The Murder of Janet Abaroa #1

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golfmom said:
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"I have known Janet since we were babies and am devastated by her loss. I feel sorrow for her family and friends but mostly for the person who did this to her. The person who did this took a beautiful woman away from all who loved her, before her time. They took a mother away from a baby. He will never fully understand how incredible his mother was. That is biggest tragedy here. Please pray for her family that they may find peace..."

1. how does she know it's a *he* ...
2. strikes me that this person has incredible compassion for this killer.

I think that was in reference to Kaiden, the baby.

Sorry, golfmom, I didn't see that someone else already posted this. I do feel sorry for poor Kaiden who will grow up without his mother.
 
golfmom said:
http://web.archive.org/web/20011015065631/2nutmeg.net/pr01.htm

Jacob Isaac Abaroa-Peters
Click on this and you get an e-mail address baseballismypassion@yahoo.com

http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/submit/Peters_Jacob_Izaak_Abaroa1.stm
On the Road in the Last-Chance League
by Jacob Izaak Abaroa-Peters (San Diego, CA)
again the same email address

google name "jacob abaroa-peters"

http://www.sportsjuice.com/providers2/index.php?tname=whatifsports
I think that Jacob must be a cousin or something. In searching the web it shows that he was serving on a mission in New York from '97-'99 and that doesn't fit with Raven's timeline.
 
Barbara2 said:
I think that Jacob must be a cousin or something. In searching the web it shows that he was serving on a mission in New York from '97-'99 and that doesn't fit with Raven's timeline.

I'm not sure how it fits in right now, but I find it everything getting curiouser and curiouser. I find it very strange that Raven would link that email to page where he was trying to get a business going for himself training kids for soccer. I also find it odd that as a shared passion this wasn't something Janet and Raven were doing together. And finally, I find it odd that the Sparta site doesn't have Raven listed in its "hall of fame."
 
Everyone of you are posting such good posts, you all have me thinking!

I see this picture of Janet... she was an all-star at soccer, a good student, wanted to be a mother, devoted to her family, friends and religion. Found a job easily after having to leave her job with Raven in January.

I see Raven as someone who was born into hard times. On his blog he posted about his parents divorce. He didn't take his father's last name. Who knows if his siblings are all from the same father even. He had big dreams and is only able to make them come true in his mind and on his website. The car listed on his site is not the car he drives. He was charged with embezzling funds. His wife was the successful soccer star, found a job easily, while he seemed to fabricate himself to make him look and feel better. He appears to be lonely and to overcompensate for his shortcomings. I had found an email that he sent to a customer online with a typo in it and not the best grammar. Janet was clearly the trophy he so wanted to have for himself. Maybe he resented her? Maybe he was jealous.

I am just speculating here...
 
golfmom said:
I'm not sure how it fits in right now, but I find it everything getting curiouser and curiouser. I find it very strange that Raven would link that email to page where he was trying to get a business going for himself training kids for soccer. I also find it odd that as a shared passion this wasn't something Janet and Raven were doing together. And finally, I find it odd that the Sparta site doesn't have Raven listed in its "hall of fame."
I'm guessing that his soccer skills were as overrated as S. Peterson's golf skills. I think he was successful in junior high but it didn't carry over into young adulthood. It's a guess based on the lack of any mention of him when you search anything about soccer while at the same time Janet is mentioned frequently.

It's interesting because I know someone who has his own business where he works with kids individually on their basketball skills. He also thinks that he is much better than he is at the game. He was a basketball wannabe and lives vicariously through these young people. He's not even really a very good student of the game and he's a mediocre coach. To hear him talk though he is the greatest coach that ever lived! I can't help but think of this man when I read "Raven's Ravings" about himself.
 
Barbara2 said:
I'm guessing that his soccer skills were as overrated as S. Peterson's golf skills. I think he was successful in junior high but it didn't carry over into young adulthood. It's a guess based on the lack of any mention of him when you search anything about soccer while at the same time Janet is mentioned frequently.

