The Psychological Anatomy of a John: Connections Between USASexGuide and Potential Victims

[eagleyeseymour]

I read a post on USASexGuide recently where someone mentioned the site existing before 1999, but I don't know how many years before that it was up and running. I can't see any way he isn't a "hobbyist". He knows the sex trade well, the mentality of prostitutes, what type of sex worker is ideal for his purposes. He likely spends hours trolling escort ads. It probably takes him a long time to find someone suitable. Just imagine how many sex workers he's seen who he hasn't hurt and have no idea what he really is? Truth is, he doesn't hurt most of the sex workers he sees. He choose Melissa, Maureen, Megan, Amber, etc for a reason. I think he's very well versed in the ins and outs of sex work. The way tricks reminisce on those forums reminds me of how serial killers relive their kills and fantasize about them during their cooling off periods. It's something to tide them over til the next one.

I'm glad you enjoyed this post, I've always enjoyed reading your analyses/theories about this case!

I think of this all the time. He's probably solicited with and interacted with many over the years. Unless he gives no indication whatsoever that he is dangerous, I find it hard to believe he's never creeped out a sex worker. My belief is that someone as violent as him can only compartmentalize themselves so long before their rage or darkness makes itself apparent.

Unfortunately, many of the sex workers live in their own world. They travel and move about, many suffer from addictions. They encounter so many odd men that it would have to be a combination of an astute woman who follows the news and knows of the case and him slipping up in some way. If he's on his best behavior when he's with the woman with the world best memory, no go. If he has a Freudian slip or tries something with a strung out traveling woman, no go.

He'd have to give off bad vibes, in a memorable way to a woman with a strong mind. I still think "the public" being the best source of information is more so "the sex working community" being the best source of information. They are members of the public after all. In many past cases where prostitutes are targeted, typically the detectives interview women in the trade , who many times have pointed them in the right direction.

 

[eagleyeseymour]

I read a post on USASexGuide recently where someone mentioned the site existing before 1999, but I don't know how many years before that it was up and running. I can't see any way he isn't a "hobbyist". He knows the sex trade well, the mentality of prostitutes, what type of sex worker is ideal for his purposes. He likely spends hours trolling escort ads. It probably takes him a long time to find someone suitable. Just imagine how many sex workers he's seen who he hasn't hurt and have no idea what he really is? Truth is, he doesn't hurt most of the sex workers he sees. He choose Melissa, Maureen, Megan, Amber, etc for a reason. I think he's very well versed in the ins and outs of sex work. The way tricks reminisce on those forums reminds me of how serial killers relive their kills and fantasize about them during their cooling off periods. It's something to tide them over til the next one.

I'm glad you enjoyed this post, I've always enjoyed reading your analyses/theories about this case!

I think of this all the time. He's probably solicited with and interacted with many over the years. Unless he gives no indication whatsoever that he is dangerous, I find it hard to believe he's never creeped out a sex worker. My belief is that someone as violent as him can only compartmentalize themselves so long before their rage or darkness makes itself apparent.

Unfortunately, many of the sex workers live in their own world. They travel and move about, many suffer from addictions. They encounter so many odd men that it would have to be a combination of an astute woman who follows the news and knows of the case and him slipping up in some way. If he's on his best behavior when he's with the woman with the world best memory, no go. If he has a Freudian slip or tries something with a strung out traveling woman, no go.

He'd have to give off bad vibes, in a memorable way to a woman with a strong mind. I still think "the public" being the best source of information is more so "the sex working community" being the best source of information. They are members of the public after all. In many past cases where prostitutes are targeted, typically the detectives interview women in the trade , who many times have pointed them in the right direction.

 

[Ktsleuth]

moving my comment to a different thread.,...

 

[DetectiveB]

I think of this all the time. He's probably solicited with and interacted with many over the years. Unless he gives no indication whatsoever that he is dangerous, I find it hard to believe he's never creeped out a sex worker. My belief is that someone as violent as him can only compartmentalize themselves so long before their rage or darkness makes itself apparent.

Unfortunately, many of the sex workers live in their own world. They travel and move about, many suffer from addictions. They encounter so many odd men that it would have to be a combination of an astute woman who follows the news and knows of the case and him slipping up in some way. If he's on his best behavior when he's with the woman with the world best memory, no go. If he has a Freudian slip or tries something with a strung out traveling woman, no go.

