The Importance of the Pineapple

[Anti-K]

I wonder if PR's psychiatrist at the time, Dr. Samuel "Sammy" Brown in Atlanta has ever shed any light on PR's memory or any disorders she may have had. If her memory was severely affected by this trauma, why wouldn't her doctor contact LE?

The fact remains, her and BR's fingerprints were on the bowl. How they got there should've been asked and answered whether it was thought the pineapple was connected to the murder or not.



Very weird. Maybe none were found to report? I know they didn't do any tests for saliva on the bowl and glass, so it wouldn't surprise me if the Kleenex box wasn't tested.



Again, I think it was BR who gave JBR the pineapple, as it appeared in the fridge (potentially intended to be served at the party in the white bowl). Maybe he was too lazy to serve her some pieces in another bowl so he just used that one. There's no evidence that the pineapple was anywhere other than the refrigerator before the Rs came home from the Whites'.



Not a myth:




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Can't say I've ever experienced that, but I can't speak for everyone. I just think it's telling that BR was protected so much from all of this, he was never interviewed by LE about the pineapple or anything else.

hmmmm, still sounds like myth to me:

7 TOM HANEY: Did she like pineapple?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: She liked it.
9 TOM HANEY: Did she eat it as a snack?
10 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, we had so many other
11 things that she had for a snack first, you know, before
12 she got pineapple.

I think a lot of myths started with Thomas, but anyway, in this quote he says fresh fruit was a favorite AND she loved pineapple. Not quite the same as saying that pineapple was her favorite.
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Actually, I don’t think there is any evidence that the bowl was ever in the fridge.

If Burke was never asked about the pineapple than maybe the pineapple isn’t quite the thing RDI want it to be.
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AK

 

[Anti-K]

I think the answer kind of puts the boots to one of your theories that she woke up hungry and went to get a snack. If she did, she certainly would have eaten more than a bite.

Not necessarily. It’s called nibbling.
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[Anti-K]

Almost like they'd been used to serve pineapple at the Christmas party right?

That's what I don't get about you or your pals. Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey. You all just ignore the fact that it is there and wash yourselves of any ownership. If Patsy had said something like "I don't remember having or buying pineapple, but as its in the bowl that I would have used at the Christmas party, it is possible that it was left over from that even.", I might believe her. But its like the flashlight and everything else, deny, deny, deny.

And whose fault was her memory anyway? She was the one that refused interviews for 3 months. And don't give me that "holding the body ransom crap either, that wouldn't have happened until about four or five days after her death. Where were they on day 2, day 3, or day 1 for that matter?

Certainly not ignoring anything, in fact, I’ve been exploring this issue and discussing and debating it for quite some time. BTW, she didn’t deny buying pineapple or that pineapple was in the house.
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AK

 

[Annapurna]

I actually agree that the favorite food as pineapple thing is a myth. PR said in another (or the same, can't remember) interview that she like grapes. So Thomas isn't exactly lying, she did indeed like fresh fruit (grapes) and she liked pineapple (both supported by PR).

I think there is some credence to the theory that it was meant to be served at the christmas party. There are photos from the party showing the same bowls used.









That however does not explain the serving spoon, I don't know why that would be in the fridge too because it was "patsy's good silver" as JR said. Also I can't see pineapple being used for gingerbread houses of course, though it very well could have been there for parents or something as a healthy alternative. At the very least it shows there were these kinds of bowls available, PR tried to say she didn't recognize the bowl.


Relevant info regarding the pineapple. JR says he isn't sure if it looks like the kind of bowl that would have been left in the fridge.

June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Questioning Regarding the Pineapple)

15 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it's a large spoon, not
16 a teaspoon. It looks like Patsy's good silver. I
17 guess that could be pineapple, I can't tell. But
18 it could be. Some people (INAUDIBLE) pineapple to
19 make it old and there's this teabag in an empty
20 glass. I can't tell, but it looks like there is
21 some milk or something.
22 LOU SMIT: Who do you know would eat
23 pineapple like that? Do you have any idea?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Well the kids like pineapple,
25 but that's a big bowl and this is a big spoon and
1 I can't imagine that the kids would have something
2 like that at any time. Certainly not with iced
3 tea, I don't think. They don't even drink iced
4 tea. I think they do not. (INAUDIBLE) yeah.


6 JOHN RAMSEY: Well okay, the 25th,
17 Christmas Day night. So if you said midnight,
18 that means there is three hours that I would say
19 there is no way she could have eaten any, as --
20 it's a time mark. I think Patsy -- see that
21 picture, asked to see if that bowl looks like
22 something that would have been in the
23 refrigerator and left out, did JonBenet grab a
24 bite when she left the house, I don't know. But
25 I know as a father and as sound asleep as she
1 was, that she didn't get up, we didn't feed her
2 when we got home.
3 She wouldn't have gotten up, Patsy
4 didn't get up. She would have gotten up to feed
5 her. So that isn't an option in my mind. I
6 mean, it would be -- an intruder drug her down
7 there and tried to feed her something, she would
8 have screamed bloody murder. If she opened her
9 mouth to eat pineapple, she would have screamed
10 bloody murder.