It's interesting because I know someone who has his own business where he works with kids individually on their basketball skills. He also thinks that he is much better than he is at the game. He was a basketball wannabe and lives vicariously through these young people. He's not even really a very good student of the game and he's a mediocre coach. To hear him talk though he is the greatest coach that ever lived! I can't help but think of this man when I read "Raven's Ravings" about himself.

LOL Barbara I've known people like that as well. Raven comes across as such a wannabe-posser kind of guy. If he changed his name though that could be why were not finding his soccer accomplishments.

When you think about the 2nutmeg attempt, wouldn't it have been better if Janet had lent her qualifications? She certainly had the credentials and she would have been able to draw in girls. The whole venture would have had a greater chance of success if she was involved.
 
What if he wasn't just simply jealous of Janet's sport/academics, but *also* believed she could be the next Mia Hamm (sp?) of soccer? Janet was *very* good at what she did across the board. Use Janet's talents to achieve for himself? Another way of putting it: use another to get what you want/deserve (in your mind, anyway) without the work yourself....a young gold digger with dreams of being status happy, regardless of the expense of others.

Why would Raven respect Janet as a person when she could have been very possibly viewed as only a "meal ticket" to get ahead? Janet was a tool to achieve *his* needs, IMHO. I cannot help but wonder if Kaiden was another "tool" to keep his marriage together.

Disclaimer:

I just want to state that I am not implying he murdered Janet, simply thinking out loud about the "man" he comes across to me. :crazy:
 
irishrose said:
What if he wasn't just simply jealous of Janet's sport/academics, but *also* believed she could be the next Mia Hamm (sp?) of soccer? Janet was *very* good at what she did across the board. Use Janet's talents to achieve for himself? Another way of putting it: use another to get what you want/deserve (in your mind, anyway) without the work yourself....a young gold digger with dreams of being status happy, regardless of the expense of others.

Why would Raven respect Janet as a person when she could have been very possibly viewed as only a "meal ticket" to get ahead? Janet was a tool to achieve *his* needs, IMHO. I cannot help but wonder if Kaiden was another "tool" to keep his marriage together.

Disclaimer:

I just want to state that I am not implying he murdered Janet, simply thinking out loud about the "man" he comes across to me. :crazy:

I just don't get the sense that he was promoting Janet at all much less as a meal ticket. It's almost as if she is a non-entity, bit-player, or an after-thought in Raven's World. If he was using her to achieve the big-time, I would think that at least once through his web incarnations that she would have been truly featured. You can barely tell anything about her as a person through his sites.
 
PrayersForMaura said:
Everyone of you are posting such good posts, you all have me thinking!

I see this picture of Janet... she was an all-star at soccer, a good student, wanted to be a mother, devoted to her family, friends and religion. Found a job easily after having to leave her job with Raven in January.

I see Raven as someone who was born into hard times. On his blog he posted about his parents divorce. He didn't take his father's last name. Who knows if his siblings are all from the same father even. He had big dreams and is only able to make them come true in his mind and on his website. The car listed on his site is not the car he drives. He was charged with embezzling funds. His wife was the successful soccer star, found a job easily, while he seemed to fabricate himself to make him look and feel better. He appears to be lonely and to overcompensate for his shortcomings. I had found an email that he sent to a customer online with a typo in it and not the best grammar. Janet was clearly the trophy he so wanted to have for himself. Maybe he resented her? Maybe he was jealous.

I am just speculating here...
Well, I think you are headed in the right direction, frankly. Everything you said was spot-on with my thinking. He's over-compensating constantly, and they "conflicted in their ideas and opinions." If he bought into a lot of the religious teaching he had, he surely didn't like it if she was clearly the superior person when it came to relating to others, to being an athlete, to compensating. People sell short the competition factor between certain husbands and wives. My ex-wife and I were, married, two middling opera singers who could never properly support each other. Divorced we are far more supportive of each others careers and have actually had more success as singers individually because we tore ourselves loose from a mutual jealousy-go-round.
 
Strangely I feel as if we've come full circle and the most pressing question to me now is why were her co-workers were so concerned that she didn't respond to an email.

