The Perfect Intruder?

[eileenhawkeye]

The archive search I normally use only goes back to 1981 and there are other archive databases but they look like they are 1800s news. It's very possible that if no other newspaper besides your local one ever wrote a story about the case, and if your local newspaper never archived their papers online, that it might be pretty much impossible to find it. :/

 

[SunnieRN]

I spent quite a long time looking and can tell you A LOT about Rockwood, TN, but couldn't find any links either. How very sad that these babies are gone. Rest in peace sweet ones. Becky, if not for you they would be forgotten.

 

[MurriFlower]

I spent quite a long time looking and can tell you A LOT about Rockwood, TN, but couldn't find any links either. How very sad that these babies are gone. Rest in peace sweet ones. Becky, if not for you they would be forgotten.

I think we need to solve this mystery. There are only about 5,500 people there now, so it was most likely smaller in the early 1970's. A murder of three children by their mother would not be likely to be forgotten.

I'm on it!!

 

[joeskidbeck]

I think we need to solve this mystery. There are only about 5,500 people there now, so it was most likely smaller in the early 1970's. A murder of three children by their mother would not be likely to be forgotten.

I'm on it!!

It's not been forgotten, that's for sure. I will always remember this. If my memory serves correctly, the mother didn't go to prison, but was institutionalized. I would say criminally insane or not guilty by reason of insanity, something to that affect. I am going to get in touch with a cousin of mine who is a teacher there and see if she can find something for me. Even an article from the paper that she could copy would be good.

BTW, someone once said on the original Tonight Show (pre Johnny Carson) that if you wanted to get away with murder, move to Roane Co. TN. Sadly, way back, that was no joke.

Sunni, not a lot to know about Rockwood, was there? Just a little hole in the wall, but it's where my great grandmother chose to raise 10 kids alone after her husband was killed in an accident in or around 1912!

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Now now, Megan Fox is from there! Doesn't that put them on the map?! (insert appropriate thingy here).

Yeah, these murders are hardly the kind of thing Rockwood is gong to put on the Chamber of Commerce page (although in researching TX schools, I found PLENTY of TX towns that bragged about who got shot where!)

Local newspaper archives are probably the way to go. Tell your cousin that she has folks "all around the world and parts of Arkansas" wanting to hear about this crime. (That's my best friend's favorite saying...he'll be so happy to know that for once it was finally used in a literal sense).

You can bet some of the older locals know all about this story as well. If we find the names, I can go on GenWeb and Find-A-Grave and find their final resting places, and we can leave comments if they are listed. If not...we will list them!!!

Beck, have you tried to google earth the house? Maybe that will bring back a memory or two.

Beck...after my GGGF (and maybe another G or two...can't remember exactly) died in North Carolina, my GGGM walked with 13 kids and one pack mule to resettle in Tennessee. Can you guys imagine!?

ETA: Beck, I hope the flu has let loose of you!

 

[otg]

Sunni, not a lot to know about Rockwood, was there? Just a little hole in the wall, but it's where my great grandmother chose to raise 10 kids alone after her husband was killed in an accident in or around 1912!

Beck, I'm just catching up on the forum. Looks like you've got all the big guns out looking for info on this. Probably just a little more to go on would help.

I did a quick look myself and ran across a recent news item that was interesting. Apparently a couple who had been charged with the rape of her 15-yo niece killed themselves. Lots of stuff on that, especially if you read the comments people make at the end of news articles. You know the story... "Church-going couple, everyone liked them, give you the shirt off their back, yada, yada, yada."

Here's a couple of links for anyone interested:
http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=12902090
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/rockwood-tn/TPAT4EEC45HOFS9R3

Also, you might try looking at some of the threads at Topix about Rockwood (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/rockwood-tn). A name might catch your eye. Or maybe even start a thread there asking someone from Rockwood to respond with information if they know about it. You don't have to register there to post (That's the good thing about it, and that's also the bad thing about it.)

Beck, I understand how a crime that in some way is close to you can really have an effect on you. I don't live too far from where Andrea Yates killed her five beautiful kids. I drive by the street where it happened on the way to other places often, and I still think about it every time. I've run into husband Rusty in local restaurants a couple of times since he has "moved on" and remarried.

