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bolded by me.........decomp is decomp, no matter what.
Uh-huh. Even GA figured that out by the smell alone.
bolded by me.........decomp is decomp, no matter what.
there is no evidence, at all, supported by case documents or anything else released to date that would quantify throwing ah under the bus as a possible accomplice for caylee's death, much less any plans to murder the elder a's.
Not that kc might not have had such plans, just that it makes no sense whatsoever to me to hear victims/friends of kc's (i.e. Ah, jg, tl) get tossed under the bus over and over again.
HP Desktop Compaq Laptop
16-Jun
12AM 1AM 49% *****
7AM 8AM 74% *******
8AM 9AM 15% **
10AM 11AM 80% ********
11AM 12PM 49% ***** 0%
1PM 2PM 1%
2PM 3PM 82% ******** 1%
4PM 5PM 1%
11PM 12AM 23% **
17-Jun
12AM 1AM 3%
1AM 2AM 6% *
3AM 4AM 36% ****
4AM 5AM 5% *
8AM 9AM 5% *
12PM 1PM 26% ***
1PM 2PM 3%
2PM 3PM 80% ********
4PM 5PM 13% *
7PM 8PM 54% *****
8PM 9PM 44% ****
9PM 10PM 100% **********
10PM 11PM 65% *****
11PM 12AM 6% *
I believe that several folks on this board have suggested that Caylee died due to an accidental drowning in her parent's pool. When that happened, a fuse blew in Casey's brain and she went down the path of trying to hide her negligence.
I think some evidence in the latest document dump points to a distinct possibility that an accident occurred at the parent's home the afternoon of June 16. I will repost what I wrote on the Computer Forensics thread (with a couple additional comments), and then tie in a statement made to the female bounty hunter, as well as offer a further hypothesis regarding the source of the chloroform.
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On pages 2844 and 2845 are two screen shots of a computer forensic application called Encase Law Enforcement. It appears that this program is reporting the number of files that were created / written / accessed / modified / deleted. The data is summarized to show hourly activity on the HP desktop and Compaq laptop by hour for the days of June 16 and June 17. Although we do not know exactly what each "dot" means in the plot, we can use the information to see a relative usage pattern.
I am going to make the following assumptions:
1) The HP desktop always stays in the Anthony home
2) The Compaq laptop traveled around with Casey
3) Cindy's working hours ~ 8-5 PM so not at home during that time
4) George's working hours ~ 2-10 PM so not at home during that time
5) Cindy clearly used computer for email and managing social networking page
6) Not sure what George's usage of computer was, but reasonable to assume he surfed as well.
Looking back at the screen shot, although we do not know exactly what each "dot" means in the plot, we can use the information to see a relative usage pattern. What I have done below is show the relative usage of the two computers, as reported by EnCase. The 100% from 9-10 PM on the 17th for the Compaq computer means that was the most active computer usage for either computer during the two days. A 49% from 12-1 AM on the 16th for the desktop means the computer was roughly half as active as the previous example.
My interpretation is as follows:Code:HP Desktop Compaq Laptop 16-Jun 12AM 1AM 49% ***** 7AM 8AM 74% ******* 8AM 9AM 15% ** 10AM 11AM 80% ******** 11AM 12PM 49% ***** 0% 1PM 2PM 1% 2PM 3PM 82% ******** 1% 4PM 5PM 1% 11PM 12AM 23% ** 17-Jun 12AM 1AM 3% 1AM 2AM 6% * 3AM 4AM 36% **** 4AM 5AM 5% * 8AM 9AM 5% * 12PM 1PM 26% *** 1PM 2PM 3% 2PM 3PM 80% ******** 4PM 5PM 13% * 7PM 8PM 54% ***** 8PM 9PM 44% **** 9PM 10PM 100% ********** 10PM 11PM 65% ***** 11PM 12AM 6% *
The HP computer had relatively light usage on the 17th. I believe this was likely indicative of the parent's computer usage. The 11PM to 1AM usage into the 17th is probably Cindy, and after that is probably George - based on when each has to get up for work in the AM. Yes, seems odd for George, but maybe he was surfing Websleuths. :waitasec:
KC was a very active user, based on what we see with the Compaq on the 17th. Thus, based on the level of activity and the assumptions I listed above, I humbly conclude the following:
KC spent the night of the 15th / morning of the 16 at her parents. She is very active on the HP in the morning, probably before Caylee gets up. Caylee gets up between 8 and 9, usage drops. Caylee then plays or watches TV from 9-10 while Casey gets back on the computer until noon.
From noon to 2 PM there is no HP activity, supporting George's statements he saw the two and they left around 1 PM. However, from 2 to 3 - after George has left for work - the usage goes way up. This is the second most active period of either computer during this time. This indicates Casey returned to the parent's home.
Usage abruptly ends at 3 PM. Not only that, but the cell phone records indicate usage abruptly ends at the same time. I suspect Casey was preoccupied from 2 to 3 and not paying attention to Caylee. Around 3 PM, I submit, is when Casey discovers something awful happened to Caylee.