What knowledge did they have of Janet that made them worry or think she was in danger?
 
golfmom said:
Strangely I feel as if we've come full circle and the most pressing question to me now is why were her co-workers were so concerned that she didn't respond to an email.

What knowledge did they have of Janet that made them worry or think she was in danger?
yeah, especially when she had only been working there for a few months....
 
golfmom said:
I just don't get the sense that he was promoting Janet at all much less as a meal ticket. It's almost as if she is a non-entity, bit-player, or an after-thought in Raven's World. If he was using her to achieve the big-time, I would think that at least once through his web incarnations that she would have been truly featured. You can barely tell anything about her as a person through his sites.

I agree she was non-entity and was *never* valued as a beautiful I think she was. I was trying to explain that early on when she was a student at VSU, he was "taken" by her and impressed with her obvious soccer playing ability. What is the constant theme we have read according to his blogs/journal? Soccer.

Raven could not make it for himself as a career, yet as we all have read, he considered himself a semi-pro with enough background to offer clinics. I believe he found someone who was interested in soccer, something very much in common between the 2 of them. Through Janet, Raven was able to find acceptance perhaps for the very first time in his life. No family of his is ever shared except for the difficult times his mother and siblings went through. Oh, and his maternal grandfather. No true friends except the people he met while working at a bicycle shop or soccer "history".

Raven used Janet, IMHO, to make himself be better, feel more superior, and to help himself stroke his very large imagative ego. I also want to be sure to share that *noone* would ever be more important than himself.

Sorry, I guess I am more into, right now anyway, what his journals/blogs say to me. I consider that important when trying to work at a "picture" of a person. Also, call me a cynical lady. Seen this stuff, heard this stuff, and lived this stuff (notice past tense! :) ). There is much more to this young man than meets the eye and we have only been able to touch the bare surface of it.

I'll try to be better at keeping on a more direct thought so not to confuse anyone. Fascinating topic! ;)
 
golfmom said:
I'm not sure how it fits in right now, but I find it everything getting curiouser and curiouser. I find it very strange that Raven would link that email to page where he was trying to get a business going for himself training kids for soccer. I also find it odd that as a shared passion this wasn't something Janet and Raven were doing together. And finally, I find it odd that the Sparta site doesn't have Raven listed in its "hall of fame."

What is the Sparta site? Guess I missed that.
 
irishrose said:
Through Janet, Raven was able to find acceptance perhaps for the very first time in his life. No family of his is ever shared except for the difficult times his mother and siblings went through. Oh, and his maternal grandfather. No true friends except the people he met while working at a bicycle shop or soccer "history".

Raven used Janet, IMHO, to make himself be better, feel more superior, and to help himself stroke his very large imagative ego. I also want to be sure to share that *noone* would ever be more important than himself.

I'll try to be better at keeping on a more direct thought so not to confuse anyone. Fascinating topic! ;)

I think you've managed to draw a very clear picture ... isn't odd how familar this all sounds to some of the other recent crime cases that have captured public attention?
 
golfmom said:
I think you've managed to draw a very clear picture ... isn't odd how familar this all sounds to some of the other recent crime cases that have captured public attention?

Exactly. It's an art form for many of these people to betray a relationship, not solely by affairs, and it remains unseen by many until the bottom falls out. Sadly, many victims in *so* many ways.
 
golfmom said:
I'm not sure how it fits in right now, but I find it everything getting curiouser and curiouser. I find it very strange that Raven would link that email to page where he was trying to get a business going for himself training kids for soccer. I also find it odd that as a shared passion this wasn't something Janet and Raven were doing together. And finally, I find it odd that the Sparta site doesn't have Raven listed in its "hall of fame."
The Sparta site and lack of Raven's presence has nagged at me quite a bit as well, Golfmom. . I spent HOURS on their site, hoping to find him in a photo in the correct time frame, anything.
I came up completely empty.
This case is so very tragic and is turning into a major BRICK WALL.