Well, enough of all that. Try the Topix forum with whatever info you have or can remember.
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[my_tee_mouse]

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Beck,

Also, you might try looking at some of the threads at Topix about Rockwood (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/rockwood-tn). A name might catch your eye. Or maybe even start a thread there asking someone from Rockwood to respond with information if they know about it. You don't have to register there to post (That's the good thing about it, and that's also the bad thing about it.)

Wow! Great idea, otg!

Ain't the internet world grand?!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

And neither were the Ramseys. But that aside, did KJ recruit girls from the U.S.? Or do you think girls were being kidnapped from the U.S. and sold in Korea?

I post MAAM socialist, otg posts KJI lookalike, you post Don Ho and start babbling about kidnapping little girls.

Oh wait. Did you say KIDNAPPING? A MAAM+socialist+kidnapper+sharing paintbrush origin IS GIVEN A PASS??

Wow. Only in RDI.

 

[SunnieRN]

ABOUT THIS BOOK
On November 15, 1977, 13 year-old Megumi Yokota disappeared without a trace while on her way home from school. Twenty years later a newspaper revealed she was abducted by North Korean operatives and was still in North Korea. Megumi and at least 13 others were taken from coastal cities in Japan during the 1970s and 80s, shoved into holding cells on spy vessels, and shipped off to North Korea to train agents in Japanese culture and customs.

My tee, your question seemed very appropriate to me, considering this post. Yes if I had a junior school aged girl, I would be worried. I don't and I still am concerned about what these young girls went through.

You seem to be trying to infer that there may be a correlation between this, your MAAM, and Jon Benet's death, hotyh. so what is wrong with My tees question hotyh? If you were not trying to get anyone on the forum to see the possibility of a correlation, what were you trying to make us think? That N Korea is a sleeping giant? That they are subversive in their techniques?

Enlighten us hotyh, so that we might understand your point.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I post MAAM socialist, otg posts KJI lookalike, you post Don Ho and start babbling about kidnapping little girls.

Oh wait. Did you say KIDNAPPING? A MAAM+socialist+kidnapper+sharing paintbrush origin IS GIVEN A PASS??

Wow. Only in RDI.

Just trying to throw you a bone there, Hat. You keep wagging that stick. You don't give us much, but you imply that you have a big theory. And once again, when asked for your theory, you resort to insults. And when encouraged to come out and fit all these cryptic pieces of your puzzle together, you resort to insults. And yet you wonder why people don't give your ideas any credence.

I think you need to change the carrot on your stick. This one's getting all shriveled up.

 

[otg]

You're laughing, but I'm not:

"He recruited attractive young girls of junior high school age to take part in 'Joy Brigades,' whose function was to help in relaxation to his senior officials," said Jerrold Post, a former CIA profiler.

I take it you're not a parent of a young girl of junior high school age, right? Because you seem to take nothing seriously, not even child murder. Maybe your efforts are better spent educating yourself? Take a couple other posters with you please.

ABOUT THIS BOOK
On November 15, 1977, 13 year-old Megumi Yokota disappeared without a trace while on her way home from school. Twenty years later a newspaper revealed she was abducted by North Korean operatives and was still in North Korea. Megumi and at least 13 others were taken from coastal cities in Japan during the 1970s and 80s, shoved into holding cells on spy vessels, and shipped off to North Korea to train agents in Japanese culture and customs.

I post MAAM socialist, otg posts KJI lookalike, you post Don Ho and start babbling about kidnapping little girls.

Oh wait. Did you say KIDNAPPING? A MAAM+socialist+kidnapper+sharing paintbrush origin IS GIVEN A PASS??

Wow. Only in RDI.

Holdon, I'm beginning to think by your subtle hints, that you are trying to suggest that the "real" KJ-I is the person you suspect as "the prescient intruder", or at least the one responsible for JonBenet's "kidnapping" and death.

Megumi Yokota was kidnapped, along with at least a dozen other Japanese citizens, for the express purpose of teaching the North Koreans the Japanese language, dialects, and culture. The purpose of that was to educate North Korean agents so they could successfully spy on Sorth Korea.

