The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #14 *ADULT CONTENT*

[oceanblueeyes]

am I shocked? No.. not once she figured out her Goose was cooked and the state knows they have the goods.:twocents:

What it does show though is all the self defense and abuse yada yada yada is made up horsepoop.:banghead:

And the sad thing is the jury will never know about this until the trial is over.

IMO

 

[Karmady]

Can you explain why you think the bolded? I'm not seeing that myself. One still needs to take into account the slit throat and that will kill anyone so how does shot last show self defense? Thanks.

I don't think it shows self-defense, but it allows a better argument for it. It's far more clearly established that she brought a gun than a knife. So, if she "definitely" brought a gun, and she fake stole the gun in the course of premeditating murder, the obvious question is why didn't she use it? That allows for an argument that something happened to change her plan. Plus, it allows the argument that if whatever it was that happened HADN'T happened, she wouldn't necessarily have tried to kill him with the gun at all, so also leaving open a space for argument on no premeditation. Do I think any of that is likely to persuade the jury? No. But, imo, there's NO chance if she shot him first with the gun she fake stole presumably with the express purpose of killing him with it.

jmo

 

[borndem]

I didn't know a clip was played...I just heard Wilcox referencing it. It's my understanding that Jodi taped it. Probably so she could continue obsessing with it (ew).

IMO, it may have been, in a much earlier plan, if all else fails, there's always blackmail...

 

[Sulamith]

1) TA wasn't getting serious with Mimi. That is sworn testimony.
2) she slipped in through the doggie door or knew the garage door code. And yeah, the sex was free so he may have accepted it.
3). Yep. I think she set that camera at an angle and took the pictures of herself. Not hard to believe about a psycho.

BBM I listened to Mimi Hall's testimony again a few nights ago. I think that TA was trying to make it work with Mimi. Mimi stated that she told him she just wanted to be friends. Mimi stated that after the third date TA communicated almost every day and that he was very interested in becoming good friends with her and he was working on that. Then he asked her to go to Cancun with her.

I think TA wanted more from Mimi than a friendship.

 

[dgfred]

It is hard to accept a plea deal for the prosectution when you are admitting to cutting a guy's head almost off, shooting him in the head and stabbing him 29 times.

Oh... I can stand that amount of time. Just no death penalty please.

CA didn't even do that.

 

[BrownRice]

And the "product" of PPL/LS seems to be.....more people to sell the "product!"

Shady.

It's legitimate and not a pyramid scheme at all. I just don't understand why anybody would ever buy it (I have had lots of reps contact me through the years in the course of my employment - to offer to our employees). But this trial (I think) is making PPL look pretty attractive (young people make lots of money and go to fun places). Sign me up! Ha ha (just kidding - please don't solicit!).

 

[Karmady]

1) TA wasn't getting serious with Mimi. That is sworn testimony.
2) she slipped in through the doggie door or knew the garage door code. And yeah, the sex was free so he may have accepted it.
3). Yep. I think she set that camera at an angle and took the pictures of herself. Not hard to believe about a psycho.

As I understand it, Mimi wasn't getting serious with Travis. Doesn't mean he didn't aspire. In fact, I'm sure I've read that Mimi wasn't getting serious with Travis UNTIL Travis dealt with Jodi.

Is there evidence that she used the doggie door or garage door code on that specific night?

 

[Summerfun]

Nancy should really keep her big mouth shut, this is a mistrial. Did anyone know she pleaded guilty to 2nd degree?

 

[BritsKate]

As I understand it, Mimi wasn't getting serious with Travis. Doesn't mean he didn't aspire. In fact, I'm sure I've read that Mimi wasn't getting serious with Travis UNTIL Travis dealt with Jodi.

Is there evidence that she used the doggie door or garage door code on that specific night?

NTMK

The doggy door I class as rumor since it's coming from friends...I like Travis' friends but a game of telephone can happen even with the best of intentions.

The garage door code means a lot more. She offered that up to Flores without ever being asked. I found it odd at the time but nearly fell off my chair when I read that was how Travis' friends gained access when they discovered his body.

 

[TigerBalm]

As I understand it, Mimi wasn't getting serious with Travis. Doesn't mean he didn't aspire. In fact, I'm sure I've read that Mimi wasn't getting serious with Travis UNTIL Travis dealt with Jodi.

Is there evidence that she used the doggie door or garage door code on that specific night?

You seem to be confusing Mimi and Lisa a bit here.

Mimi was not interested in Travis in that way.
Lisa and Travis broke up due to Jodi.

 

[Pensfan]

Nancy should really keep her big mouth shut, this is a mistrial. Did anyone know she pleaded guilty to 2nd degree?

Everyone knows now that it was announced on the NG show. I still don't understand why this jury isn't sequestered.

 

[nursebeeme]

Nancy should really keep her big mouth shut, this is a mistrial. Did anyone know she pleaded guilty to 2nd degree?

she wasn't charged with second degree iirc.. she was charged with first.. the SA refused the offer of a plea deal on that lesser charge.

 

[TorisMom003]

As I understand it, Mimi wasn't getting serious with Travis. Doesn't mean he didn't aspire. In fact, I'm sure I've read that Mimi wasn't getting serious with Travis UNTIL Travis dealt with Jodi.

