The Dogs

[FelicityLemon]

Yikes ! I don't recall hearing or reading that MS was "leaving two large dogs in a single car garage, no air, no food, no water, no outside access!"

Sorry SeesSeas, that's just me being testy.

Nobody has said it but me and I'm speculating based on what we've read in MSM, seen in video, heard quoted from Sheriff Scott and my own imagination.

The dogs are large (to me) they're not little chihuahuas, etc. It makes a difference depending on the square footage available to move about. Two pixies would consider a garage almost infinite, two larger dogs not so much.

The garage had two single doors, so I ASSUMED (yeah) that it may not be a typical double garage, but two single car garages side by side. I don't know what it looks like inside, it could very well be all one garage, but then why build it with two separate doors? Meh, I don't really care, lol.

The Sheriff said they "did not see any food or water in sight".

If they had outside access, they'd hopefully be barking their heads off or crying to alert neighbors. Not that I want to see dogs are that distressed, but since they can't talk or yell for help

Fresh air can't exist if you're in a sealed room or house. Eventually, it's all stale. Nobody asphyxiates, but fresh air is a good thing

If they're not outside alerting neighbors, they're not outside pooping

AND it doubly breaks my heart that the younger dog escaped to bring attention that there was an elderly friend in poor health back home that needed help. My imagination gets away from me on occasion.

EDITED TO ADD: these are my opinions, my thoughts, my suppositions, my assumptions and my speculations ONLY

The End.

 

[OC Sunshine]

Someone in my family lives in CA and their dog lives in the garage. They do not have air in the garage and even though it gets hot, the garage doesn't. Not sure how or why, but it just doesn't. This summer when it was in the 90's the garage was fine. The dog has food, water, toys and has a cage around three sides of the dog. The fourth side is surrounding the door from the garage to the backyard. This gives the dog the freedom to go outside at anytime.

Now, I noticed in the picture at the Sievers' they have a door like my family member and everyone else. Maybe it was left open for the dogs to go to and from. Something I was thinking about....they were called because the alarm was going off. They have their garage on an alarm? Most people I know don't include the garage because you pull in and out and can't shut it off. Not to mention, why would the alarm be on in the garage if the dogs were in there? Also, if the dogs were so neglected, Animal Control would have taken them.

Jmo, but I know that MSM typically doesn't get the whole story correct.

Your idea that the alarm system may not have been installed in the garage is an interesting thought…. in regards to the murderers entering the home.

 

[hockeymom4]

he has for leaving two large dogs in a single car garage, no air, no food, no water, no outside access! .

I applaud any neighbor who is purposely setting off the alarm in order to draw attention to the dog's plight.

Do you have a link for this? I have yet to read the dogs had no air, no food, and no water.

Wait, what? A neighbor is purposely setting off the alarm? Where did we learn this?

I am not a subscriber so I can't read a lot of articles. Is all of the above in those articles?

 

[Scout]

The Sievers house has a three car garage. A double where the blue minivan and motorcycle were parked. Single to the right where the white Mercedes wagon was parked. In one of the images where the blue minivan and motorcycle were shown, you can see part of the Merecedes in the shadowy background. So there is no dividing wall between the bays. The garage kennel that someone posted an example of earlier is a possibility, but I've seen nothing like it in all of the videos and photos we've seen so far. Not sure there's enough wall space to accommodate a doggy door there being that the walk-thru door and water treatment units appear to take up most of the exterior garage wall within the fenced backyard.

 

[FelicityLemon]

At the risk of sounding like a jerk, I would love to know what "schedule" he is referring to. If I understand correctly the practice isn't up and running (and that was his only job), and his children are home schooled by someone other than himself. Even if he does still have work at the office he would make his own schedule (as it doesn't seem there are patients), and if he is homeschooling the children himself now he would still be able to make his own schedule. I don't see any of that as reason to essentially abandon and/or neglect your family pets...

