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All I want to know is what were you going to do, or what did you do with the shovel when you borrowed it Casey? Is there something burried in that backyard never found?

Oh her story on that was going to be that she was getting the ladder out of the pool. This was worked out between her, CA, and GA. It's on a Tracy McLaughlin interview that she overheard them talking about it.
 
I think the State was over-zealous in seeking the death penalty. This was probably more a reaction to the public outrage and less an assessment of the evidence available for the charges. I say that even though I think she should have been found guilty of Murder 1, as there was enough evidence to show she committed at least felony aggravated manslaughter of a child, making it a Murder 1. The thing is, that isn't a death penalty type crime really, as she in that circumstance wasn't trying to kill Caylee, she was possibly just trying to knock her out with chloroform (and actually I think her death was intentional, but for the sake of reasonable doubt, I think it is fathomable it was a culpable accident).

The problem with seeking the death penalty is that the State then tried to give the narrative that would warrant this, rather than purposely entertain the notion of a culpable accident with the jury to show how that is still Murder 1. I think this could have helped, when I listen to Jennifer Ford I sense someone who was taking that death penalty point very seriously, almost as if she then felt gun shy to reach a guilty verdict for fear of being wrong. That mind-set could have affected her ability to reason and sort the facts out with any kind of boldness. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt on that. I've been thinking they were all just incompetent up to now. Factually they should have been able to sort it out regardless, so I have the same opinion really. But perhaps the State could have presented it more embracively of the potential doubts that could rise up in the jury.
This was the guilt phase...not the penalty phase. There were instructions about that as well. Again...instructions they chose to ignore.
 
This was the guilt phase...not the penalty phase. There were instructions about that as well. Again...instructions they chose to ignore.

BRAVO RR0004!!!! :rocker::rocker::rocker:

Finally!!! A voice of reason!!!

You are exactly right! The jury was to decide on GUILT FIRST then if she was found guilty, they went to the PENALTY phase! These jurors were so confused they didn't know if they were deciding guilt or death! :banghead:

From the interviews I've heard from Jennifer Ford, she seems inept when discussing why they found her not guilty. She didn't realize they (they jurors) had to decide GUILT FIRST then PENALTY SECOND!!!

Came back to add this: I wonder if the jurors were paying any attention at all when Judge Perry was reading the instructions? Did they fall asleep? Did they lose interest? They could've easily asked for clarification on the instructions but not ONE juror did that!

Another opinion of mine is the jurors did not want to stick around Orlanda another 5+ days for a penalty phase. I would bet my bottom dollar that these 5 extra days were discussed in the deliberations and an all-important-cruise outweighed the death of a precious, innocent child. :furious:
 
I agree that common sense and speculation are completely different, no argument there. However it is my opinion that the jury used SPECULATION to reach their verdict. They speculated that GA wasn't believable and speculated on the so-called lack of evidence. The jury speculated that the Prosecution could not prove "cause of death" but that wasn't, by law, up to the jurors for speculation!

Common sense goes a long way in deciding guilt or non-guilt. Common sense is that inner voice or conscience that tells a person that something is "not right" or "something doesn't feel right". The jurors did not use one ounce of common sense in their deliberations. If they had, they would've found Casey guilty of aggravated manslaughter at the very least. The jurors completely forgot that a CHILD IS DEAD and she was last seen with her mother. That one phrase "A CHILD IS DEAD" seems to be forgotten in this entire brouhaha. Casey Anthony is NOT the victim, she is the defendant, the one being accused of THE CRIME! CAYLEE ANTHONY IS THE VICTIM!!!!! What is so freakin' hard to understand? Caylee is DEAD and no justice has been served!!!! :furious:

Spin it however you want beccalecca1, as you said in a prior post, you and 1/3 of the country believe the jury made the right decision. Why is it that 2/3s of the country that believe Casey got away with murder so angry? Because she DID get away with murder! :furious:



Thank you, I bow to you wise one.
Caylee was forgotton in this mess of a trial. That baby deseved justice & she didn't get it. She was forgotten & thrown away like trash once again.
 
What I want to know is that if someone doesn't think KC killed Caylee, how do you think she died and how do you explain her ending up in trash bags with duct tape? And why would KC as a mother not report an accident? Not being sarcastic, I really want to know. I can't think of one innocent reason for her to end up on the side of the road as trash.
 
Snipped for space and BBM - There's already an admission by a juror that they had their mind made up even before they deliberated......so much for people that could listen to the evidence.

