his frame of mind is..

If he cant PROPERLY care for his animals, he needs to find a new venue. They are not abandoned.. they are just not living with a family at the moment. Perhaps he wants to reunite these dogs with the children at some point and not have them experience yet another loss, i don't know. It is probably unfair to assume MS is guilty of a heinous crime here (although i have my personal opinion) and just look at the bigger picture. JUST MY OPINION on all of this.

 

[Dmacky]

oh I blew it!! sorry for two..I'm tired!

You did fine mckazpm, and thank you for all your first hand amazing info!
Both of those pics deserve "2 snaps and a circle" :smile:

:bow: :bow:

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

The article also says Animal Control brought a bag of food. They would not have done so if there was food available to the dogs. So yes, that is neglect.

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[Bobbywoo]

And unless there is a/c in the garage I find this cruel. When I thought they were in the house I kept my mouth shut and tried not to judge but a garage in SW Florida can easily reach 90-100 degrees. I go out in mine for a few minutes to do laundry in the middle of the day and I'm soaked from sweat by the time I get back in the house

 

[SeesSeas]

The article also says Animal Control brought a bag of food. They would not have done so if there was food available to the dogs. So yes, that is neglect.

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It could be routine for Animal Control to leave a bag of dog food at homes when they post a warning. The WINK news article doesn't mention that there wasn't any dog food already available at the home.

http://www.winknews.com/2015/09/16/deputies-animal-control-officers-called-to-sievers-home/
- - An animal services officer brought a bag of dog food to the house. . . - -