The SODDI Defense (Some Other Dude Did It)...If not KC, who?

[Brini]

how about someone stole KC car with caylee in it.....then it was returned with out caylee...but the car started to smell and KC found caylee in the trunk.... KC freaked and lost her mind.... she thought no one would believe her and she made up the nanny story....

Evidence of the "lost mind?"

Why did she drive around for days with the body in the trunk, while partying with TonE?

 

[countzero]

Here's how the defense might answer your questions:

1. Why not report Caylee missing when she had been stalked: Battered woman defense. Casey was too afraid to tell anyone. She believed if she cooperated with her stalker she would get Caylee back. There are two types of battery: physical and emotional. We don't see any signs of physical battery, but Casey could have been emotionally abused by her stalker.

2. Nanny story: SODDI gave it to Casey. She was following orders.

3. Why not tell after Caylee was found dead: We actually have seen Casey attempt to talk to police on the day she was arrested for murder, but Baez took her aside and stopped her. So, this could be due to her attoney's influence. If it were you or me, in a similar situation we might tell our attorney to "F" off and go ahead and tell the police the whole story, but in the case of a stalked/abused woman, she might be so under the influence of her "white knight" (her attorney) that she meekly does whatever he says. Does the perp have some other means to harm? Has he threatened Casey that he would kill her whole family? We don't know. But in an abused/stalked woman scenario if he killed Caylee and Casey was already under his thumb before this, then she would be likely to believe that he WOULD kill her whole family and as a result she would keep silent and follow her attorney's instructions. The fact that Casey has been arrested for this might even be proof to her of the power of her stalker - he may have told her this is what would happen to her.

I've been thinking about Casey's irrational rage behavior toward her parents and to me that is indicative of someone who is depressed and many women who are stalked do suffer from depression.

I'm not saying all this is true, but I do think this is a way that the defense could create reasonable doubt in this case.

Problems I see with this type of SODDI theory is that if this were even close to being true, then why does KC act like nothing is wrong during her court appearances? Why does she appear to be happy, laughing, smiling at her attorneys, the camera at anyone playing attention to her while she is in court? If some nefarious person(s) did this, KC has no reason not to talk to LE to help put these persons in jail and be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?

She can't because I do not believe they exist. KC isn't smart enough to be involved with these types of people. Plus I don't think people who are capable of killing another person would bother with the likes of KC. She isn't capable of following directions given by others. She marches to her own tune making them up as she goes in ten second intervals.

Perhaps someone might discuss CA as the killer, for she had both, motive and access.

Perhaps that is what KC ment when she said, "Don't worry, I haven't told them anything."

Exactly what I think .... CA is a loose cannon all around with GA. They all know what happened when it happened and who was the main person responsible for Caylee's murder as well as the clean up.

I don't remember the exact phrase CA told KC during the early arrest but it was something to the effect of ..... don't worry they haven't found anything ....... does anyone else remember this?

 

[USARDOG]

Exactly! Any plausible theory still has to speak to the evidence.

Ah but I have to disagree here, a good SOD defense may also be so ridiculous that some, just one juror is left to wonder if it is plausible. Great examples of this have already been put forth in this thread. No relation to evidence is needed, only the ability to fantasize. Remember, only one juror need be fooled.

 

[songline]

Last night on NG they did that show focusing on KC's boyfriends.My hinky meter started going off a bit with JG.I have to say I have never suspected him of any involvement,but listening to some of what he said just gave me the heebie geebies.
He kept saying he couldn't reconcile the KC in jail with the KC he knew.He would never come out and say he felt she had killed,or even hurt ,Caylee.He talked about Caylee loving the playhouse and that would be THE place KC would put Caylee's body if something had happened to her.He thought that if she was in a panic after an accident the playhouse would be where KC would place her body.Who would even think to say that?
He also said he could see KC being so upset if Caylee died in an accident ,that she would make up a story in her head and go on as though everything was okay [paraphrasing]
He sort of kept on the accident idea[at least NG kept attributing that idea to JG].
IIRC he told LE he talked to KC and heard Caylee in the background well after it's believed Caylee died.
And then there's KC telling her parents to stay away from JG. Maybe because she thought he'd break under pressure?
Could JG have helped KC? and is trying to help her wiggle out of this?
Deep down I don't want to believe it.Maybe KC convinced him there was an accident and convinced him to help her.IDK but I have new questions after hearing all his statements together in one place.
The last thing I want to do is tarnish someones good name. I have a lot of respect for Jesse and his family.He really stepped up as Caylee's dad when he didn't have to. It's some of his statements that now make me wonder.Please convince me I'm way off base with my concerns!