Evidence testing should be wrapping up, DNA blood matches, if any, definitely should be in. What are the Durham PD/ Durham County Sheriff Dept. ratios of solved vs. open cases of violent crimes? ( Not sure if they lived in the city limits of Durham or not, so I added the Sheriff's department).

My frustration/ concern level is growing. Are yours, too, fellow WSers?

When have you, collectively, ever seen a case with a pretty young woman, married, with what would appear to be numerous family members with the ability to speak and move others to speak up with knowledge pertaining to her activities in the hours and days before her murder, and a BABY ( babies add another human interest dimension to brutal murders, ESPECIALLY when they were possibly in the home during the murder and left ALONE at the crimescene afterwards) totally be ignored in the media except for the initial reports of her death? I can only hope that Durham LE is keeping a lid on things for a very good reason.. We don't know that this is the case, though, and I think it is foolish to blindly assume that it is.

LE states that they have " no reason to believe this was a RANDOM crime". Was this said to put pressure on Raven, to allay fears of a killer on the loose in the suburbs of Durham, or simply because she was FOUND in her own home?

Have any of you seen the above combination of factors which should propel this story into national news and KEEP IT THERE fail to do so as in this case?

Is the difference in the level of media and national attention that they HAVE a body and a known crimescene, I wonder? No involvement of volunteers for searches for the pretty young mother this time? What factors create or prevent public and media apathy?
Laci, Lori Hacking, and Jennifer and Abby Blagg, the most recent similar murders, were all missing for months, their bodies dumped..
Janet, however, was found in her home, so the public was not involved in searches. Is THIS the difference???

For the first time in my life, I wish so much that I was a journalist, even if it meant being a stringer or a bottom feeder tabloid gofer who pays people for interviews. I WOULD be knocking on doors of co-workers, friends, neighbors, the babysitters, and especially the landlord, the only one to have spoken out thus far.. This is a newsworthy story, and it is a crime with so many unanswered questions..

The other concurrent and unrelated " news story" brought me here near the supposed conclusion.
I hope this is not my own misplaced blame, but it may be that the worst thing Jennifer did, coincidentally and unintentionally, of course, was to take ALL attention off Janet, Kaiden, and the obviously gruesome stabbing death which took place in secluded suburban North Carolina.
Think back to Laci Peterson, Lori Hacking, and Jennifer and Abby Blagg... what if the runaway bride story had played out on the first days and week of their disappearances?

I don't know where else to search for answers to the numerous case -related questions which keep nagging.
Questions such as:
Was the baby in the house at the time of the murder as it appears he was? If so, how long was the 6 month old alone with his dead mother? Was the family dog killed or moved from his usual habitat?
Were there signs of forced entry? Was the knife or knives which were used as weapons a part of the household knife set ( since multiple knives and scissors were taken into evidence)? Did she struggle with her attacker, since there are reports of blood smeared, not splattered, near an exit doorway?
What info does the autopsy report provide? Is the time of death collaborated by core temperature, state of blood coagulation, body condition?
Has Raven been interviewed by LE? Taken a polygraph?

LE states that they have " no reason to believe this was a RANDOM crime". Was this said to put pressure on Raven, to allay fears of a killer on the loose in the suburbs of Durham, or simply because she was FOUND in her own home and statistics in this country lead us to almost blindly believe that a resident of the household committed the crime? What about his ALIBI, attending a soccer game, which is said to be air-tight and with eyewitnesses?
I also don't think he had the means to hire a hit... and usually a hit is a clean shooting, not a contact crime like a stabbing. I do wonder what life insurance policies might exist on Janet, what the amounts were, and when they were issued, since it is known that financial problems were very severe in the household.

Related questions: Did Raven attend her funeral? Is he helping with plans for the memorial services reported to be in the works ( or already held)? Is Kaiden with him, with Janet's family, or somewhere else? ( One report states he is with " friends".) Has Janet's family had close and extended contact with him? Have his church members come forward to support him?

