The surveillance video-**identified** man and the box of wine

[Darcyline]

I don't think anyone cares that she bought wine. I do think people care that she was with an unidentified man buying wine hours before her baby disappeared and did not seem to disclose the trip to LE (per the article). So, what we have here is something that might be significant for some reason OR one of the worst cases of media distortion I have ever seen to the point that I think the Mom should consider legal action against the station for how damaging the falsified report has turned out to be.

 

[Kat]

No big deal on purchase of a box of wine, paper plates and napkins about 5 hours prior to putting baby to bed. JMHO. It's not the items purchased. (link to items purchased in video at link within post #1 of this thread).

Whether or not this is a big deal depends on if Mom told LE she was there and they are looking at the video to make sure she was where she said she was. LE isn't commenting on that. JMHO.

If (Speculation "if") she didn't tell then yes this is a big deal if they discovered this detail because IMHO they would have not only walked her through her day leading up to Lisa being discovered missing, they would have also walked her through the days prior to Lisa going missing.

However-- If she did tell them they could have very well just been following up on her details of her day. (we've seen LE pull video before from stores to confirm alibi's). JMHO.

The only thing that makes me take note of this (not the wine purchase, doesn't matter what she bought) is on another thread and that is the grand jury supeona for all video filmed by the local news (have to discuss that on other thread).

But when looked at as a whole and in combination. That does give me, personally, a reason to raise an eyebrow at these new details. But that could all change.

Another issue is the way this is being reported on, if LE isn't denying or confirming to the reporter then how is that news agency getting info on Un ID'ed man? Could be someone known to LE but not to anonymous store employee---know what I mean?

I've read but not really commented on Lisa's threads much so sorry if it seems like I'm popping up out of the blue from nowhere

all JMHO

 

[iamnotagolem]

Buying a box of wine w/an unidentified man isn't a crime. We don't even know for sure they were "together". Ever have that creepy guy in the store that crowds you while checking out? Ever run into someone you know at the store and end up chatting it up in line?

Even if she IS having an affair with mystery man, still doesn't mean she knows or was involved in Lisa's disappearance.

 

[krimekat]

So a typical night shift job for an electrician and I found this on a job search website in some other state, is 5pm-3:30am. So I'm thinking JI may have already been at work at the time DB was at this store.

wish we knew what time he went to work! 8 Hour shift would put him starting at 7p.

 

[krimekat]

Buying a box of wine w/an unidentified man isn't a crime. We don't even know for sure they were "together". Ever have that creepy guy in the store that crowds you while checking out? Ever run into someone you know at the store and end up chatting it up in line?

Even if she IS having an affair with mystery man, still doesn't mean she knows or was involved in Lisa's disappearance.

:clap: :clap: :clap: or that they GUY was . . .

 

[tiredblondy]

Did anyone ask her about this specific time? I don't think I would have offered up, "My neighbor was coming over with her 4 year old so I went & bought some wine & paper plates" during a cry for help (but did that happen?)

Check out what the KCMO police dept does (or does not do) & who "runs" them . . . and then check out StLMO police dept. Try to get any information on crimes or trials in Missouri . . . JMHO as a State resident

But I bet when LE said what did you do in the day before and leading up to Lisa missing you would have said Oh I went to the grocery store earlier -because they are trying to establish places where someone could have taken an interest in Lisa followed them home etc...It's just standard procedure to find out where everyone was all day preceding and after the event.


anyway here I don't know if you've read this or not but it's a good article and the video is even more telling to me..(I think there is a link to the video this is a transcript to)

Here you go. This is the article that has the transcript of the interview that caused a few of us to be suspicious about. I've included a few excerpts but the article is and excellent one to read.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-new-details-emerge-as-parents-make-second-plea

Dad stated-

“I came home from work and the front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house. The window in the front was open.

It was the baby’s dad, Jeremy Irwin, who discovered Lisa was missing from her crib at around 4 a.m. Tuesday morning. He told police he had returned home after working a night shift as an electrician, went to check on the couple's children, saw their sons sleeping, and noticed the baby's crib was empty.


The couple said they ran around the house calling out the baby’s name and waking up their two young sons. The boys started crying as they scrambled to find a phone to call 911.

Father tells his story – reveals new details

“I came home from work and the front door was unlocked. Most of the lights were on in the house. The window in the front was open.

"Obviously that was all very unusual. Then I started checking on the kids – I checked on the boys first and then we checked on her [Lisa] and that’s when we realized she was gone,” Jeremy said.

