The Phone Calls in the early morning of Dec.18, 2013 (both PayPhone & cells)

[floridamomma]

I had a nightmare that hubby cheated. if Tammy was half as pissed as I was when I woke up.... lol poor hubs.

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[nosysw]

Is this a chain, sort of like how Olive Garden is, or Red Robin, something like that? I'll look it up... Heck, it probably wasn't even the restaurant anyway. Just speculation...

Here's what I found on Rosa Linda's (I thought it might be a chain because I had seen a couple of the MB locations over the years and there's one in North Virginia but I guess it's just a popular name for a Mexican Restaurantl):

http://www.myrtlebeachrestaurantnew...2720-restaurant-review-a-new-rosa-lindas.html

My thoughts almost exactly except that I think they saw Heather with her date and stalked them. Tammy getting twitcher to get to Heather and Sidney jilted, and a little pissed is ready to resolve the cause of his punishment. The more they drink, the better the idea becomes to them.

I feel like if they saw Heather on her date, LE knows that. They know everywhere Heather and SS went, and I'm sure they showed the M's pictures to everyone who worked in any establishment they went to, as well as viewed every parking log security camera of those establishments.

JMO, I can't change, or even form an opinion about SM; nothing to base it on. I feel like we know nothing about him, except that Heather seemed to have been involved with for several months, so she, at least, clearly found him worth her time. Otherwise, we have very little actual knowledge of, or words from him. JMO

I agree. The difficulty I have is that not knowing anything SM wrote, as I believe we're all in agreement that he did not make the FB posts, everytime I think of him, I think of him in that 'whipped husband' voice (for lack of a better term and no pun intended) because that's how those posts sounded. What man writes like that? So, when you put that voice, which I know is not really his but can't get out my head as how he sounds, with what we later found out about how he allowed her to dominate him, I have difficulty getting past thinking of him as a wimpy *advertiser censored** loser with no backbone who has no mind of his own, and who does whatever his mistress (and I don't mean Heather here) tells him to do. Now, this doesn't absolve him in any way, it's just a picture I can't get out of my head.

All, this to say, yes, we have nothing to base any feeling about SM on except what we've heard about certain actions he has been accused of participating in, and other actions which we know he participated in (cheating on his wife). There is no voice. (And I'm not including that kitty dum dum video because that actually tells me nothing.)

 

[intothedeep]

If the 1:35am pay phone call was made with TM's knowledge,
Does anyone think she would have allowed it to be made without listening in,
or at least hearing SM's side of the conversation?

Would it have come out by now if TM was videotaped at the Kangaroo during that call? If she was in the truck, would she have stayed in the truck knowing SM was calling Heather? If TM didn't know he was calling Heather, why on Earth would SM make the call with psycho jealous TM in the truck?

If this call was part of the M's plot and TM stayed in the car to avoid being later identified on video or by an eye-witness, then why would SM have lied about the call to LE, saying he hadn't spoken with Heather at all? If this was the reasoning for TM remaining in the truck, it would mean they had at least acknowledged the fact that the caller might be identified. If they'd acknowledged it at all, they would've discussed what to do should that actually happen.

Unless TM was standing right there beside SM at the pay phone (which would be on video), my gut tells me TM knew nothing about this particular call at the time, that this was a real call to Heather by SM, at least to the extent that he was attempting to "hook up."

 

[ISWMLE]

The above post makes a lot of sense to me. I too don't believe the 1:35 pay phone call was a set up call. I've always had the impression that the Ms had an argument and TM threw SM out of the truck. He had no where to go so he called Heather or he found out that his obsessed wife sent pics of them from the truck to Heather. He could have had it with his wife. He was maybe apologizing to Heather. I only think this because I have to rationalize why Heather would bother meeting him at PTL. JMO

 

[NWLady]

Here is my current theory and thoughts about what happened. It is the theory I seem to be stuck on, not saying I don't have other thoughts in mind and/or other possibilities of what may have happened. IMO, SM is guilty of murder whether he actively participated or whether he participated in the cover-up, whether he lured her out or not. Why do I say this...because he is the one who had the affair. He is a grown man, married with a family. Yet, he chose to have the affair. And yes I realize it takes two people to consent to the affair; however, he was married, Heather was not! Am I saying the courts should find him guilty of murder because he had an affair?? No, that's not what I am saying as we all know that's not how it works, but in my heart, he IS GUILTY because he is the reason why Heather is no longer with us.

Why do I think they took Heather's life? As to not violate TOS, I feel SM and Heather shared a common connection. I think the affair/fling was over, I think Heather was attempting to move on, however this wasn't enough for TM because of what the future would hold. I feel Heather was taken from PTL, against her will, taken somewhere and given her options per TM of either this, that or else. I think the $5000 withdrawal that was mentioned was to pay Heather off. I don't think the M's and Heather could come to an agreement so SM and TM chose what they thought was their only other option, murder her. I do not feel that Heather will be found because the amount of hatred TM had for her, and TM's feelings of grandiose would lead her to believe that that's THE only way she could ever be charged was IF they found Heather's body. I refuse to let my mind go to where I think of what she may have went through.