Wow. I missed this. Which juror? Where can I hear/see/read more about this? Are you saying that one juror had his/her mind made up before deliberations began or more than one juror? I'm a bit confused by the use of the word "they" (bolded above by me). Thanks.
 
Thank you for your honesty and for taking the time to examine it all within yourself. This was evident from the original post from you.

All I can add is that the jury only deliberated *together* for those 11 hours. Prior to that each deliberated silently with their own thoughts day in day out for the duration of the trial. Some days didn't the trial run like 10 hours? Most 8 hours. Some times 6 days a week. In between popins and outs and breaks. But at a minimum we could pretty much say 9-5 Mon-Fri. I am sure they didn't just leave their thoughts in their jury chairs every day.

They talked about the concept of not trying to impose their views on another juror who might of disagreed with them when they posed questions in jury selection.

For me personally, I watched the trial, every moment of it. I also had the benefit of DVR replay. I also came into the trial having been slammed at every turn by all the medial sensationalism. As well as the gospel of the Anthony lives according to Nancy Grace. I didn't buy into the media hype but it sure hooked my curiosity to watch the trial. I knew by closing arguments I would have found her not guilty simply because the prosecution didn't prove to me she was guilty. No one has said anything to change my mind in 3 years and the trial solidified it. I could of deliberated for 11 hours, 11 weeks or 11 months and my view wouldn't change. I wouldn't of needed anything read back because I got it the first time around however I would of listened intently if anyone else did. Personally I deliberated in my own head. 11 hours would of been way too many hours to discuss something I was already solid on but I would have done so out of respect for the process and others peoples need to decide if undecided. If I were on the jury deliberating, I would of respectfully explained my views and listened to the others and weighed them against mine but nothing would of changed my mind on what I already knew to be true. I, like you, spend hours a day pouring over the other sides arguments and ideas and thoughts (and emotions because both sides have emotion) and still I come back to that she is to be presumed innocent and the prosecution didn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt she was guilty of murder. (to me)

This is the system we have. This is what we get under a right to a trial by a jury of our peers which are a random cross section of society. It doesn't work all the time because often our system is a legal system not a justice system and often, the two exist in parallel.

Personally I was as stunned as everyone else at the verdict except my drop jaw reaction was because I figured guilty was a done deal. I was amazed they found people who could listen to the evidence and who hadn't already made up their mind she was guilty like so much of the court of public opinion.

Once again I thank you for your honesty in answering my questions. I appreciated that more than you will know :)

BBM. With all due respect, this jury did not watch and absorb this trial for three years. They missed the real down-to-earth nitty-gritty solid boring factual evidence that was uncovered. Much of the evidence which the SA had was accumulated was objected to by the DT as prejudicial. Yet JB himself felt free enough to say that FCA was a liar and a *advertiser censored*. I find this entire jury verdict an insult in the name of justice. Rather than judging FCA on what the SA found, the jury found JB's outrageous obscene and unproved opening statement easier to consider. Sex plus sex equals sexy, and JB liked using the word "sexy" in a slimy evil manner. The jurors liked how JB dazzled them with his smutty, smirky strutting, rude and crude behavior . My five-year-old was adept at connect-the-dots pictures, and the jury must have thought JB was brilliant with all his charts that weren't factual but they muddied up the facts just enough to make sense. Much of the testimony from the DT witnesses was slanted toward what the defense wanted the jurors to hear. Amazing what powerful ideas can be manipulated with choice words. The most despicable were used and abused by the DT. Acceptable, hell no!
 
I think the State was over-zealous in seeking the death penalty. This was probably more a reaction to the public outrage and less an assessment of the evidence available for the charges. I say that even though I think she should have been found guilty of Murder 1, as there was enough evidence to show she committed at least felony aggravated manslaughter of a child, making it a Murder 1. The thing is, that isn't a death penalty type crime really, as she in that circumstance wasn't trying to kill Caylee, she was possibly just trying to knock her out with chloroform (and actually I think her death was intentional, but for the sake of reasonable doubt, I think it is fathomable it was a culpable accident).