This has absolutely nothing to do with a six-year-old American girl. It had nothing to do with pedophilia or the Gippeumjo. The Gippeumjo, or "Joy Brigade", were (or are) mostly between the ages of 18 and 25 -- though some were younger and some older. They are further divided into three groups: Manjokjo (those who give sexual pleasure), Haengbokjo (massages), and Gamujo (who perform half-naked).

Again, this has nothing to do with JonBenet Ramsey, and it's even more "off-topic" than anyone else discussing other murder cases in the U.S.

The fact that the word "Korea" was printed on the portion of the paintbrush that was tied into the cord around JB's neck means nothing more than that it was made in Korea, and that it happened to be there and available in Patsy's paint supplies when someone decided to pick it up and use it for whatever purpose it was used (and we can debate that).
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[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdon, I'm beginning to think by your subtle hints, that you are trying to suggest that the "real" KJ-I is the person you suspect as "the prescient intruder", or at least the one responsible for JonBenet's "kidnapping" and death.

Megumi Yokota was kidnapped, along with at least a dozen other Japanese citizens, for the express purpose of teaching the North Koreans the Japanese language, dialects, and culture. The purpose of that was to educate North Korean agents so they could successfully spy on Sorth Korea.

Stated as fact that which you cannot confirm. Not unusual for RDI.

This has absolutely nothing to do with a six-year-old American girl. It had nothing to do with pedophilia or the Gippeumjo. The Gippeumjo, or "Joy Brigade", were (or are) mostly between the ages of 18 and 25 -- though some were younger and some older. They are further divided into three groups: Manjokjo (those who give sexual pleasure), Haengbokjo (massages), and Gamujo (who perform half-naked).

Age stated as fact again you cannot confirm, in fact there are reports contradicting what you say: reports stating jr high school age which is 12-13. Known kidnap victims as young as 13. Feel free to contradict/circumvent those reports.

Again, this has nothing to do with JonBenet Ramsey, and it's even more "off-topic" than anyone else discussing other murder cases in the U.S.

How do you know? Since when is foreign faction kidnapping off topic? have you read the ransom note lately?

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The fact that the word "Korea" was printed on the portion of the paintbrush that was tied into the cord around JB's neck means nothing more than that it was made in Korea, and that it happened to be there and available in Patsy's paint supplies when someone decided to pick it up and use it for whatever purpose it was used (and we can debate that).
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Again, stated as fact as if you know. How do you know? Were you there?

Stated as fact many things which I presume you cannot confirm. Not unusual for RDI, seems like just a rant. Saying what you want to say regardless if its fact or not.

I think I understand now: PR writing the note is ON TOPIC, while foreign faction kidnappings are OFF TOPIC. Seems a bit totalitarian, doesn't it? Like you're dictating how it is supposed to go? Picking and choosing what YOU want.

 

[SunnieRN]

my responses bold



Again, stated as fact as if you know. How do you know? Were you there?

Stated as fact many things which I presume you cannot confirm. Not unusual for RDI, seems like just a rant. Saying what you want to say regardless if its fact or not.

I think I understand now: PR writing the note is ON TOPIC, while foreign faction kidnappings are OFF TOPIC. Seems a bit totalitarian, doesn't it? Like you're dictating how it is supposed to go? Picking and choosing what YOU want.

Your arguments to otg go both ways hotyh. You however cannot confirm any relationship to JonBenet from your MAAM posts. It is a known fact that Patsy, John and Burke were in the house that night, along with JB.

Give us the information we need to consider your theory. Not one article or statement that you later say is not what you were intending to communicate.

You posted a story on the kidnapping of a 13 year old, than ridiculed a poster for questioning what you were saying. Tell us your evidence, even if you don't have a suspect that can be named.

It's time to explain your ideas and why you find this a possibility.

If you want your theory to be considered, use this forum as an opportunity to inform. Not to ridicule, belittle and throw temper tantrums.

 

[SunnieRN]

Hotyh, you posted these links, then told otg that he stated these as facts. If they are not facts, why did you post them here yourself?

Also, what does this have to do with JonBenet and Boulder?