 

[OliviaG1996]

hmmmm, still sounds like myth to me:

7 TOM HANEY: Did she like pineapple?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: She liked it.
9 TOM HANEY: Did she eat it as a snack?
10 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, we had so many other
11 things that she had for a snack first, you know, before
12 she got pineapple.

I think a lot of myths started with Thomas, but anyway, in this quote he says fresh fruit was a favorite AND she loved pineapple. Not quite the same as saying that pineapple was her favorite.
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Actually, I don’t think there is any evidence that the bowl was ever in the fridge.

If Burke was never asked about the pineapple than maybe the pineapple isn’t quite the thing RDI want it to be.
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AK

I said pineapple was one of JBR's favorite fruits. That is not a myth. According to PR, grapes were one of her favorites, too. In other words, she liked pineapple. That's common knowledge.

Where else would the pineapple have been? It was bought, put in a bowl, and left out somewhere for days until JBR found it in the middle of the night? It had to have been in the fridge at some time after it had been bought.

Burke was never asked about anything by police.

 

[Anti-K]

I said pineapple was one of JBR's favorite fruits. That is not a myth. According to PR, grapes were one of her favorites, too. In other words, she liked pineapple. That's common knowledge.

Where else would the pineapple have been? It was bought, put in a bowl, and left out somewhere for days until JBR found it in the middle of the night? It had to have been in the fridge at some time after it had been bought.

Burke was never asked about anything by police.

The pineapple could have been in the original container while it was in the fridge. The bowl, empty, could have been out since the Christmas party.
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AK

 

[Ellie9]

The pineapple could have been in the original container while it was in the fridge. The bowl, empty, could have been out since the Christmas party.
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AK

This is a fair guess. However, I'm not sure how to explain why both parents denied that JBR could have gotten into the fridge without help.

Was the spoon ever tested for prints? The handle?

Also, was there actually milk in the bowl? I've never heard of this before. Milk and pineapple? It sounds like a regional thing or maybe a personal preference even? It sounds gross... I actually have pineapple and milk right now but I'm not sure I'm brave enough to test this...

 

[andreww]

The pineapple could have been in the original container while it was in the fridge. The bowl, empty, could have been out since the Christmas party.
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AK

Don't you think that investigators would have found an original container if there was one? And let's face it, that house was likely cleaned top to bottom by the maid after the party, and the breakfast area was cleaned by Patsy that day. Stop playing us for idiots AK..


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[andreww]

I said pineapple was one of JBR's favorite fruits. That is not a myth. According to PR, grapes were one of her favorites, too. In other words, she liked pineapple. That's common knowledge.

Where else would the pineapple have been? It was bought, put in a bowl, and left out somewhere for days until JBR found it in the middle of the night? It had to have been in the fridge at some time after it had been bought.

Burke was never asked about anything by police.

Maybe it was her favorite fruit, but I've yet to meet a six year old that didn't prefer candy, chocolate or cookies as a snack. The fact that a healthy snack was chosen gives me a strong feeling that a parent was likely responsible for providing it.


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[Annapurna]

This is a fair guess. However, I'm not sure how to explain why both parents denied that JBR could have gotten into the fridge without help.

Was the spoon ever tested for prints? The handle?

Also, was there actually milk in the bowl? I've never heard of this before. Milk and pineapple? It sounds like a regional thing or maybe a personal preference even? It sounds gross... I actually have pineapple and milk right now but I'm not sure I'm brave enough to test this...

Wouldn't the milk curdle? Sounds hideous.

As for the spoon, I've never heard of any prints on there. I wish they would have DNA tested the glass and spoon though. Again, a missed opportunity.

 

[Anti-K]

This is a fair guess. However, I'm not sure how to explain why both parents denied that JBR could have gotten into the fridge without help.

Was the spoon ever tested for prints? The handle?

Also, was there actually milk in the bowl? I've never heard of this before. Milk and pineapple? It sounds like a regional thing or maybe a personal preference even? It sounds gross... I actually have pineapple and milk right now but I'm not sure I'm brave enough to test this...

Maybe, she couldn’t open the fridge.

No prints reported as far as I remember, except on bowl and glass.

Milk or cream, or…? Lots of discussion over this one. I didn’t eat any of it, but I did an experiment where I had two bowls of pineapple, one with milk and one with cream and l let them sit out for 2 or 3 days to see what would happen. Pics and such are here on this forum, maybe even on this thread?
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AK

 

[Anti-K]

Don't you think that investigators would have found an original container if there was one? And let's face it, that house was likely cleaned top to bottom by the maid after the party, and the breakfast area was cleaned by Patsy that day. Stop playing us for idiots AK..


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I dunno Andreww, are you suggesting that Mrs Ramsey brought the pineapple home from Safeway in her pocket, or that she grew in the bowl? Of course there was an original container.