.Jeremy said, “They took her and took all of our phones so we couldn’t call anybody.”
Asked if the boys heard anything Jeremy said, “I don’t think so. The window that was open was nowhere near their bedroom so I don’t think they heard anything. They’re both pretty heavy sleepers.”

Deborah clarified that the window was in a computer room that’s also used as a second living room.

Mother tearfully tells her story
The window that appeared to be tampered with was not the baby’s room as many have suspected. Instead, it was an office used as a second living room, Deborah said.


While discussing the cell phones that had been taken from the home, Deborah said, “They were on the counter in the kitchen. And there’s, uh, whenever we woke up … I woke up … and he came home andI, and he said ‘she’s not in her crib’ and I said ‘what do you mean she’s not in her crib?’ and I just knew, you know, that something was really wrong.

​

 

[katydid23]

No big deal on purchase of a box of wine, paper plates and napkins about 5 hours prior to putting baby to bed. JMHO. It's not the items purchased. (link to items purchased in video at link within post #1 of this thread).

Whether or not this is a big deal depends on if Mom told LE she was there and they are looking at the video to make sure she was where she said she was. LE isn't commenting on that. JMHO.

If (Speculation "if") she didn't tell then yes this is a big deal if they discovered this detail because IMHO they would have not only walked her through her day leading up to Lisa being discovered missing, they would have also walked her through the days prior to Lisa going missing.

However-- If she did tell them they could have very well just been following up on her details of her day. (we've seen LE pull video before from stores to confirm alibi's). JMHO.

The only thing that makes me take note of this (not the wine purchase, doesn't matter what she bought) is on another thread and that is the grand jury supeona for all video filmed by the local news (have to discuss that on other thread).

But when looked at as a whole and in combination. That does give me, personally, a reason to raise an eyebrow at these new details. But that could all change.

Another issue is the way this is being reported on, if LE isn't denying or confirming to the reporter then how is that news agency getting info on Un ID'ed man? Could be someone known to LE but not to anonymous store employee---know what I mean?

I've read but not really commented on Lisa's threads much so sorry if it seems like I'm popping up out of the blue from nowhere

all JMHO

I agree with you. It is not the fact that she bought wine and paper plates that concerns me. I buy both of those things quite often myself.

The problem is that LE is calling the guy a 'mystery man." That seems to imply that she was not being forthcoming in her description of her day. that worries me.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Thanks Jbean, I'm a little slow on what's happening.

I don't want to type what I think might be going on with a male and a box of wine. Dad's first late night shift and all, right? It wouldn't be so bad but hey, there's a cute little baby missing. My worry is it was an underage or maybe of age teen she was with. gah! I didn't want to go there. Hopefully, this isn't the case at all.

 

[miabellamoure]

Buying a box of wine w/an unidentified man isn't a crime. We don't even know for sure they were "together". Ever have that creepy guy in the store that crowds you while checking out? Ever run into someone you know at the store and end up chatting it up in line?

Even if she IS having an affair with mystery man, still doesn't mean she knows or was involved in Lisa's disappearance.

I'm not getting that perception by posts here...but, if this info was left out of her timeline it does not look good. Not that she bought or drinks wine with whoever but, that at a moment like this...your infant is missing and you omit this bit of info...what else will you be omitting?

This isn't a time that one should be omitting anything out of their timeline when LE is there to help you find your missing child.

 

[Kat]

I agree with you. It is not the fact that she bought wine and paper plates that concerns me. I buy both of those things quite often myself.

The problem is that LE is calling the guy a 'mystery man." That seems to imply that she was not being forthcoming in her description of her day. that worries me.

I missed LE calling him mystery man Katy.

Can somone just tell me where LE made a comment about the man? You don't have to go hunt for a link just let me know and I"ll go look. I've tried to stay up to date for Lisa but I had a guest here for about 10 days and was only online before she got up in the AM's.

LE commenting directly about him is important. JMHO

 

[tiredblondy]

Buying a box of wine w/an unidentified man isn't a crime. We don't even know for sure they were "together". Ever have that creepy guy in the store that crowds you while checking out? Ever run into someone you know at the store and end up chatting it up in line?

Even if she IS having an affair with mystery man, still doesn't mean she knows or was involved in Lisa's disappearance.

I agree but if LE had to find a receipt and then watch a video instead of being told about a trip to the grocery store/ Why was it omitted from events of the day leading up to Lisa's disappearance.

That is the issue for me, information not given to LE. If my baby was missing I'd want every place and every minute of my time given to LE to help find her. How does one forget oh I ran to the grocery store too?