You're laughing, but I'm not:

"He recruited attractive young girls of junior high school age to take part in 'Joy Brigades,' whose function was to help in relaxation to his senior officials," said Jerrold Post, a former CIA profiler.

I take it you're not a parent of a young girl of junior high school age, right? Because you seem to take nothing seriously, not even child murder. Maybe your efforts are better spent educating yourself? Take a couple other posters with you please.

ABOUT THIS BOOK
On November 15, 1977, 13 year-old Megumi Yokota disappeared without a trace while on her way home from school. Twenty years later a newspaper revealed she was abducted by North Korean operatives and was still in North Korea. Megumi and at least 13 others were taken from coastal cities in Japan during the 1970s and 80s, shoved into holding cells on spy vessels, and shipped off to North Korea to train agents in Japanese culture and customs.

 

[UKGuy]

Hotyh, you posted these links, then told otg that he stated these as facts. If they are not facts, why did you post them here yourself?

Also, what does this have to do with JonBenet and Boulder?

SunnieRN,
Nothing. Nobody, to date, has published an IDI theory that explains all the crime-scene evidence.

In fact some IDI promoters do not even have a theory they simply cite the touch-dna ad-infinitum ...



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[SunnieRN]

SunnieRN,
Nothing. Nobody, to date, has published an IDI theory that explains all the crime-scene evidence.

In fact some IDI promoters do not even have a theory they simply cite the touch-dna ad-infinitum ...



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I totally agree with you UKGuy, but I would also like to see hotyh's theory presented in a logical, mature way, that makes sense, so that it can either be considered or discarded, once and for all.

 

[UKGuy]

I totally agree with you UKGuy, but I would also like to see hotyh's theory presented in a logical, mature way, that makes sense, so that it can either be considered or discarded, once and for all.

SunnieRN,

What theory? Logical , mature , makes sense. mmm, I wish you well.


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[BBB167893]

You are hallucinating. Seek help.

Normally, a statement like that would make me VERY angry, HOTYH. But in this case, I'll let it pass because I wish I'd never said it. I was raised better than that.

And I DID get help. I beat the s**t out of my punching bag.

 

[SunnieRN]

SunnieRN,

What theory? Logical , mature , makes sense. mmm, I wish you well.


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Hey UKGuy, a girls gotta try. Thanks for the well wishes. ;-)

 

[Steely]

When I was ten, the lady who lived next door to my grandma had three kids. The eldest was a boy who was 7, next a girl who was 4, and then a baby who was around six months. It was the day before Easter and she took them all to town and bought new Easter outfits for Church the next morning, waited till the 7 yo was asleep and then proceeded to strangle all three. This was way before the internet, I doubt there's a link, but I will search. Believe me, this is one I will never forget. I had played with the 7 yo as my sister was 6 at the time and I had to be outside with her when shen played with him. Try explaining that to a child. Hey, your friend is dead, his mom strangled him in his sleep last night. Nobody saw this coming, nobody. Who buys new outfits for the next day and kills their kids that night? Oh yes, a deranged mother who was under more stress than anyone could have realized and hid it very well. Actually, we never told my little sister, to this day, she thinks that family moved away.

This is so sad, joeskidbeck! It sounds like it is likely a case of postpartum psychosis. Often it starts within the first 4 weeks of giving birth, but that is not always the case and hormonal changes caused by an abrupt cessation of nursing may be a contributing factor in this disorder.

Quotes from:
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/166/4/405

"The prevalence of postpartum psychosis in the general population is 1–2 per 1,000 childbirths, and the rate is 100 times higher in women with bipolar disorder or a previous history of postpartum psychosis (1). Bipolar disorder and, to a lesser extent, schizophrenia have elevated prevalences in postpartum psychosis (2, 3)."


"Approximately 4% of women with postpartum psychosis commit infanticide (11)."

"In addition to the hormonal loss at delivery, Mrs. A abruptly discontinued breastfeeding, which represented another hormonal change. Although few data are available on the effects of breastfeeding on mood and mental status (23), it is notable that Mrs. A’s first failed infanticide attempt occurred within a week of discontinuation of nursing."