I did not see the show so thank you for this update, it is very interesting to me.
I will not convince you that you are off base because all of out thoughts a valid and helpful if veering off the "Open and Shut Guilty line of thinking" While that may be the verdict in the end.
From the start I did not subscribe to Casey is evil kill her.
I do not believe that. And the one thing Tonie did say that jumps out at me is: he couldn't reconcile the KC in jail with the KC he knew. I am sure the investigators did already check the playhouse for any residua of any kind.
But like you his involvement has also crossed my mind.
Thank you for this report.
Untill this case is over all of your thoughts are good.

 

[Brini]

how about someone stole KC car with caylee in it.....then it was returned with out caylee...but the car started to smell and KC found caylee in the trunk.... KC freaked and lost her mind.... she thought no one would believe her and she made up the nanny story....

How many pedos return the dead child to the parent?

 

[Brini]

Just thought I'd add that, in order to get anyone to actually post their theories featuring anothe perp besides KC, this would need to be kept a SODDI friendly thread if you KWIM. Meaning that folks will feel their opinion is, at least, respected if not agreed with.

But, if one has a SODDI theory that does not take the evidence into consideration, one might just as well theorize that space aliens killed Caylee.

 

[Virtual Truth]

Every time I consider a theory like SODDI I keep coming back to KC. When she found Caylee missing, if she had nothing to do with her child becoming a missing child why wouldn't she call 911? Esp. if she had been stalked previously.

Another question I would have is if SODDI then why would KC make up the Nanny, the two stories about Sawgrass and the park? Esp. if she had a sense of it being someone else? And why wouldn't she have a better, more complete story of how Caylee came to be missing? IOW if SODDI why has she consistently protected them?

Looking at KC's personality traits, KC appears to get frustrated easily and to anger easily. When angry she doesn't seem to remember what would be best for herself, let alone what might be best for someone else. So if her child came up missing, I can't see KC sitting down and thinking "well if I tell someone, then the unsub might get angry and retaliate." And even if she did think that, then when Caylee was found dead would have been a prime time to tell LE the truth, because the alleged perp didn't have any more leverage to harm.

The closest I am come to SODDI is if KC's boyfriend harmed Caylee and she was trying to protect him. But if that was so I would think that story would break down when she got charged with murder herself, and he broke off contact with her. I mean her daughter is dead, she is charged with murder and looking at the death penalty, and he isn't dancing attendance??? Sorry but I don't believe she is that altrustic.

The defense could say that KC's emotions, or lack of, have been due to her subconscience "guilt" of not being able to protect her child. Many family members (parents especially) feel guilty that they could not protect their children from harm, i.e. a playground accident, a child runs into the road and parent can't react quickly enough to save them, a daughter is raped as an adult and the father couldn't protect her.... All of these feelings of guilt cause normal people to react in strange ways. Just a thought of how the defense may try to counter some of KC's actions after Caylee went missing. JMO.

 

[Brini]

Bold mine.

Me too. If anyone has any evidence pointing to anyone else I'd really be interested to hear about it.

Emphasis on the word "evidence."

 

[songline]

Here's how the defense might answer your questions:

1. Why not report Caylee missing when she had been stalked: Battered woman defense. Casey was too afraid to tell anyone. She believed if she cooperated with her stalker she would get Caylee back. There are two types of battery: physical and emotional. We don't see any signs of physical battery, but Casey could have been emotionally abused by her stalker.

