The elusive "other" cell phone - the Blackjack - REVISITED

[BondJamesBond]

We now have at least one question answered about this blackjack...

On the Rev's latest blog, he's told that the phone Casey got from him was a different phone, not a blackjack. He said she 'borrowed' this phone in November of 2007 and never returned it. He also said it came with a new SIM card and she activated that in her name.

He claims the blackjack doesn't exist but I don't believe that yet. I believe it is out there and will keep my ears and eyes attuned until it surfaces.

Thank you, Rev Grund for answering that question. It has been bugging the life out of me.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=441716051

Liltigress: Just hafta say I really admire your tenacity. :detective:

 

[liltigress]

Liltigress: Just hafta say I really admire your tenacity. :detective:

Heh.. Thanks.. The Scorpio who obsesses. How's that?

 

[liltigress]

I've thought about this quite a bit. (Who knew? Heh).

I have my cellular account with AT&T. I have changed my SIM card to other phones. On their website, the instant that SIM card is put into another phone, that phone is detected and a picture of the exact phone and model is posted to my online account.

Each phone has an IMEI number and serial number. When the database detects the phone, they also detect the IMEI and Serial numbers. That's how they know what phone the SIM card is in.

So..

She either:

Lied about changing her SIM card in order to avoid being caught in her lies since she doesn't really have Zanny's phone number.

Or...

She did change her SIM card out. If so, I would think LE has this information and we just don't know it yet.

If she put her SIM card into a blackjack, AT&T can cross reference those IMEI and Serial numbers of that phone to see what other account it's associated with.

Either way, this blackjack is going to cause me to lose my last marble.

 

[LCoastMom]

I could be completely off base here, I've always thought during conversation between LA and KC , LA is actually feeding questions to KC from LE. Even the way he is agreeing with her when she's talking in circles, just to keep her talking for that little kernel of truth.

During the trip to Universal KC was accompanied by at least 3 seasoned LEO's, I can't imagine them allowing her to loose the very thing they went there to get, right under their noses.

 

[Muzikman]

I've thought about this quite a bit. (Who knew? Heh).

I have my cellular account with AT&T. I have changed my SIM card to other phones. On their website, the instant that SIM card is put into another phone, that phone is detected and a picture of the exact phone and model is posted to my online account.

Each phone has an IMEI number and serial number. When the database detects the phone, they also detect the IMEI and Serial numbers. That's how they know what phone the SIM card is in.

So..

She either:

Lied about changing her SIM card in order to avoid being caught in her lies since she doesn't really have Zanny's phone number.

Or...

She did change her SIM card out. If so, I would think LE has this information and we just don't know it yet.

If she put her SIM card into a blackjack, AT&T can cross reference those IMEI and Serial numbers of that phone to see what other account it's associated with.

Either way, this blackjack is going to cause me to lose my last marble.

The red bolded above is what I've always thought, although I'm not ruling out there being another secret phone she used for.... secret things.

Very good analysis, Tigress. I have AT&T also and did not know that about them listing the phone on your account page. Interesting.

 

[Gaia713]

OK, I realize that 99% of what Casey Anthony says is a half-truth at best, still, I've been re-listening to Casey's phone call to Lee @ end of July that includes info on her other (i.e. "BlackJack") cell phone.

IF, we play along for a minute, and, indeed, there WAS another cell phone (i.e. "BlackJack" or other) Casey appears to be TRYING to tell Lee that she tossed her cell phone @ Universal Park when she was taken their by LE, 7/16. She indicates the last time she had it for "certain" was when she was in through the park "in through the park talking to a couple of mutual friends", and "it wasn't necessarily fun" and "not through work". At this point she knows the calls are made public and must try to get the point across indirectly.

She later indicates that these "mutual friends" are the ONLY ones she talked to about Caylee missing. The two names she gives are complete fabrications (oh, how ironic) and she disagree’s with the spelling of Juliet to try to clue Lee into what she is trying to tell him, but, he doesn't get it (i.e. the “mutual friends” are the LE that accompanied her 7/16)!

She also indicates "J Blanchard Park" as a potential place she lost it too to try to clue Lee into what she is trying to tell him - as in places she's been escorted around to w/ LE 7/15-7/16, but, he doesn't get it.

She is VERY emphatic about telling him how it might've been lost "that's the thing...if it fell out of my bag...if it fell out of my pocket [LONG PAUSE i.e. "DON’T YOU GET IT?!?!?].

My hope is that LE figured this out some time ago and retraced Universal route they took on 7/16 (i.e. Did she go to a restroom unmonitored?), and checked the lost-and-found @ Universal for any/all cell phones. IF there indeed was another cell phone Casey used, regardless of what type, it may have been tossed in a place where it would be hard to tie back to its original owner.

Casey may have stolen the second cell phone to use when she needed to go undetected, and, hence, didn't have a charger to use. J.P. Chatt immediately went shopping for an iPhone the day he returned from Puerto Rico, suggesting that something had happened to his phone.

J.P.’s phone records would be worth a search.

Dunno about the compatibility of the sim chip between Casey’s phone and the other phone. Maybe just a complete ruse there.

Perhaps not new ideas, but, just in case, I thought they were worth sharing.