The minimal activity seen on the Compaq (and I do mean minimal) can easily be explained by the laptop being powered on and open and connected to the internet. This alone will cause some small number of files to be accessed and modified. Casey did not really need to be doing anything on the computer.
< End cross-post
Now recall that the female bounty hunter, Tracy, allegedly overhead Casey say "They haven't even found the clothes she was wearing" about those searching for Caylee.
I have been trying to figure out a reasonable explanation as to why Casey would remove Caylee's clothes. I believe such a statement might indicate that Casey, having already decided she needed to cover up her neglect but still in both shock and a panic, removed Caylee's wet clothes. She may have put Caylee in dry clothes, or maybe not. But I think it is those wet clothes that Casey discarded somewhere. :waitasec:
Wet clothes and perhaps a wet towel were then tossed in the trunk. Caylee was placed there as well. The wet things were eventually tossed somewhere, but remained in the trunk for some period of time. Therefore, to add further support to th accidental drowning theory, I offer this sentence from the Wisconsin Department of Health Services:
Chloroform can be formed during the break-down of chlorine-containing compounds, and may be found in in small amounts in chlorinated drinking or swimming pool water.
Some will note the "small amounts" portion of the above, but we do not know how heavily the Anthony's chlorinated their water. Also, I would bet that the small amount is way larger than what would normally be found in the trunk of a car.
J
I have wondered whether chlorinated water in the stomach and/or lungs, together with that which might be absorbed by the skin and clothing, would result in the level of chloroform found in the air sample test, which was performed on the carpet samples themselves (presumably the stained area) and not the actual air in the trunk.
I saw this question asked on one of the forums I read.
Never saw an answer.
I'll ask here.....
Can anyone recall if GA said he saw Caylee walk out the house on June 16?
Or was Casey carrying her?
TIA
LP seems to think she died in the early hours....
JWG, I have already stated on the computer forensics thread that my own theory as to how and when Caylee died is similar to yours, and now you are also making the same theoretical link with the chloroform results as I have been pondering!
I have wondered whether chlorinated water in the stomach and/or lungs, together with that which might be absorbed by the skin and clothing, would result in the level of chloroform found in the air sample test, which was performed on the carpet samples themselves (presumably the stained area) and not the actual air in the trunk.
I realise there are apparently also computer searches for chloroform which require an explanation, but we don't yet know who actually performed those searches. Even if it was KC, there is a possibility that the search was in relation to something totally unconnected, e.g. adult drug use, or self-defence, or just out of curiosity. If anyone were to examine my PC searches, they would find all sorts of strange and potentially sinister and morbid search terms that I have done at one time or another, sometimes for a specific purpose and sometimes out of pure curiosity, but I sure haven't been planning any heinous crimes!
I am not an organic chemist but what I read a while ago was that chloroform can be produced as a byproduct of a number of organic interactions with chlorine. One example is that chlorine reacts with Triclosan (a widely used antibacterial agent found in many personal hygiene products) to form chloroform as a byproduct. I have also read that it will react with urine to do the same. Thus, I would not be surprised to learn that chlorinated water in the lungs would react with decomposition fluids to produce chloriform.
I saw this question asked on one of the forums I read.
Never saw an answer.
I'll ask here.....
Can anyone recall if GA said he saw Caylee walk out the house on June 16?
Or was Casey carrying her?
TIA
LP seems to think she died in the early hours....
Just to be as clear as possible, the expert on Nancy Grace said due to the extremely high level of chloroform, what was in the trunk was pure chloroform, not an accidental byproduct of drowning or decomposition.
I then did a search of Greta Wire, and this is the best I could extract from a comment posted (the original source was a WESH article, and the link is posted there):NATISHA LANCE, PRODUCER, NANCY GRACE: Well, there were searches for chloroform on the computer. However, the chloroform that was found in the trunk, experts have said that it was in such a pure form that it couldn`t have come from any type of cleaning solvent or anything like that. It had to have come from a pure form of chloroform itself.
Now, going back to the forensic report, the comments say there was an unusually large concentration of chloroform - far greater than what is typically seen in human decomposition. However, nowhere in the report is purity discussed, nor is the actual concentration value indicated. None of the released materials contain this value.Local Chemist Calls Chloroform In Anthonys Car Definitive
Sources with knowledge of the investigation told WESH 2 that air samples from Casey Anthonys car came back positive for vaporized chloroform.
I think its as significant or more significant than finding decomposition products, chemist Jeff Flowers said.
Flowers has testified in state and federal court as an expert and said positive tests for vaporized chloroform mean those results could not have come from cleaning products, human body fluids or a mixture of anything else. Flowers said it had to have been pure chloroform.
It could not have come from a chemical reaction in the trunk. Its impossible. That solvent could knock out the driver of the car. Its a very dangerous thing to have that material in your car, Flowers said.