The problem with seeking the death penalty is that the State then tried to give the narrative that would warrant this, rather than purposely entertain the notion of a culpable accident with the jury to show how that is still Murder 1. I think this could have helped, when I listen to Jennifer Ford I sense someone who was taking that death penalty point very seriously, almost as if she then felt gun shy to reach a guilty verdict for fear of being wrong. That mind-set could have affected her ability to reason and sort the facts out with any kind of boldness. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt on that. I've been thinking they were all just incompetent up to now. Factually they should have been able to sort it out regardless, so I have the same opinion really. But perhaps the State could have presented it more embracively of the potential doubts that could rise up in the jury.

i always felt like the state threw the DP on the table hoping it would garner a confession. it was a gamble and they lost. it was a huge risk considering most people would have a pretty hard time convicting of 1st degree if they feared the DP would be charged and they didnt want it to. maybe fear of being outvoted. the strange thing is they had all the lesser charges and it got overshadowed by the DP. for thr life of me i cant figure out how JF thought anything less than 1st degree could get DP punishment. also didnt she make that odd statement that there should have been lesser charges to choose from or there weren't????:banghead: its like she got so caught up in the DP she lost all sense
 
i always felt like the state threw the DP on the table hoping it would garner a confession. it was a gamble and they lost. it was a huge risk considering most people would have a pretty hard time convicting of 1st degree if they feared the DP would be charged and they didnt want it to. maybe fear of being outvoted. the strange thing is they had all the lesser charges and it got overshadowed by the DP. for thr life of me i cant figure out how JF thought anything less than 1st degree could get DP punishment. also didnt she make that odd statement that there should have been lesser charges to choose from or there weren't????:banghead: its like she got so caught up in the DP she lost all sense

Yeah I've also heard that the DP was sought for political reasons, for the DA to get elected for political office. I agree about JF, very frustrating. I particularly found it so because she sounded so sure of herself.
 
Excellent post IMO. I know the jury was not allowed to count FCA's refusal to testify against her, but at the same time I would wonder if she were so innocent and had almost nothing to do with what happened to Caylee, why couldn't she talk? If what she was claiming really happened, it should have been easy for her to get on the stand and explain. Instead, we got Baez's story in the OS and nothing to back it up. Aaaaah! Even if they couldn't hold the lack of testimony against FCA, why wouldn't the jurors wonder why Baez had nothing to back up what HE stated? Wasn't his totally innocent client able to at least give him some information to back up the claim, something her lawyer could present as proof, even if she didn't testify on her own behalf? Hmmm...


I think Dr. G must be pretty good at looking at things objectively or she would be lying in a heap on the floor. I'm sure Caylee is not the first child, and unfortunately won't be the last, that Dr. G has done an autopsy on.


Just wanted to echo what others said about Dr. G saying that 100% of people call 911 when a child dies in an accident. She was making the point that no one whose child dies in accident under innocent circumstances (i.e., not neglect, not intentional, caretaker not impaired by substance use) has ever tried to lie and hide it.

But...In JB's OS, it gave "reasonable doubt" RIGHT THEN to people that have NEVER followed this case....I'm sure JB's statement was in the back of their minds at ALL times.
 
i always felt like the state threw the DP on the table hoping it would garner a confession. it was a gamble and they lost. it was a huge risk considering most people would have a pretty hard time convicting of 1st degree if they feared the DP would be charged and they didnt want it to. maybe fear of being outvoted. the strange thing is they had all the lesser charges and it got overshadowed by the DP. for thr life of me i cant figure out how JF thought anything less than 1st degree could get DP punishment. also didnt she make that odd statement that there should have been lesser charges to choose from or there weren't????:banghead: its like she got so caught up in the DP she lost all sense

erinleigh I think JF and other jurors thought voting her guilty on any of the three (or was it four) counts would've brought the death penalty. What they didn't understand was it was them, the jurors, that would've decided on LIFE or DEATH!!! :banghead: Yes, Judge Perry could've changed the sentence but ultimately it was the juror's job to decide on guilt first then decide on life or death afterwards. :banghead: It seems this went completely over their heads and they never looked back! :furious:
 
erinleigh I think JF and other jurors thought voting her guilty on any of the three (or was it four) counts would've brought the death penalty. What they didn't understand was it was them, the jurors, that would've decided on LIFE or DEATH!!! :banghead: Yes, Judge Perry could've changed the sentence but ultimately it was the juror's job to decide on guilt first then decide on life or death afterwards. :banghead: It seems this went completely over their heads and they never looked back! :furious:

The DP should have never been on the table in the first place.....
 
But the DT did prove something. They proved that you can sidetrack and capture a jury by a ficticious opening statement accusing a family member of sexually molesting the defendant. They proved that this jury prefered to entertain and retain JB's unproven, outrageous, gag-me, more vivid sex-rated depiction of GA's penis in FCA's mouth. The jury so focused did not ignore this and deliberate on the tape on Caylee Marie's mouth.

They must have really been on the same page as JB for some reason - because I cannot make the connection between supposedly being molested somehow meaning you don't report your child missing.
 