I also feel that TM AND SM were equally involved and SM will NOT talk because he is just as guilty as she is. On the other hand, I do not hesitate for one minute to think that TM may try and throw him under the bus (if she hasn't already).

I also do believe that TM and SM were both in on the plan of calling Heather from the payphone so that the call would not show up on their phones. They did not expect that she would call back on SM's phone because I do think the affair had ended and they knew the only way that Heather would hopefully answer was if the call was from a number other than their own. Did she go to PTL to meet just SM? I think that's what Heather thought, but I don't think that's what the M's had plans for. I think they both planned to be there and I think they both were there.

Also, the pic of TM holding the gun with SM by her side and they are both just a smiling. I think that picture was meant to be intimidating, antagonizing and threatening. Otherwise, what purpose did it serve??? I have had a CWP (Concealed Weapons Permit) for 30+ years and never would the thought ever cross my mind to have a picture taken of me posing with my weapon!

JMO, MOO, my own thoughts and my own opinions...

 

[RoxanneRoxannaDana]

I agree with most of your post, NW Lady. I'm not so sure about a $5,000 "pay-off" to Heather, though. There is only one reason I can think of why that may have been the case and it can't be mentioned here, but in any event, I don't think that was the situation.

While we don't know much from SM himself, I do think it's tells us a lot that he submitted to having Tammy's name tattooed across his UPA. Let's face it. A tattoo on any part of the body is a pretty permanent commitment. The placement of his Tammy tattoo screams, "I am whipped beyond any help!"

 

[NWLady]

Yes, the "connection" I am thinking about cannot be discussed but I do think it plays a part in all of this and the cash withdrawal. JMO

 

[intothedeep]

LE stated SM was at home when Heather's cell connected with SM's cell at 3:17am.

If LE determined SM was at home through his cell GPS, then wouldn't they have the exact location of his phone when Heather's cell called 4 times between 3:38am and 3:41am?

 

[momrids6]

LE stated SM and TM were BOTH at home when Heather's cell connected with SM's cell at 3:17am. How did they know TM was at home?

If LE determined SM was at home through his cell GPS, then wouldn't they have the exact location of his phone when Heather's cell called 4 times between 3:36am and 3:39am?

Elder said at 3:17 a.m., Elvis had a four-minute conversation with someone on Sidney’s cell phone. At that point, GPS showed that Elvis was still at home and Moorer’s cell phone was still at the Moorer home.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/article_588cb81e-ae0b-11e3-86e2-0017a43b2370.html

I have seen it written both ways- and now can't find a complete photo of that typewritten page. Every one I have found has that part of the text cut off.


3:17 am .. Heather calls Sidney's phone and has a 4:15 minutes conversation with Sidney. Heather is at her home at this point. Sidney is at his home which is approx. 3 miles from the boat landing. After this conversation, Heather gets into her car and drives directly to Peachtree Boat Landing. Sidney also denies this conversation until police confront him with Heather's phone record and then he says he did talk to her but it was just to tell her to quit calling and leave them alone.

bbm; http://www.wbtw.com/story/24992456/...-accused-of-killing-20-year-old-missing-woman

 

[CHERIE.T]

Imo the 5000.00 was run money for the M's. Simple I know.

 

[Softail]

It has a pairing system- uses your phone- which is connected via bluetooth to the truck's computer.

http://www.ford.com/technology/sync/

Ford SYNC is a factory-installed, integrated in-vehicle communications and entertainment system that allows users to make hands-free telephone calls, control music and perform other functions with the use of voice commands.[1][2] The system consists of applications and user interfaces developed by Ford and other third-party developers, and runs on the Windows Embedded Automotive operating system designed by Microsoft.

Ford Sync - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"MyFord Touch infotainment interface debut in the lineup. Sync voice-activation controls are larger, too, and the system now is available across a wider range of trims."

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2013/#overview-pod-anchor

The more I think about it, if the Moorer's truck had Sync - I bet they can tell exactly where that vehicle went.

The GPS portion has memory. If I program a destination in it, later on I can use "previous destinations" to go to the same place. Granted, they probably didn't program anything in it. If I am just driving somewhere without programming anything in it, there is a map on the screen that shows me where I am as I drive. I'm hoping there is a way to access the system, and see the memory of where that vehicle has been. There has to be a way to do that.

 

[Madeleine74]

Yes, the "connection" I am thinking about cannot be discussed but I do think it plays a part in all of this and the cash withdrawal. JMO

This makes no logical sense to me and I just don't see how this plays out.