Where is Raven's website appeal to the public for information on Janet's murder? Where is the large photo of Janet with info about the unsolved murder of his wife which one could reasonably expect to see on HIS website, even if he had to ask a computer-skilled friend to post it for him, taking into consideration that reports state he is/ was incoherent with grief?
People KNOW he has a website or websites. It makes sense that HIS site or sites would have an appeal to the public for information, doesn't it?
Where is the Crime Stoppers appeal to the public for information leading to the apprehension and conviction of her killer? AMW, where are you?

Where is the appeal for info with her photo on this unsolved crime posted on ANYONE'S public website for that matter? Are there any flyers about her crime posted in her community and in the Raleigh/ Durham area?

Has the Carrington- Sund Foundation been contacted about adding her to their unsolved crime list/ reward for info status? She's NOT missing, she is dead.
This is an unsolved murder - where are the people who usually publicize a victim's name, information about the crime, and provide an anonymous tipline?

I don't think any of the reports I have read and re-read even LIST a phone number for people who might live in the area or who might have information related to the crime to call. I don't understand.
 
thinkoflaura ... I wanted to give you a high-five for a very interesting post.

I know a number of posters are beating themselves up over the whole missing bride story. Don't. Jennifer took resources away from numerous cases. I was upset at the time that there is a child that needs to be found in regards to the Disney *advertiser censored* case. A fraction of that kind of attention and the child would be found by now.

I can only hope that the Durham police are on top of things. Quite frankly, they way they've handled the case to date gives me hope as their actions seem meticulously professional. I think that eventually this story is going to hit and hit big at that. People are going to be scratching their heads wondering why they didn’t hear of this earlier.
 
golfmom said:
Strangely I feel as if we've come full circle and the most pressing question to me now is why were her co-workers were so concerned that she didn't respond to an email.

What knowledge did they have of Janet that made them worry or think she was in danger?
Computers.. we go back to the computer angle again, with good reason.
How many of you, WSers, have sent personal, non-work related emails to the home email addresses or address of relatively new co-workers or a co-worker? I never have. I was taught by my employer that it is not great netiquette. I also have always been leery of putting anything of personal significance into hard copy format and pressing " SEND". ( I should add that I have never felt threatened or lived in an area described as secluded, either).

My husband has rarely received any personal mail from a co-worker, and he WORKS in an IT- related field with people he has known for years. His world is saturated with computers and emails, but even the people he is close friends with at work do not email him personally.. they talk to him at work, or phone him after hours if a social event or communication occurs. An email could go unread for DAYS on his home computer!

Could it be that Janet sent the FIRST email contact out of necessity, and something in the message concerned her co-workers?

Why email instead of phoning? Why email a co-worker instead of contacting LE if she or a co-worker was concerned that she was in jeopardy? It's been established by their landlord that they lived in a rather isolated area, off a main road, in the woods. What spooked her into sending off an email? Could she have been in an IM with someone when she heard a noise that night? Or left a message in an IM to the effect of " BRB- someone's driving up our driveway" ( unpaved, so the car would be heard, I would think).. and never returned to the computer because she was attacked? To the best of my knowledge from what little is available to us, it appears that the blood trail is limited to the bedroom area and a nearby doorway. It also appears to me that from the very recent photos in the house of baby Kaiden and Raven at the computer that at least one of their computers is located in a bedroom. Look inside the open closet doors.

I have been thinking that maybe their phones were disconnected for a period of time before her murder, since there are conflicting stories about the 911 call as well. If they had cable Internet connections, maybe due to their financial situation they had their phones disconnected.
I can totally see a person who LIVES in the world of the Internet keeping his computer connection live but letting his traditional phone service go.
Would the household not have VOip capability then?

Where are the public statements from those same co-workers now? Is a media gag order in place already?
What was at least one of them concerned about and why hasn't anyone reported on this angle other than a bare bones basic statement?

Raven has a history of putting ALL of his life on the Internet, even if he does edit heavily from time to time. Janet had a BLOG.
Why has he not had someone put anything about his wife's murder on his site?

Also, what's up with the " We want our mommy" photo? I wonder when it was added?
 
I for one am extremely upset that this story has not been mentioned on court TV, Fox news or CNN.... it's definitely news worthy!
 
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