2. Nanny story: SODDI gave it to Casey. She was following orders.

3. Why not tell after Caylee was found dead: We actually have seen Casey attempt to talk to police on the day she was arrested for murder, but Baez took her aside and stopped her. So, this could be due to her attoney's influence. If it were you or me, in a similar situation we might tell our attorney to "F" off and go ahead and tell the police the whole story, but in the case of a stalked/abused woman, she might be so under the influence of her "white knight" (her attorney) that she meekly does whatever he says. Does the perp have some other means to harm? Has he threatened Casey that he would kill her whole family? We don't know. But in an abused/stalked woman scenario if he killed Caylee and Casey was already under his thumb before this, then she would be likely to believe that he WOULD kill her whole family and as a result she would keep silent and follow her attorney's instructions. The fact that Casey has been arrested for this might even be proof to her of the power of her stalker - he may have told her this is what would happen to her.

I've been thinking about Casey's irrational rage behavior toward her parents and to me that is indicative of someone who is depressed and many women who are stalked do suffer from depression.

I'm not saying all this is true, but I do think this is a way that the defense could create reasonable doubt in this case.

Good post again :clap:
but on #3 my question is still where did JB come from?
His strategy is not sounding to me as if he is ALL for Casey.
I am not an attorney but in my youth a manged a law firm, and something here feels off...
In part I do believe this man beside for not being experience is out for himself, that frightens me.

 

[USARDOG]

Here, how'bout this SOD:

KC had sold herself into marriage with a Saudi prince to cover GA's gambling debt. When she tried to back out, the powerful Arabs kidnapped Caylee. Then when the brave KC still refused marriage, the powerful Arabs killed Caylee and framed KC to teach her a lesson. Since they control the Orange County sheriff's office, this was made all the easier. This is what CA meant when she said KC would receive "Mother of the Year," for what she has done for Caylee.

Oh if the public only knew how brave KC had been in trying to protect both Caylee and her family!

 

[Jolynna]

She could not have thought anything through by herself. no, no.
That would be when family came to the rescue; hens the 31 days to let the body decompose, so that good evidence would not be available. "no story to tell"
Reason family would do that IMO hmmm tough one.
But I think that connecting all the dots would bring the case to some people that are connected in the jail and out of jail and they are afraid of them. Hens the Foundation and the money.

At the end of the day Casey would still be guilty for putting Caylee in danger.
What exactly Casey is guilty of remains open in my mind till the trial.

In response to the part I bolded...

One of the strongest clues that Casey did it alone is the haphazard, sloppy way the crime was committed.

If Casey had had any assistance at all, she would have had a better story than the fake kidnapping nanny.

The victim was found BY Casey's parent's house with items from the house about 3 steps back in the weeds (sounds to me like somebody was afraid of snakes, spiders and getting stickers all over her clothes).

Casey left her car ALONE for days with body fluid & the victim's decomposing hair in the trunk, the address of one of her hideouts, a piece of paper with the name of the person she was hiding out with written over and over AND her dead daughter's car-seat & "mama" doll (along with the hair and body fluid those were BIG clues Caylee was no longer anywhere on this earth).


I am not seeing anything about the situation that points to Casey having help. It looks to me like she was as dimwitted at murdering as she was at stealing. She couldn't commit either crime without throwing crumbs trailing to herself.

 

[Brini]

who seen her driving the car?

Who saw her driving the car with the oder of decomp? She told several of her friends that the odor was caused by a "dead animal," to explain away the smell. She also shortstopped GA, when he tried to get something out of her trunk, to keep him away from the smell/evidence.

She drove that car with the decomp in it for DAYS.

 

[songline]

I am equally amazed to read posters stating that they are certain of Casey's guilt and that she murdered her daughter. in this country, a defendent is innocent until proven guilty.
I think it is important to remember that ALL of the evidence that has been revealed thusfar to the public is the PROSECUTION'S case. Of course it is going to make Casey look guilty!!! That is the entire point of the prosecution's case - to prove Casey's guilt! The prosecution would NEVER have ANY evidence that points to a different murderer other than Casey!

The question should be, what evidence do we have that could indicate another person was responsible for this crime. As with any case, there is a mixture of facts and possibilities. We do know that there are innocent people who have been convicted of crimes under the United States Justice system. It's an unfortunate fact.