1. There had been no contact after November 1 between Heather or either of the M's and allegedly the affair ended in October. (source: Horry County LE)

2. Then, December 18 at 1:35 AM Sydney initiates a call out of the blue to Heather, ostensibly to lore her out in a plot with his wife. That's 6 or 7 weeks with no contact between them. (It seems strange to me the M's wouldn't have known about any issue prior to Heather's last contact on Nov 1, had there been such an issue.)

3. Had Sydney not called Heather on December 18 she wouldn't have talked to or seen him; she had already stopped seeing/talking to him and moved on. Evidence: 6 or 7 weeks of not seeing or speaking to him prior to Dec 18th.

4. The $5000 was withdrawn after Heather's murder and not given to anyone as far as we know. LE found $10K in cash in the M's home/safe. More likely they were stockpiling some funds to flee or at least were contemplating it. (source: TM's emails/txt messages)

 

[Surfside]

If the 1:35am pay phone call was made with TM's knowledge,
Does anyone think she would have allowed it to be made without listening in,
or at least hearing SM's side of the conversation?

Would it have come out by now if TM was videotaped at the Kangaroo during that call? If she was in the truck, would she have stayed in the truck knowing SM was calling Heather? If TM didn't know he was calling Heather, why on Earth would SM make the call with psycho jealous TM in the truck?

If this call was part of the M's plot and TM stayed in the car to avoid being later identified on video or by an eye-witness, then why would SM have lied about the call to LE, saying he hadn't spoken with Heather at all? If this was the reasoning for TM remaining in the truck, it would mean they had at least acknowledged the fact that the caller might be identified. If they'd acknowledged it at all, they would've discussed what to do should that actually happen.

Unless TM was standing right there beside SM at the pay phone (which would be on video), my gut tells me TM knew nothing about this particular call at the time, that this was a real call to Heather by SM, at least to the extent that he was attempting to "hook up."

The above post makes a lot of sense to me. I too don't believe the 1:35 pay phone call was a set up call. I've always had the impression that the Ms had an argument and TM threw SM out of the truck. He had no where to go so he called Heather or he found out that his obsessed wife sent pics of them from the truck to Heather. He could have had it with his wife. He was maybe apologizing to Heather. I only think this because I have to rationalize why Heather would bother meeting him at PTL. JMO

I completely agree. I can't make it make sense, otherwise. I think the payphone call to Heather was legitimate, on SM's part. I imagine the sexcapades being fueled by alcohol, and SM doing what he always does - humoring TM to avoid a huge fight. Only, an eventual fight happened between them, anyway. With TM passed out at home, SM couldn't access his phone, without the code, so he left her there, and went to the payphone to call Heather. It was cold that night, by MB standards, so he didn't just sit at the payphone, after Heather dismissed his claims of leaving TM. He went back home. Heather couldn't get it out of her head, so she called the payphone back. SM wasn't there, so she called his cell. By that time, he may have also been sleeping it off. The second call to his phone (or maybe even the first) woke up TM & SM and one of them answered. After that???

JMO and stuff.

ETA: I just read a scenario, where the fight ensued after the Broadway at the Beach IE, and TM kicked SM out of the truck, explaining why he chose a payphone at 10th Ave N. This also makes total sense. Dangit. Just when I think I have something, I end up with something slightly or even completely different every time.

 

[NWLady]

This makes no logical sense to me and I just don't see how this plays out.

1. There had been no contact after November 1 between Heather or either of the M's and allegedly the affair ended in October. (source: Horry County LE)

2. Then, December 18 at 1:35 AM Sydney initiates a call out of the blue to Heather, ostensibly to lore her out in a plot with his wife. That's 6 or 7 weeks with no contact between them. (It seems strange to me the M's wouldn't have known about any issue prior to Heather's last contact on Nov 1, had there been such an issue.)

3. Had Sydney not called Heather on December 18 she wouldn't have talked to or seen him; she had already stopped seeing/talking to him and moved on. Evidence: 6 or 7 weeks of not seeing or speaking to him prior to Dec 18th.

4. The $5000 was withdrawn after Heather's murder and not given to anyone as far as we know. LE found $10K in cash in the M's home/safe. More likely they were stockpiling some funds to flee or at least were contemplating it. (source: TM's emails/txt messages)

Thank you. I misunderstood when the $5,000 was withdrawn.

 

[TTF14]

I completely agree. I can't make it make sense, otherwise. I think the payphone call to Heather was legitimate, on SM's part. I imagine the sexcapades being fueled by alcohol, and SM doing what he always does - humoring TM to avoid a huge fight. Only, an eventual fight happened between them, anyway. With TM passed out at home, SM couldn't access his phone, without the code, so he left her there, and went to the payphone to call Heather. It was cold that night, by MB standards, so he didn't just sit at the payphone, after Heather dismissed his claims of leaving TM. He went back home. Heather couldn't get it out of her head, so she called the payphone back. SM wasn't there, so she called his cell. By that time, he may have also been sleeping it off. The second call to his phone (or maybe even the first) woke up TM & SM and one of them answered. After that???

