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FrayedKnot said:
Yes!

I am wondering the same thing. Did she have a pattern of stalking boyfriends? Other creepy or violent behaviors? Promiscuity?

I have said before I am ruined by the Pineallas 12 and I wanted the prosecution to have everything humanly possible on JA so she doesn't slip away.

And also, I want to know too.
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It would depend on the dynamics. If she broke up with them like the guy she had for four years then that is fine.

If one broke up with her that would be a different matter altogether.

Also it would be the same with her friends if she had any. As long as they had a purpose and enabled her things would be fine........if they did not she may have tried to be vengeful in some kind of way.

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ladonna said:
By no means is my intention to disparage Travis, but personally I believe he had his issues as well. He was an easy mark for someone like Jodi. A vunerable man, who wanted to be accepted in spite of his miserable childhood. The life of the party, comic, wanted the title of most popular irregardless if they were meaningful praises.
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BBM Yes, and being an easy mark can be as simple as being an overly polite person, a kind person who wants to help other people, an empathic person who gives someone like Jodi the benefit of doubt for way longer than necessary. It's downright creepy how a regular con can zero in on our weaknesses. Our own egos, and sometimes our own greed, are often what makes us an easy mark.
 
all4justice said:
Katiecoollady hit the nail on the head when she said Jodi is like the sweet little child who turns out to be the villain in those horror movies. She has that sweet demeanor facade down pat. What makes Jodi so frightening is it makes you wonder how many other Jodi's there might be out there. I can't think of any female killers who are anywhere near as scary as she is.

It did make me think of one particular case involving the twin of an Alabama socialite who was convicted of killing her doctor husband. The twin was charged with hiring the hitman but she was found not guilty. I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that she was well respected in her community, active in her church, and had the reputation of being someone who went out of her way to help those in need. Her twin (wife of the doctor) on the other hand was buck wild! She was known to drink a lot and had lots of affairs. Because the twins were so close though, many believed that the "good twin" actually got away with murder because the jurors couldn't believe an "upstanding" woman like her could be involved in soliciting a murder.

http://huntsville.about.com/od/huntsvillians/a/wilsonmurder.htm
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Piper Roundtree is the woman and she was a practicing attorney. Her husband was a professor.
 
lil_buddy said:
I think a friend of TA said on NG that TA had told him that JA had hacked into TA's FB account.

Again, I am in NO WAY blaming the victim, but...
Wouldn't you go change all your passwords?
Also, wouldn't you freak out if your psycho exgf was coming in thru the doggy door (if that's even true)?

I cannot wrap my head around it.
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He may have changed his password, we don't know for sure.

The doggie door thing creeps me out.
 
ILikeToBendPages said:
Many think that using tomato juice will get rid of a skunk smell, but it doesn't work. It's still there afterwards.

Our backyard is an acre and we have ongoing visits from possums, racoons, coyotes,foxes and skunks. We have two Jack Russell that love to chase and go to ground after skunks, and have had nights of bathing a dog at three in the morning. We use the recipe and it really works.

Mix a quart of peroxide, a quarter cup of baking soda, and a good squirt of Dawn. Apply to dog directly on dry coat (careful around mouth and eyes) wait ten minutes (all the while trying to not let your dog shake all over the place) and rinse. The only hard thing to clean is their collars. You have to get used to the smell or buy a new one. We do it in our tub so we can close the curtain if they do want to shake and we can't stop it.

You need to double the recipe for a larger dog.
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Been there and have done that. Just the memory is causing me to have sympathy whiffs of imaginary stench in my nostrils! Lol


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panthera said:
We do have the photos taken of him before death. I highly doubt he would consent to being photographed nude as well as taking photos of her in the same fashion unless there was "something" going on between them. If he were so afraid of his Mormon friends finding out about a sexual relationship, the worst thing is to have photos taken.

MOO
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I will always find the 'sex' photos of Travis very odd. It is as if he is laying on the bed not paying attention to what JA is doing and she comes in and snaps his photo twice from the side view when he is laying in bed. It is not a posed photo like hers. In fact he doesnt even have an erect penis in those photos.:waitasec: I think she snapped those too and he didnt want her too and he told her to erase them pronto.

And the ones in the shower I will never believe he even knew she was there. Imo she had already left (so he thought) and he went to take his shower and once again she came back to stalk him once again invading his privacy and it was only in the next to last photo he finally saw her.