And his excuse about the media - they aren't ALWAYS there...and he can drive right into his garage without interacting with them at all - I would walk through fire with a swarm of angry bees around it to get to my dogs.

I can understand grief, but blaming a "schedule" in my opinion speaks volumes...

I skip around so much and get lost sometimes in the threads and missed that you are right there giving us such valuable information, too!

I agree, no excuse! Also, because he's completely uninvolved in his wife's murder, why fear the media covering his house? Big woo. If they want to waste their time, so what? If it were me and I didn't want to talk, I'd ignore them the best I could and continue on with my caring for the dogs. He doesn't like the coverage he was getting before, imagine what it would be like if the dogs died from his neglect? Pfft. If he is involved well...just freaking take care of the dogs, eh? Neglecting them doesn't help your case in public opinion.

 

[creepingskills]

What did he say that makes you think he is blaming the media? I am guessing it's in one of the articles for subscribers only or one I missed. Can you copy the quote he gave? Thx.

UPDATE: Sheriff Mike Scott tells WINK News Mark Sievers has contacted Lee County Animal Services.

“(He) explained to them the reasoning perhaps for the dog being a little disheveled is that his schedule has been changed dramatically since the passing of his wife, the death of his wife, and then he explained because of media coverage he’s not coming and going to the residence as he typically would,” Scott said.
http://www.winknews.com/2015/09/16/deputies-animal-control-officers-called-to-sievers-home/

 

[SeesSeas]

Sorry SeesSeas, that's just me being testy.

Nobody has said it but me and I'm speculating based on what we've read in MSM, seen in video, heard quoted from Sheriff Scott and my own imagination.

The dogs are large (to me) they're not little chihuahuas, etc. It makes a difference depending on the square footage available to move about. Two pixies would consider a garage almost infinite, two larger dogs not so much.

The garage had two single doors, so I ASSUMED (yeah) that it may not be a typical double garage, but two single car garages side by side. I don't know what it looks like inside, it could very well be all one garage, but then why build it with two separate doors? Meh, I don't really care, lol.

The Sheriff said they "did not see any food or water in sight".

If they had outside access, they'd hopefully be barking their heads off or crying to alert neighbors. Not that I want to see dogs are that distressed, but since they can't talk or yell for help

Fresh air can't exist if you're in a sealed room or house. Eventually, it's all stale. Nobody asphyxiates, but fresh air is a good thing

If they're not outside alerting neighbors, they're not outside pooping

AND it doubly breaks my heart that the younger dog escaped to bring attention that there was an elderly friend in poor health back home that needed help. My imagination gets away from me on occasion.

The End.

If LE peeked around my home, doors, windows, screens, garage, etc, they wouldn't see "any food or water in sight" for my dog. But food and water for my dog is in my home, just not within sight range of my doors, windows, screens, or garage.

The garage is BIG - a double and a single, per this photo:

 

[human]

I am ASSuming, but if the dogs have been there since sometime in July, what a nightmare. Can anyone really think this is ok?

People are kindhearted. There is someone who would care for those dogs. Why doesn't he have someone help out?

 

[creepingskills]

I am ASSuming, but if the dogs have been there since sometime in July, what a nightmare. Can anyone really think this is ok?

People are kindhearted. There is someone who would care for those dogs. Why doesn't he have someone help out?

I think garage living for an animal is less than ideal, but I'm a crazy dog person. Surely, there are abuse situations far worse than whats going on with MS. And plenty of dogs live outside with shelter and are just fine. My dogs sleep in my bed, and they'd howl if I attempted to keep them in the garage one day. For me, IMO, the sad part is that these two dogs, one older, were used to living in the house with the family. Now they're not living in the house, and there is no family. The way they're being treated might not be abuse exactly, but those dogs have to be filled with anxiety. Its strange that MS didn't feel bad when he did go by the house. So much change, and all so negative.