Horace Finklestein your siggy line, "When we have finally spoken, everyone, and I mean everyone, will sit back and say 'now I understand' 'that explains it'." -Jose Baez, caught my eye and I have to make a comment.

Well, they have spoken and I am sitting back and saying I DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU DID NOT EXPLAIN IT!!!! Obviously I'm not the only one that doesn't understand "it" either, the drowning story, the molestation story, the 'George is the bad guy story', the Cindy perjuring herself story, the Casey not guilty story, the Casey going to be rich story, etc.

In regards to this case, I will NEVER sit back and say "now I understand, that explains it". :furious:
 
Thank you for your honesty and for taking the time to examine it all within yourself. This was evident from the original post from you.

All I can add is that the jury only deliberated *together* for those 11 hours. Prior to that each deliberated silently with their own thoughts day in day out for the duration of the trial. Some days didn't the trial run like 10 hours? Most 8 hours. Some times 6 days a week. In between popins and outs and breaks. But at a minimum we could pretty much say 9-5 Mon-Fri. I am sure they didn't just leave their thoughts in their jury chairs every day.

They talked about the concept of not trying to impose their views on another juror who might of disagreed with them when they posed questions in jury selection.

For me personally, I watched the trial, every moment of it. I also had the benefit of DVR replay. I also came into the trial having been slammed at every turn by all the medial sensationalism. As well as the gospel of the Anthony lives according to Nancy Grace. I didn't buy into the media hype but it sure hooked my curiosity to watch the trial. I knew by closing arguments I would have found her not guilty simply because the prosecution didn't prove to me she was guilty. No one has said anything to change my mind in 3 years and the trial solidified it. I could of deliberated for 11 hours, 11 weeks or 11 months and my view wouldn't change. I wouldn't of needed anything read back because I got it the first time around however I would of listened intently if anyone else did. Personally I deliberated in my own head. 11 hours would of been way too many hours to discuss something I was already solid on but I would have done so out of respect for the process and others peoples need to decide if undecided. If I were on the jury deliberating, I would of respectfully explained my views and listened to the others and weighed them against mine but nothing would of changed my mind on what I already knew to be true. I, like you, spend hours a day pouring over the other sides arguments and ideas and thoughts (and emotions because both sides have emotion) and still I come back to that she is to be presumed innocent and the prosecution didn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt she was guilty of murder. (to me)

This is the system we have. This is what we get under a right to a trial by a jury of our peers which are a random cross section of society. It doesn't work all the time because often our system is a legal system not a justice system and often, the two exist in parallel.

Personally I was as stunned as everyone else at the verdict except my drop jaw reaction was because I figured guilty was a done deal. I was amazed they found people who could listen to the evidence and who hadn't already made up their mind she was guilty like so much of the court of public opinion.

Once again I thank you for your honesty in answering my questions. I appreciated that more than you will know :)

You mean disregard scientifc evidence and treat hyperbole and unproven claims as evidence?
 
There is no way you know if KC was sexual assaulted. It wasn't proven in this trial but we don't positively know. That is why JB couldn't bring it up in his closing statements, he didn't prove it in trial.
You wouldn't be judge very long if you would have called an instant mistrial for this!!!!! JMOO

We do know there is no evidence that being molested would have explained or excused any of her behavior.
 
They must have really been on the same page as JB for some reason - because I cannot make the connection between supposedly being molested somehow meaning you don't report your child missing.
...and if their story held any weight...why on earth was Caylee not found in her pajamas? George didn't dress her...as they would have liked us to believe...and no way did he undress his drowned granddaughter to redress her (remember, according to them, it was the early morning hours) and ultimately put her in a laundry basket and garbage bags. How Caylee was discarded clearly (IMO) shows a consciousness of guilt for a crime (NOT an accident) committed.
 
And another thing....

IF and I do mean a BIG IF Caylee drowned accidentally, Casey would've been singing from the top of her lungs like the proverbial canary. No way in hell would she have spent 3 years in jail for an "accident"!!!!
 
BBM. With all due respect, this jury did not watch and absorb this trial for three years. They missed the real down-to-earth nitty-gritty solid boring factual evidence that was uncovered. Much of the evidence which the SA had was accumulated was objected to by the DT as prejudicial.

*respectfully snipped*

I didn't say the jury watched 3 years worth. I said I did. If they didn't (and we can't know if they did or didn't) they missed the media sensationalism. What they were supposed to base their verdict on was ONLY the evidence presented in court.
 
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