He'd have to give off bad vibes, in a memorable way to a woman with a strong mind. I still think "the public" being the best source of information is more so "the sex working community" being the best source of information. They are members of the public after all. In many past cases where prostitutes are targeted, typically the detectives interview women in the trade , who many times have pointed them in the right direction.

Kim, Amber's sister, was said to have had an odd encounter w a man...(not sure if you've read before or not)

"As days began to turn into months, no answers presented themselves. Kim began to wonder about a client she had had in the weeks before Amber's disappearance: a white guy, who drove a truck and owned a tugboat business. Apparently he had had a box of women's sexual devices, and seemed rather aggressive: at one point, when he was with Kim, he held her throat and began to slightly choke her.

Kim recalled this rough encounter after Amber's disappearance, and also recalled telling Amber about him as being an easy paycheck. She had no way of asking Amber whether she followed up on it, however. "

The Long Island Serial Killer — Unresolved

 

[DetectiveB]

When doing research/google if you put in "Remy" in USASexGuide there are some postings made back in 2003. It appears to be photos of girls? but I cannot tell if they've been removed, nor sure if it's the same Remy. There is also a member by the name "robbidick" who seems to be aggressively searching for a gal who is into blindfolds, shackles, feathers, collars, cuffs, etc.
In addition and I know this is a bit off topic but there was another guy from Sound Beach who was recently sentenced back in Sept for prostitution ring. While digging around I just find it some overwhelming how so many men are involved in hunting women, they should just put bars around the whole damn island. It's despicable. So many to choose from.
Man admits running a prostitution ring out of a sex dungeon in his PARENTS' basement | Daily Mail Online

 

[Chthonian_Progeny]

Since this post seems to have been well received, I'm going to continue to share my findings from USASexGuide. This is something everyone should find interesting:

I was going through the “Backpage Advertiser Reviews” thread on the Manhattan subsection of USASexGuide. I went all the way to the last page so I could see the earliest posts. The earliest post was made on 05/29/2010. Curiously enough, it reviews someone named “Jasmine”, which was a name Megan Waterman advertised under. She went missing on 06/06/2010. After the 05/29/2010 post, the next one was made on 09/01/2010. Amber Costello went missing 09/02/2010. The next post after the 09/01/2010 post was made on 10/27/2010, then one on 10/29/2010. After that, the thread is silent until 01/04/2011. As we all know, the GB4 were found that December. After 01/04/2011 the thread picks up the pace, averaging a few posts per day, sometimes per week. But there again are more strange gaps. The next gap is between 01/26/2011 and 03/01/2011. After the post from 03/01/2011, there is immediately yet another gap, this time until 06/02/2011. It’s only at that point that the thread resumes a relatively normal pattern of posting, usually with multiple posts per day. Sometimes there is a gap for a few weeks, but never multiple months, especially coinciding with important LISK related dates.

What does it mean? I don’t know, I can only theorize. My theory is that when the news broke about the GB4 being found, they went back in certain threads and mass deleted posts from certain time periods, just in case there was any information that might be incriminating. By incriminating I do not mean that LISK was there posting openly, everyone knew, or some kind of conspiracy theory. I just mean tricks might have gotten paranoid about LE prowling their threads and possibly contacting them as potential POIs. I think it was likely more of an “I don’t want to deal with the hassle” situation than anything. But one thing’s for sure, we will never know the contents of the posts made during the various blackout periods.

This is brilliant! You should work as an actual detective! <modsnip> You are very intelligent to say the least. Thank you for all your effort and digging. Please share more insights with us, we need more people like you.

 

[jim lucier]

Please bear with me as this is my first time starting a thread, so I hope I'm doing it right! This is information I have been wanting to share for some months now. I'd also like to add a disclaimer that if anyone would like to use my research for a podcast, documentary, or any other kind of media, I'd be very happy for this information to be brought to a wider audience, but please contact me before doing so. Now for the real post:

I believe many of us here are aware of a sex worker review site called Utopia Guide, but I'm unsure if many are aware of another sex worker review site called USASexGuide. USASexGuide has been around for at least the past two decades-- their archives go back to 2000, but I believe there was an earlier incarnation of the site which can no longer be accessed. The site breaks down into sections for each state, subsections for each city, and then subsections for different types of sex workers such as street walkers, escorts, strip clubs, etc. I have scoured thousands of pages of reviews over the past couple of months in hopes of finding clues: any reviews of sex workers matching the description of LISK victims, any photos of LISK victims, and any frequent posters I personally found suspicious. In doing so, I have gotten a rather deep glimpse into the psychological anatomy of a john, as well as a potential lead regarding Jessica Taylor. I'd like to share my findings with you all, as I believe this can help us all understand what drives these men, how they perceive sex workers, and how they behave with them. My focus here is on girls who work the streets as I found those posts to be the most revealing.