IMO
 
Curious Me said:
BBM Yes, and being an easy mark can be as simple as being an overly polite person, a kind person who wants to help other people, an empathic person who gives someone like Jodi the benefit of doubt for way longer than necessary. It's downright creepy how a regular con can zero in on our weaknesses. Our own egos, and sometimes our own greed, are often what makes us an easy mark.
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It is usually good and kind people that are taken advantage of the most.:(
 
all4justice said:
Katiecoollady hit the nail on the head when she said Jodi is like the sweet little child who turns out to be the villain in those horror movies. She has that sweet demeanor facade down pat. What makes Jodi so frightening is it makes you wonder how many other Jodi's there might be out there. I can't think of any female killers who are anywhere near as scary as she is.

It did make me think of one particular case involving the twin of an Alabama socialite who was convicted of killing her doctor husband. The twin was charged with hiring the hitman but she was found not guilty. I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that she was well respected in her community, active in her church, and had the reputation of being someone who went out of her way to help those in need. Her twin (wife of the doctor) on the other hand was buck wild! She was known to drink a lot and had lots of affairs. Because the twins were so close though, many believed that the "good twin" actually got away with murder because the jurors couldn't believe an "upstanding" woman like her could be involved in soliciting a murder.

http://huntsville.about.com/od/huntsvillians/a/wilsonmurder.htm
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I remember that case, saw it on Discovery ID or ?? Didn't the incarcerated sister get another trial?
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I will always find the 'sex' photos of Travis very odd. It is as if he is laying on the bed not paying attention to what JA is doing and she comes in and snaps his photo twice from the side view when he is laying in bed. It is not a posed photo like hers. In fact he doesnt even have an erect penis in those photos.:waitasec: I think she snapped those too and he didnt want her too and he told her to erase them pronto.

And the ones in the shower I will never believe he even knew she was there. Imo she had already left (so he thought) and he went to take his shower and once again she came back to stalk him once again invading his privacy and it was only in the next to last photo he finally saw her.

IMO
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IMO he looks like he just finished. Maybe the finger peace sign thingy is a joke about smoking an imaginary cigarette?


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FrayedKnot said:
It was in that 48 Hours program. The married couple, Skye and ?, were talking about it ams Skye voiced her disappointment that Travis carried on the sexual relationship with Jodi after the "official" break.

I don't remember if the other friends mentioned it....
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But are they going by what JA said? There is a big difference between him confiding in them and them finding out after his death because of JA's statement. I'll watch 48 Hours tonight to see what is said. Assuming something is not the same as knowing for a fact. So maybe 48 Hours might clear that up for us. Thanks.
 
LambChop said:
But are they going by what JA said? There is a big difference between him confiding in them and them finding out after his death because of JA's statement. I'll watch 48 Hours tonight to see what is said. Assuming something is not the same as knowing for a fact. So maybe 48 Hours might clear that up for us. Thanks.
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You're welcome!

IDK if they knew because TA told them or because of what JA said, or perhaps they saw the text messages, emails, etc?

My gut says that if JA was the only source, they wouldn't have given it any credence. They really loved Travis.
 
Totally O/T as to the current topic of the thread but a few days back, there was discussion of the laundry that was done. There were 2 loads done which meant that she was there for quite a while after the murder cleaning up.

Someone suggested that perhaps Travis had done the first load, which included the sheets, as he was a neat person and would have likely wanted to wash icky reminders of her off of his sheets and then hopped in the shower, thinking she was gone.

I don;t know about everyone else, but in my house, doing a load of laundry in the washer while taking a shower is a no-no. It affects the water pressure as well as the temp of the water in the shower.

So I do believe that she is the one who did both loads which means she was there for quite a while.

This is O/T like I said but i like pinning down every iota of what occurred to create a solid picture of just how this occurred, as opposed to Jodi's everchanging fairytale.

In other news, I visited the "Jodi Arias is Innocent" website out of idle curiosity. Among their defense of her is such gems as "she is too pretty to go to jail, just like casey" , "travis was a mormon and a mlm marketer and the world is better off with those types of scum gone" (paraphrasing that) and other such completely delusional offerings on WHY she should be found innocent.