JMO and stuff.

ETA: I just read a scenario, where the fight ensued after the Broadway at the Beach IE, and TM kicked SM out of the truck, explaining why he chose a payphone at 10th Ave N. This also makes total sense. Dangit. Just when I think I have something, I end up with something slightly or even completely different every time.

This has been my theory as well, as to how he ended up at the pay phone.

 

[momrids6]

This makes no logical sense to me and I just don't see how this plays out.

1. There had been no contact after November 1 between Heather or either of the M's and allegedly the affair ended in October. (source: Horry County LE)

RSBM:
Is there a quote somewhere that they had no contact at all? I have only seen this: bbm

"No phone calls or text messages were exchanged between the Moorers and Elvis between Nov. 5 and Dec. 17, the night before the 20-year-old disappeared. Elder said on the night of Dec. 17, Elvis returned home from a date."

Read more here: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/20...imony-weaves-a-tale-of-how.html#storylink=cpy

eta: http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/article_588cb81e-ae0b-11e3-86e2-0017a43b2370.html?mode=jqm

 

[intothedeep]

I completely agree. I can't make it make sense, otherwise. I think the payphone call to Heather was legitimate, on SM's part. I imagine the sexcapades being fueled by alcohol, and SM doing what he always does - humoring TM to avoid a huge fight. Only, an eventual fight happened between them, anyway. With TM passed out at home, SM couldn't access his phone, without the code, so he left her there, and went to the payphone to call Heather. It was cold that night, by MB standards, so he didn't just sit at the payphone, after Heather dismissed his claims of leaving TM. He went back home. Heather couldn't get it out of her head, so she called the payphone back. SM wasn't there, so she called his cell. By that time, he may have also been sleeping it off. The second call to his phone (or maybe even the first) woke up TM & SM and one of them answered. After that???

JMO and stuff.

ETA: I just read a scenario, where the fight ensued after the Broadway at the Beach IE, and TM kicked SM out of the truck, explaining why he chose a payphone at 10th Ave N. This also makes total sense. Dangit. Just when I think I have something, I end up with something slightly or even completely different every time.

This makes total sense to me. And Heather could've been in the process of wrapping up her date when SM called. SM may have felt she "blew him off" if she wasn't in the position to have a long conversation. In theory, this call by SM was totally out of the blue.

 

[intothedeep]

The only part I question about the scenario in which a fight led TM to leave SM careless near 10th Avenue is whether TM's state of mind would allow her to leave SM alone (unsupervised) even if she was mad, drunk or both.

If I'm psycho jealous over my younger husband and his much younger lover and I've had my husband on a choke chain since we got back in town 6 days before, and I code lock his phone, chain him to the bed at night and accompany him to job sites... Am I really going to leave him on the side of the road somewhere? Or worse, at a club or bar?

Based on Tammy's other behaviors, I think she might hesitate to leave SM alone anywhere he might have the opportunity to call Heather, especially after he'd been "ditched" by TM. I agree, it's still a good theory though. If TM was drunk and irrational, anything's possible.

I'm thinking he went back out to use the pay phone, then Heather cut the call short to wrap up her date. He didn't know where her new apartment was, so he had no choice but to go back home where an enraged TM awaited.

 

[CarmonCayman]

Could Heather have been calling Tammy when she called SMs cell.

Consider that Tammy had threatened Heather in Nov and Heather responded that Tammy had nothing to worry about.

Consider that someone, TM I beleive, told HE that SM no longer had a cell phone .

Consider we do not know of any contact between Heather and Sidney between that call and the pay phone call.

Consider we know it was SM on the pay phone since Heather told her roommate that (something SM and TM would not have anticipated but thank God she did)

HE could have been calling TM for a number of reasons. Possibly to verify what SM told her. Maybe to say she was done with SM and tell her about the call SM made. All among other possibilities.

Where I am going is that I believe Heather knew SM did not have a cell and that would have been reinforced by SMs call from a pay phone. It is possible HE called the cell to Specifically talk to TM.

I think it was supposed to be a set up with the pay phone call but when that didn't work they just went home. HE call to the cell have them another opportunity. But maybe HE thought she was meeting TM. I could see TM being quite the actress to get HE to meet her there.

Just another possibility with the sam sad ending.




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[hockeymom4]

ETA: I just read a scenario, where the fight ensued after the Broadway at the Beach IE, and TM kicked SM out of the truck, explaining why he chose a payphone at 10th Ave N. This also makes total sense. Dangit. Just when I think I have something, I end up with something slightly or even completely different every time.

Did you read this on one of the Heather threads or in MSM? Interesting.