Something that has been discussed in the street walker section for Long Island is how they make these girls comfortable. One poster wrote the following:

"Then I saw a WSW [white street walker] in black on black. She gave me a wave and after looping around a bit, I managed to scoop her up on a back road. Said her name was [redacted]. She was a little scared at first, but relaxed after I told her how many local girls I knew."

Mentioning the names of many other "local girls" is a great way to put someone at ease-- victim or not. Please bear in mind I do not mean to insinuate that any of the posters I'm quoting are LISK. This post is purely for context purposes.

One of the most disturbing things my research has uncovered is the ways in which the johns talk about not the girls but themselves as well. Here are some examples:

"She is not a pro, just a loose headed girl in need of some cash. In order for me to keep her low I will need some assistance from some of you guys that are truly hobbiest [sic]. I will offer her something like two or three guys a week so she will be private stock. Fresh meat."

"I had even made contact with [redacted]'s agent and he wanted me to sample two of his products."

You will see the johns very frequently refer to themselves as "hobbyists" and "mongers". This is a way of rationalizing and normalizing their behavior. Perhaps at the beginning this is a way to psychologically comfort themselves into thinking there isn't anything wrong with their behavior, but I suspect as time goes on and they become more entrenched in the "hobby", they start to truly believe it is a hobby. Referring to the girls as "stock" reveals how they see them as a commodity, an item, a thing. A product, fresh meat, ready for consumption. This is just how they talk about them online, and if they're talked about in such a degrading way on a public forum, you can only imagine how they're treated, even by the johns who don't kill them. Many men pick up girls they know are deep into addiction (and physically show it) because they know they'll do almost anything for a low price. But I digress.

"I have been studying the area for weeks now and believe me I know what I am talking about. There are many amateurs around who are very cautious covering themselves. But with time and effort you can distinguish becuz [sic] they always leave you with a clue which you need to stiff it out. We are the hunters, aren't we?"

This tells you a lot about these people. They enjoy the hunt, as they call it. While I have no direct quotes, I have seen numerous johns describe enjoying the hunt as much as they enjoy the sex. It's something they spend a lot of time doing and perfecting over the years. Remember, these guys don't just go out and pick up the first girl they see. They find one to their liking, and that takes time and effort. If you consider Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack LISK victims, this is something he undoubtedly spent a lot of time doing. If you only consider the GB4 LISK victims, it's a similar concept, but via a computer screen. Here are two more examples of johns referring to hunting and describing hunting:

"I will adjust my hunting hours."
"Anytime I got to 28 and Park there's always a man driving a pick up truck that says Metro Auto Body. He just sits there at nighttime and watches the SWs and drives around the whole hoe stroll."

Now that I've delved into all that, I'd like to spend a bit of time discussing a potential connection I found to Jessica Taylor, her pimp Remy, and an unidentified street walker I found a photo of on USASexGuide. I considered just posting this in her thread, but decided to just do it here as it's inherently intertwined with USASexGuide.

As most of us know, Jessica had a tattoo that said "Remy". Remy's real name is Khalil White. He can be seen in the photo below, presumably with his other girls. The girl to his right (our left) is believed to be Jessica Taylor:

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What I like to do for all the victims is go to which subsection they are most likely to be discussed in, then go through the posts from around the time period they disappeared. While this thus far hasn't yielded any leads on the GB4 or Valerie Mack, there was one post from 2003 in the street walker subsection of the Manhattan section that immediately caught my eye:

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Cropped for obvious reasons. This could just be a coincidence, but I could not ignore the fact that her tattoo bears the pseudonym of a pimp who was active in NYC in 2003. Furthermore, I wanted you all to weigh in on whether or not you think she resembles this girl in a photo of just her, Jessica, and KW/Remy:

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Cropped, again, for obvious reasons. I think the girl in the photo with Jessica and Remy is a bit too dark to be the girl in the USASexGuide photos, but the former photo is quite underexposed and the latter is potentially overexposed due to the flash. It's possible the other girl with the Remy tattoo has no connection to Khalil White of course, and it's also possible she is one of his girls who is in none of the photos with him. I'd also like it if you all could weigh in regarding whether or not either of the two women resemble any of the girls in the group photo.