As to whether or not Casey is guilty, I have no way of knowing. I don't know what her attorney knows. I don't know what facts and evidence that the Prosecution has left out of their case in developing the case against Casey. Which is why people should wait for the trial to be complete BEFORE making up their mind about a defendants guilt or innocence. Yes, the Prosecutors case makes Casey look guilty, which is as it should be, but as far as what has been released it is entirely circumstantial AND entirely the prosecutor's case. Without any direct evidence linking Casey to Caylee's death at this point, it is impossible to know for certain at this time if Casey is innocent or guilty.

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[Brini]

Caylee was placed in 3 bags. Maybe the odor of decomp was not enough to be smelled from a distance at this point. TL states in his interview that KC would not let him put the gas in her car she did it.

Yep! She was standing AWAY from her car, carrying some groceries that she stole from her folks' freezer, when TonE picked her up.

 

[songline]

There is no evidence of KC working in either the dope business, or the sex trade. None of the people she spent her time with make any allegations with regard to these, and further, were she in either, she would not be stealing money from everyone she knew.

So far, IMO, the SOD defense is a bust. Perhaps better would be to drop back and try for insanity? Or just plead guilty and end this charade. There just is no evidence to implicate any other person, with the possible exception of CA.

I think you missed a piece about the photos of Casey in very compromising positions that lead to other disussions.
Hope that info. is close to the vest, I know it is not on the internet I looked, but I am no compu wizz kid.
but on a site named IN SESSION there was a lot of talk about this last summer.

I do remember that GA had seen the photos too.
How he can now say he is proud of his daughter still baffles me
But I will not point my finger at Casey as "she did the deed"
Not till the trial.

 

[USARDOG]

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No, the best SOD so far is CA did it. She so hated KC that to get back at her, she killed little Caylee and framed kc.

 

[Brini]

i know :crazy: just throwing stuff out that could be used

I could be used if there was evidence to back it.

I can't imagine how JB will explain why KC was driving a car with chemical evidence of her child's death and decomposition in the trunk.

 

[Virtual Truth]

Here's how the defense might answer your questions:

1. Why not report Caylee missing when she had been stalked: Battered woman defense. Casey was too afraid to tell anyone. She believed if she cooperated with her stalker she would get Caylee back. There are two types of battery: physical and emotional. We don't see any signs of physical battery, but Casey could have been emotionally abused by her stalker.

2. Nanny story: SODDI gave it to Casey. She was following orders.

3. Why not tell after Caylee was found dead: We actually have seen Casey attempt to talk to police on the day she was arrested for murder, but Baez took her aside and stopped her. So, this could be due to her attoney's influence. If it were you or me, in a similar situation we might tell our attorney to "F" off and go ahead and tell the police the whole story, but in the case of a stalked/abused woman, she might be so under the influence of her "white knight" (her attorney) that she meekly does whatever he says. Does the perp have some other means to harm? Has he threatened Casey that he would kill her whole family? We don't know. But in an abused/stalked woman scenario if he killed Caylee and Casey was already under his thumb before this, then she would be likely to believe that he WOULD kill her whole family and as a result she would keep silent and follow her attorney's instructions. The fact that Casey has been arrested for this might even be proof to her of the power of her stalker - he may have told her this is what would happen to her.

I've been thinking about Casey's irrational rage behavior toward her parents and to me that is indicative of someone who is depressed and many women who are stalked do suffer from depression.

I'm not saying all this is true, but I do think this is a way that the defense could create reasonable doubt in this case.

Yes, and as I just responded to someone else, the defense may build a foundation of subconscious guilt for KC (to justify her actions) for simply NOT being able to protect her daughter. Not that she had anything to do with her demise or even could have prevented it, but that she, as a loving parent, would feel guilty regardless, as would any normal parent in this situation. Therefore, setting the stage that she may not care what happens to her at this point, so why speak up about what she knows. They would go on to say that it is their job to speak for her now. This is just what I think the defense may try to say, not that I think they are right or that it will work. JMO....

 

[USARDOG]

Of course, the Arabs are quite unpopular right now... perhaps... The jilted prince story?

Or... Isn't JB of spanish decent? Perhaps the Mexican mafia here, and they are paying JB?

 

[Brini]

Yes, and somehow this mystery rapist/murderer knew where KC lived and dumped the body right down the street to frame her!

And, planted the DNA in her car, and forced her to lie, and...