Rev. Grund addresses that on his myspace page. He gave Casey an older phone of his with a new sim card. It was NOT a Blackberry. He also addresses when Jesse got upset with Cindy and the cause for that. Verrrry interesting.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=441068923 it's a question he answers in his blog.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Look at this video stop it at 2:44 / 3:27 and look at the phones..............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URqXu8P1d5s&feature=related

Caylee Marie Anthony//Slipped Away

 

[liltigress]

Good eyesight, Turbo!

 

[BondJamesBond]

Good eyesight, Turbo!

Heheheh...I went down that rabbit hole. Pic is from a visit to Don Reid Ford, IIRC, back in late 2007.

 

[Bev]

You know, one big problem reported with the blackjack, is that it really doesn't hold a charge for very long - a day to a day and a half at most. My best guess is that she purchased the blackjack, found it didn't hold a charge very long and took it back to the store and exchanged it for her current phone. I don't think it makes much difference - LE simply requests any and all account records of KCA from the phone company.

Do Sears still have phone kiosks in their stores? It would stand to reason that at the time KC didn't have the money to buy any kind of phone and you know it has to be on someone's credit card. Did CA have a Sears/Mastercard?

 

[Pink Panther]

You know, one big problem reported with the blackjack, is that it really doesn't hold a charge for very long - a day to a day and a half at most. My best guess is that she purchased the blackjack, found it didn't hold a charge very long and took it back to the store and exchanged it for her current phone. I don't think it makes much difference - LE simply requests any and all account records of KCA from the phone company.

Do Sears still have phone kiosks in their stores? It would stand to reason that at the time KC didn't have the money to buy any kind of phone and you know it has to be on someone's credit card. Did CA have a Sears/Mastercard?

I don't really have any comments to make on the blackjack but just thought you would like to know that Jesse's Dad has clarified that he gave KC the phone she was using. He talks about it and the blackjack on his myspace blog:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=441716051

(Scroll down to his comments in the comments section.)

 

[Shutterfly]

Here's reference KC made as far back as May that she had a Blackjack.
http://www.myspace.com/squishy23

You're looking for the comments section. May 3rd 2008 at 10:17am

If she were just spinning tales about a mystery phone 'after the fact' then I would simply write it off. But because of THIS I can't help but wonder if she did have that phone and either stole it and was afraid of getting caught, or it would somehow connect her definitively to exactly what happened to Caylee....so she ditched it.

If this has been posted I sowwy, I've been away for a good portion of the past two weeks or so.

 

[Muzikman]

We now have at least one question answered about this blackjack...

On the Rev's latest blog, he's told that the phone Casey got from him was a different phone, not a blackjack. He said she 'borrowed' this phone in November of 2007 and never returned it. He also said it came with a new SIM card and she activated that in her name.

He claims the blackjack doesn't exist but I don't believe that yet. I believe it is out there and will keep my ears and eyes attuned until it surfaces.

Thank you, Rev Grund for answering that question. It has been bugging the life out of me.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=441716051

This could be the phone RG gave her, it's the one that was forensically examined - a cheap one, Nokia 2610.

 

[Pink Panther]

Here's reference KC made as far back as May that she had a Blackjack.
http://www.myspace.com/squishy23

You're looking for the comments section. May 3rd 2008 at 10:17am

If she were just spinning tales about a mystery phone 'after the fact' then I would simply write it off. But because of THIS I can't help but wonder if she did have that phone and either stole it and was afraid of getting caught, or it would somehow connect her definitively to exactly what happened to Caylee....so she ditched it.

If this has been posted I sowwy, I've been away for a good portion of the past two weeks or so.

OMG. You're right. I've never seen that. There is it right there!
"May 3, 2008 10:17 AM

i just got a blackjack...it's pretty great. that's what i would recommend."

Has this ever been discussed here???

 

[Muzikman]

OMG. You're right. I've never seen that. There is it right there!
"May 3, 2008 10:17 AM

i just got a blackjack...it's pretty great. that's what i would recommend."

Has this ever been discussed here???

Has been discussed on this forum, not sure about this particular thread.

With her known ability to make things up, someone she knows could have gotten a blackjack so she said that she did. You know, trying to keep up with the Jones....

 

[liltigress]

This could be the phone RG gave her, it's the one that was forensically examined - a cheap one, Nokia 2610.

Yeah I figured that was the one the Rev gave her.

 

[Pink Panther]

Has been discussed on this forum, not sure about this particular thread.

With her known ability to make things up, someone she knows could have gotten a blackjack so she said that she did. You know, trying to keep up with the Jones....

I guess...I had completely discounted the possibility though and this kind of makes one think twice. :waitasec:

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I remember seeing JG father RG say on the NG Show....
That he.... RG purchased and gave the Black Jack phone to
KC ! ! !
Maybe someone... much wiser than me ... remembers...
Maybe Patti G can
L@@K it up for you....
Thanks !
Keep working on it....
THE TRUTH WILL ALL COME OUT !
S O O N
very
Very
SOON !:clap:
God Bless !
jjgram

On his blog, on my space he said he loaned her a phone, but it was NOT a blackjack.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Good eyesight, Turbo!

The one in the center in this picture looks like my Blackberry in it's case. I looked up the blackjack and they are just like a Blackberry.

 

[lizzysf]

If ANYONE would know if she had a blackjack it would be TonE and/or Amy.
Amy said NO, did anyone hear if TonE gave an answer to that? As much as she saw those 2, they would have seen it. I am sure she would have been flaunting it as her "work" phone so they would further believe her lie that she had a job.