 

[momtective]

:rocker:

BBM: Yes, I remember your post ! After I read your post, my "radar" shot up !

And I do find it "interesting" that the very first time JI has to work overnight, there is a "party" ... and the window is open and the door is unlocked ... and Baby Lisa is MISSING !

IMO ... both Baby Lisa's parents have come across as "deceptive" -- as if they are hiding something.

MOO ...

One box of wine does not a party make. A case or two maybe but not one box. kwim :wink:
I can't find anywhere in MSM that there was a party.:waitasec:

 

[partyuv5]

Are there many homeless people that hang around that store? Maybe she was buying a box of wine for one of them instead of money?

Paper plates and napkins could just be incidental.

Still, why wouldn't she mention this person on HER list of suspects. She really just couldn't think of anyone. They gave up the kid with the garage code, which makes me think he didn't have anythng at all to do with it.

I have lived in this area most of my life and within 3 miles of where baby Lisa lives. I have never seen a homeless man at any of our stores or street corners.... I wonder why she chose festival when Thriftway is about 1/2 mile from her house? Thriftway sales box wine too.

 

[shorty42404]

wish we knew what time he went to work! 8 Hour shift would put him starting at 7p.

A couple articles did say "overnight" shift and "late night" shift so I don't know if that could mean it's more than an 8 hour shift or just means it was a later shift. If it was 8 hours than yea, it started at 7p. Even so though, Let's say the Starbucks wasn't close or maybe there is a lot of traffic and he left more like 6/6:30. Plus, he'd have to get ready or possibly slept some before leaving. Eh, who knows :smile:

 

[Melanie]

Shall I pour you a glass or would you like it straight outta da box?:innocent:

The wine doesn't bug me, but I sure wanna know who this unidentified man was. And it sounds like LE had to find out this information via finding the receipt vs. mom providing the information to LE. I'm just assuming so, because I haven't heard otherwise.

However, we prolly would have heard of this earlier if mom had told LE the first day, no?

I would have also been happier if mom went to the store to buy new kitty supplies by herself, then with some unidentified man who is not her husband, or live-in-boyfriend/fiance.

What else did mom do that day? Who is this guy?

MOO

Mel

 

[StJohn]

I'm not getting that perception by posts here...but, if this info was left out of her timeline it does not look good. Not that she bought or drinks wine with whoever but, that at a moment like this...your infant is missing and you omit this bit of info...what else will you be omitting?

This isn't a time that one should be omitting anything out of their timeline when LE is there to help you find your missing child.

I don't think we can assume that DB omitted anything. For all we know, DB may have struck up a conversation with a man in line at the supermarket, and LE is interested in him because of that reason alone. If I were suffering from the trauma of my child being abducted, I am not sure that I would be able to offer up every detail that happened the day before. Some people's mind's "go blank" during times of extreme stress.

 

[gwenabob]

I have lived in this area most of my life and within 3 miles of where baby Lisa lives. I have never seen a homeless man at any of our stores or street corners.... I wonder why she chose festival when Thriftway is about 1/2 mile from her house? Thriftway sales box wine too.

Maybe it was on her way to/from someone else's house?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Maybe the person getting the wine is not supposed to be drinking. Maybe he doesn't have a drivers license or car. Just thinking outside the ferment box.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I guess the way I see it is, Sunday big party for one of the kids. Monday kids probably in school, she's still cleaning up dealing with it, did I read one of mom's sibs has a bday coming up? Probably planning for it, planning for Dad's first day working nights, waits for him to get up then runs to the store for plates & grabs a box of wine while there.

I think under that much stress, under the circumstances I'd likely forget something, too. Heck sometimes I'll tell DH about my day and then a few days later remember I forgot a very significant event that day. You could say "I have a receipt from Taco Bell from Thursday" and I'd adamantly deny it, once you showed me footage I'd finally remember stopping to get the kids a cheese roll on the way home from shopping, but I could recount my day 100 times and forget that very insignificant stop.

I could be totally wrong, maybe she snuck out w/some guy and bought wine and got toasted, but I can see how she could forget and even deny it. Maybe being able to relate to having young children who suck the life out of you and in a constant state of sleep deprivation makes it easier to forget stuff.

all my opinion only

 

[marge_rita]

This explains why the teen was there watching a movie. Baby sitting.

My thought too Soulmagent.

Now, was it ever mentioned if the older 2 boys, Lisa's half brothers, were talked to by LE?
The half brothers could shed light and truth on D's story about the day Lisa disappeared.


imo