Is there evidence that she used the doggie door or garage door code on that specific night?

Since only two people know for sure how Jodi entered Travis's home that night, and one of them is dead while the other is a liar who is on trial for the murder, then no there is no evidence that Jodi used the garage door code, the doggie door or allowed to enter by Travis himself. We have no evidence as to how she got in.

 

[Karmady]

NTMK

The doggy door I class as rumor since it's coming from friends...I like Travis' friends but a game of telephone can happen even with the best of intentions.

The garage door code means a lot more. She offered that up to Flores without ever being asked. I found it odd at the time but nearly fell off my chair when I read that was how Travis' friends gained access when they discovered his body.

Thank you. She offered up the garage code as how she got in that night, or that she knew it and had used it in the past? I'm sorry, I watched a lot of her interviews, but not all.

 

[TigerBalm]

Nancy should really keep her big mouth shut, this is a mistrial. Did anyone know she pleaded guilty to 2nd degree?

If she plead guilty to 2nd degree murder there wouldn't be a trial continuing tomorrow morning. She apparently tried to plea but the state did not accept. The state is the one who offers plea deals, not the defendant.

 

[Karmady]

Since only two people know for sure how Jodi entered Travis's home that night, and one of them is dead while the other is a liar who is on trial for the murder, then no there is no evidence that Jodi used the garage door code, the doggie door or allowed to enter by Travis himself. We have no evidence as to how she got in.

Thank you. That's what I thought, but there's a lot of stuff to keep track of!

 

[Pensfan]

Tomorrow night JVM is supposed to interview Jodie's circle of friends.

I can't see Jodi having close friends. Close friends are those with whom you reveal your true intentions and secrets. I'm betting these alleged "close friends" are only people that Jodi worked with at times.

 

[GobBluth]

If Jodi didn't have a knife or gun with her and had to go fetch them, then why couldn't she have kept running and gone right out of the house? Travis was naked and wet. We know this much. Jodi was dressed. We know this much. Pictures provide proof of that.

So if Jodi was in fear for her life and had enough time to go retrieve a knife and gun and come back into the bathroom, what prevented her from leaving altogether? What 'forced' her to go back into the bathroom and stab T.A. 27 times, 9 times in his back, in the back of his head, slit his throat ear to ear and shoot him? At what possible point in that 2+ minute attack was she incapable of .... leaving. T.A. was mortally wounded from the first stab wound to his heart. That is from testimony by the M.E. The neck wound itself was fatal within mere seconds. A shot to the head according to the M.E. would have incapacitated T.A.

She very well could have left if her life was in danger. She had the advantage of being dressed, and having weapons.

She admittedly stabbed him those 27 times, some of those in the back, in the bathroom and into the hallway, slit his throat ear to ear deeply, dragged his body into the bathroom, got a gun and shot him (sequence being debated), IN 2+ MINUTES?!!?! This we know. Am I wrong?

But I am also expected to believe that in this SAME 2+ minutes, there was a series of events intense enough to make her fear for her life, thus the "self-defense", where he was going to kill her. She then obtained the first weapon. She had to switch weapons in order to have used both (which is not in question,) so that took up some of that time as well.

Someone please help me to understand how this is possible. Thanks.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Nobody knows whether she had a knife that she brought with her and we assume (correctly, imo) she had a gun because the same caliber gun was fake stolen from her gp's, presumably by her. She could easily have gotten the knife from the house and there's no solid evidence that she didn't. Just that no knives appeared to be missing. Whatever that means since it assumes that the roommates were familiar with every knife in the house.

Which makes me continue to wonder whether the prosecution hasn't outsmarted itself with the shot-last position. Which is the only position of the two that has ANY chance of allowing a lack of premeditation or self-defense theory to be presented with the slightest bit of a straight face, imo.

I think the tire slashing is true. We may hear more about that later on before the trial is over. Which would mean she carries a knife with her. The same knife she used to slit an innocent man's throat.

The blade had to be at least 6 inches long and extremely sharp and one that would not break because it literally took chunks out of his skull. Most kitchen knives are bendable made of thinner material and would flex and the tip would break when doing that amount of damage imo.

Imo the knife did not come from Travis' home just like the gun didnt.

IMO

 

[Boodles]

I think she has gained quite a bit. She has one ex that she dated for 2 years that is willing to go to bat for her and even lie for her even though she admitted to killing Travis. This guy has said that Jodi would never hurt even a bug. Then we have the 4 year relationship guy that bought a house with her. Haven't heard a single bad thing about Jodi from him yet either. She managed to have this guy leave the mother of his child for her. Once she met someone that could provide even more as far as lifestlye goes she left him. Then we have the guy that was smitten with her when he met her in jail. There's a pattern here of men falling for her and doing for her. That is until the women in their lives clue them in as to the real Jodi, like Travis had help with. Ryan was smitten as well and would have surely been another one of her victims had she not been arrested. Jodi has something about her that makes men want to protect her and give her things. Thankfully those guys remained clueless until she was done with them. If they had wised up, like Travis did, then we would be seeing even more murdered men that had dumped her.

MOO

Respectfully, link please. My understanding is she started seeing DB when he was recently divorced, therefore he was not "ready to get into a committed relationship" but ended up with her for 4 years.