 

[FelicityLemon]

If LE peeked around my home, doors, windows, screens, garage, etc, they wouldn't see "any food or water in sight" for my dog. But food and water for my dog is in my home, just not within sight range of my doors, windows, screens, or garage.

The garage is BIG - a double and a single, per this photo:

Same in my home when we had big dogs. BUT, I'm here every day, all day. Nobody called Animal Control concerned about the welfare of my pets. No vet has ever declared my pets as being in "marginal" condition.

No one is living at the Sievers home. There are extraordinary circumstances at that home and of course people are concerned. I don't see anything wrong how LE handled it. Given the circumstances, it would have been remiss to not act after not seeing food or water for the dogs. As it turns out, LE handled it perfectly and none too soon.

Yes, the garage is indeed huge. I had completely forgotten what I had seen except for tonight's entry into the single car portion. As I said, it's me being testy about the lack of care for vulnerable animals.

And I see a discrepancy between a vet calling an elderly animal "marginal" when the owner calls it "disheveled". I trust the vet knows the difference.

All my opinion and nothing more.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Do you have a link for this? I have yet to read the dogs had no air, no food, and no water.

Wait, what? A neighbor is purposely setting off the alarm? Where did we learn this?

I am not a subscriber so I can't read a lot of articles. Is all of the above in those articles?

NONONONONO! I was kidding, I don't believe someone was setting it off deliberately. I *really* need to proofread myself before submitting. I totally would have worded that alarm comment differently - the part about someone setting off the alarm - that was totally out of my... hat. I was projecting what I would do in those circumstances. I have no idea what set off the alarm. My first happy thought was that the dogs found out how to trip the alarm because they knew humans would come.

Hi hockeymom4 I don't subscribe to anything. I did for another case for a few months, but stopped.

http://www.winknews.com/2015/09/16/deputies-animal-control-officers-called-to-sievers-home/

Most of the info I used was from a combination of the video with Sheriff Scott's comments, observations and his repeating what MS told him, and the written article below. I was wrong about the garage! Part of that was I was guessing separate bays because of previous comments about the dogs not escaping when MS pulled in. I was wrong.

I stand by my thoughts about the food, water, outside access, fresh air, human companionship, etc.

All my opinion, thoughts, speculation and random thoughts.

 

[concernedmother]

I dont have a doggy door. My little chihuahua is pee pad trained so when I cant be home to let him out he goes on the pad. Even if these dogs are pee pad trained, have a doggy door, going all over the garage or have food and water its not right to shut them up for months with no human interaction.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

This dude is a real jerk! And he's revealing a lot about his character, in my opinion.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Right! Dogs are pets not livestock. I have 3 dogs and when I come home after being gone for just a half day they are so happy to see me. They follow me all around the house and want to be where ever I am. Dogs love people and love being with their master. They are so loving and so loyal. They feel our our pain. Some know if we have cancer, some know if we are having a seizure. We need them and they certainly need us.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

There have to be other people in MS's life. All he would have to do is say to someone "I can't do this. I need help. Can you make arrangements for the dogs? "

He just doesn't care about the dogs. I bet he only goes over there when the girls beg him.

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[Dmacky]

Mark parked his car in the smaller garage. I wonder if there a door to separate these two side garages? Another video with veterinary car arriving at the Sievers.

[video]http://www.nbc-2.com/story/30048628/sievers-neighbors-concerned-about-the-familys-dogs#.VfqRzHnH9Y8[/video]

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I don't think we can assume the Veterinary Services will do follow-up visits, can we?

I really feel bad for these neglected dogs.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I don't think we can assume the Veterinary Services will do follow-up visits, can we?

I really feel bad for these neglected dogs.

They probably gave him 24 hours to make other arrangements for the dogs.

I hope.

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[TTF14]

Surely there must be a foster organization that can find temporary homes for these dogs.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Surely there must be a foster organization that can find temporary homes for these dogs.

Of course there are. He hasn't asked.

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