Of course NONE of it deals in evidence, facts or much else other than slandering Travis and gushing about Jodi's "beauty". They categorically state that any post against Jodi will be deleted and that poster banned.

A site like that makes me even more thankful for WS. We deal in evidence, our opinions are clearly marked as such. We are free to disagree or to have differing opinions but are not allowed to be rude to each other or abusive. I appreciate each and every poster at WS.

And a HUGE thanks to our mods. They have so much to do that we never see or know of. They are there to clean up the messes if someone gets out of line or makes a booboo. Hats off to our mods!!
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I will always find the 'sex' photos of Travis very odd. It is as if he is laying on the bed not paying attention to what JA is doing and she comes in and snaps his photo twice from the side view when he is laying in bed. It is not a posed photo like hers. In fact he doesnt even have an erect penis in those photos.:waitasec: I think she snapped those too and he didnt want her too and he told her to erase them pronto.

And the ones in the shower I will never believe he even knew she was there. Imo she had already left (so he thought) and he went to take his shower and once again she came back to stalk him once again invading his privacy and it was only in the next to last photo he finally saw her.

IMO
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True, it may be he was unaware of her taking the nude photo of him, as well as the ones in the shower (except for the last one) but I can't fathom him wanting nude photos of her on his new camera. Even deleted, the photos are still "there".

Just another thing about this case that's beyond my comprehension.

MOO
 
katiecoolady said:
I had dinner last weekend with some friends celebrating one of their retirement as a public defender (in this system) and discussing this case. They know Jodi's female defense atty and consider her a friend so were a little surprised when I gave my personal opinion about how disgusted I am at this defense. As I told her (happy retirement! Let me now trash your profession!) it's like the State is all about proving the TRUTH of what happened in a crime and the defense is all about "let's see what we can cook up as a plausible story of excuses that maybe a jury might swallow" and it's all accepted as normal! My friend nodded her head in agreement but they are so entrenched in this just being the way it is it's just normalized.

It's like it's just ok for defense attorneys to fabricate a completely preposterous story, find paid expert$ who will sell their soul to the devil by sitting up there selling stories they KNOW are BS (damn if I didn't see this in the Hemy Newman trial) and act like this is all ok. Oh and let's not forget TRASHING THE VICTIM'S name in the process! Sweet!

Our system has gone so far past a "fair and adequate defense" for killers swinging the tides of justice so far in their direction it just makes me sick. And if she's sentenced to death? That will all just escalate and get worse.

Her attorneys know she's guilty, she's not abused and they don't care.

How about the truth? She clearly has problems, she clearly murdered him in a fit of rage, she did it out of jealousy, can you find something to give her some leniency? How about some kind of defense that even RESEMBLES the truth in an attempt to defend the indefensible and does not trash the victim in a completely abusive and reprehensible, shameful way further traumatizing all those who love him?

Where is the dang soapbox icon when I need it? Stepping off now...I need to shower this all off of me! :banghead:
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LOVE your post. You read my mind and stated it perfectly. Thanks
 
LambChop said:
But are they going by what JA said? There is a big difference between him confiding in them and them finding out after his death because of JA's statement. I'll watch 48 Hours tonight to see what is said. Assuming something is not the same as knowing for a fact. So maybe 48 Hours might clear that up for us. Thanks.
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I've got Mr. Knot recording it. I already watched the episode, but didn't I hear this was an updated version?
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I will always find the 'sex' photos of Travis very odd. It is as if he is laying on the bed not paying attention to what JA is doing and she comes in and snaps his photo twice from the side view when he is laying in bed. It is not a posed photo like hers. In fact he doesnt even have an erect penis in those photos.:waitasec: I think she snapped those too and he didnt want her too and he told her to erase them pronto.

And the ones in the shower I will never believe he even knew she was there. Imo she had already left (so he thought) and he went to take his shower and once again she came back to stalk him once again invading his privacy and it was only in the next to last photo he finally saw her.

IMO
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The pictures seem odd to me, too. She could have taken them of him and he told her to delete them which she did and then took pictures of herself when he went into the bathroom. I don't think he took those pictures of her. My guess is she decided to delete them because of the camera falling and snapping those last pictures. Her first wounding of him did not quite kill him which obviously angered her and it may not have been what she planned as far as her alibi had she been caught. One wound might have passed for self defense. jmo
 
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