I don’t think what the maid did 2 or 3 days before Christmas has much bearing. Mrs Ramsey cleared the table after breakfast, and things accumulated there sometime after that.
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AK

 

[andreww]

I dunno Andreww, are you suggesting that Mrs Ramsey brought the pineapple home from Safeway in her pocket, or that she grew in the bowl? Of course there was an original container.

AK

Lets not be silly AK. Every batch of pre cut pineapple Ive seen comes on a styrofoam tray. from Patsy's description here it sounds like she buys the slices with the rind removed, not diced. So she would buy it, dice it and put it in a bowl.


Usually I would buy those -- I
3 bought pineapple, it was fresh pineapple that had been
4 peeled or whatever they do to it, and core it and cut
5 it up a little bit, or some that had been fresh that
6 was sealed there in the produce area.

Something like this...

I don’t think what the maid did 2 or 3 days before Christmas has much bearing. Mrs Ramsey cleared the table after breakfast, and things accumulated there sometime after that.
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AK

I was responding to this quote from you, so I think the fact that the made cleaned up after the party has a lot of bearing

The bowl, empty, could have been out since the Christmas party.

 

[andreww]

Mrs Ramsey cleared the table after breakfast, and things accumulated there sometime after that.
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AK

If you are going to suggest that the pineapple had been ingested earlier in the day, I'm not buying it. Everything I've read has said that it had been consumed at best a couple of hours before her death. Are you seriously suggesting that it was closer 8 hours?

 

[OliviaG1996]

Maybe it was her favorite fruit, but I've yet to meet a six year old that didn't prefer candy, chocolate or cookies as a snack. The fact that a healthy snack was chosen gives me a strong feeling that a parent was likely responsible for providing it.


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Possibly, but then the question of why that parent didn't clean up the pineapple bowl and glass arises. Of course, that could be because they were so involved in staging, the pineapple escaped their mind. Or, they didn't think it was so important.

 

[OliviaG1996]

Maybe, she couldn’t open the fridge.

No prints reported as far as I remember, except on bowl and glass.

Milk or cream, or…? Lots of discussion over this one. I didn’t eat any of it, but I did an experiment where I had two bowls of pineapple, one with milk and one with cream and l let them sit out for 2 or 3 days to see what would happen. Pics and such are here on this forum, maybe even on this thread?
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AK

Unfortunately, I think your pineapple experiment pictures were on "The Pineapple Snack" thread, which was either hidden or deleted. Hopefully the thread will be open again someday so we can view them.

 

[Anti-K]

Lets not be silly AK. Every batch of pre cut pineapple Ive seen comes on a styrofoam tray. from Patsy's description here it sounds like she buys the slices with the rind removed, not diced. So she would buy it, dice it and put it in a bowl.


Usually I would buy those -- I
3 bought pineapple, it was fresh pineapple that had been
4 peeled or whatever they do to it, and core it and cut
5 it up a little bit, or some that had been fresh that
6 was sealed there in the produce area.

Something like this...

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I was responding to this quote from you, so I think the fact that the made cleaned up after the party has a lot of bearing

You’re being silly, Andreww. The pineapple came in something, if you want it to be a styrofoam tray, that’s fine and that qualifies as the original container.
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AK

 

[Anti-K]

You’re being silly, Andreww. The pineapple came in something, if you want it to be a styrofoam tray, that’s fine and that qualifies as the original container.
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AK

I most often go with ingestion 30 minutes before head blow. But, I know that it is impossible to rule out the possibility of it being eaten before leaving for the White’s because the process is conditional, individualistic and can be impaired, or even stopped. But, I like the 30 minute time frame.

But, I don’t know how long passed between eating and head blow, and neither does anyone else. We know what expert opinion tells us happens in most cases but no one can tell us what happened in this case. It’s the great unknown and you’re welcome to your opinion, but it is only your opinion.
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AK

 

[Ellie9]

You’re being silly, Andreww. The pineapple came in something, if you want it to be a styrofoam tray, that’s fine and that qualifies as the original container.
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AK

Doesn't matter original container or bowl. PR and JR insisted that JBR couldn't get into the fridge without help. Either bowl or container would be in the fridge, or else the fruit goes bad.

They wanted us to think an intruder gave this snack, but no evidence was seen, and they seemed to have forgotten that JBR wouldn't just snack on fruit from a strange man in the night without screaming. And if PR claims she can hear Burke use the restroom by his bedroom, then surely she can hear JBR bouncing around happily, creaking on stairs, following and chatting to a 'familiar' man if we assume a person she knew was the intruder. Oh that and all possible familiar men that wouldn't terrify her into screaming were ruled out.

 

[andreww]

You’re being silly, Andreww. The pineapple came in something, if you want it to be a styrofoam tray, that’s fine and that qualifies as the original container.
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AK

Now you are being ridiculous. If it comes in styrofoam, you dice it and put it all in a bowl. You honestly think anybody would hack pieces out of the styrofoam package?


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