This research took me a very long time to do, so I hope it helps people understand the way a john's mind works, how they view sex workers (particularly street walkers), and how they view themselves and their "hobby".

Thank you for posting this. Incredibly revealing. What I find particularly disturbing is that these guys communicate and talk about human beings like they are hunting deer. Your post also makes we wonder if these guys actually connect in person and stalk their prey together. If so, that would help explain some anomalies in the manner that victims were disposed of on Gilgo Beach.

 

[Keylimeeye]

I’ve always been curious about what DS mentioned in LISK about a client of Amber’s who was an outcall in a motel room. When she got to the room he opened the door in a leather BDSM mask and had torture devices strewn about the room. Amber called DS for help as they were waiting nearby as security and DS started beating the man with a bat. He said the John must’ve been on some crazy drugs because he was able to withstand repeated beatings by a baseball bat to the skull. Seems like meth to me or maybe even crack? We know JB enjoyed crack. It just seemed to present a lot of similarity to what we now know about the torture DVD in JB’s possession.

 

[ListeningAndWatching]

I’ve always been curious about what DS mentioned in LISK about a client of Amber’s who was an outcall in a motel room. When she got to the room he opened the door in a leather BDSM mask and had torture devices strewn about the room. Amber called DS for help as they were waiting nearby as security and DS started beating the man with a bat. He said the John must’ve been on some crazy drugs because he was able to withstand repeated beatings by a baseball bat to the skull. Seems like meth to me or maybe even crack? We know JB enjoyed crack. It just seemed to present a lot of similarity to what we now know about the torture DVD in JB’s possession.

At the risk of sounding like I am in defense of JB, just as stated in The Killing Season with regard to murder maps, there are far more (active) serial killers than we could imagine, I will say that there are far more sexual deviants in this world than the average person might imagine. So although I am not ruling him out (despite him being a possible Man-Behind-The-Gimp-Veil) I think the statistical likelihood of it being him behind that mask is most probably not as high. Also ‘The Gimp” was reported to be high physical energy and I think he took off running. Hard to imagine someone of JB’s age and physical stature being a sprinter.

 

[Deteckel]

Ive always thought it was more than one person involved. With Shannon i think JB was just doing his own thing that night, and went it got out of hand he called in backup

 

[Keylimeeye]

At the risk of sounding like I am in defense of JB, just as stated in The Killing Season with regard to murder maps, there are far more (active) serial killers than we could imagine, I will say that there are far more sexual deviants in this world than the average person might imagine. So although I am not ruling him out (despite him being a possible Man-Behind-The-Gimp-Veil) I think the statistical likelihood of it being him behind that mask is most probably not as high. Also ‘The Gimp” was reported to be high physical energy and I think he took off running. Hard to imagine someone of JB’s age and physical stature being a sprinter.

I agree with you, it’s just interesting. Not saying the gimp mask guy is LISK just a curious coincidence given what we know now. While there are many predators around I think the amount of people who actually own torture devices are probably slim when compared with the general population.

 

[Keylimeeye]

Ive always thought it was more than one person involved. With Shannon i think JB was just doing his own thing that night, and went it got out of hand he called in backup

I’m of the belief that it’s a cult activity and within this cult is a hierarchy.

 

[Deteckel]

I’m of the belief that it’s a cult activity and within this cult is a hierarchy.

This had me thinking - back to my LIKC Theory rather than a cult, what if this operates as a fraternity?
There would most definitely be a ranking system, likely with some kind of board with assigned responsbilities.

Those positions and even membership access would be granted through the highest means of power - political and rich.

 

[Keylimeeye]

This had me thinking - back to my LIKC Theory rather than a cult, what if this operates as a fraternity?
There would most definitely be a ranking system, likely with some kind of board with assigned responsbilities.

Those positions and even membership access would be granted through the highest means of power - political and rich.

I was using the term cult loosely. I think any kind of fraternity/club could apply. But I think the thing that differentiates a club from a cult would be rituals, specifically initiation/blackmail/insurance policy against defectors.