Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #3

[debs]

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In reality, it was because there was a big fight and CA's assumption was that KC was witholding Caylee from CA to spite her as well as never letting them talk on the phone, always some excuse.
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This is not confirmed reality, but our speculation. While it could be an "educated guess" it simply is impossible to know exactly what motivated Casey to leave with Caylee. We cannot even agree whether she left on the evening of the 15th or the early afternoon of the 16th. We can read Cindy's July 3rd Myspace lament about Caylee being missing and how Cindy states it is because of jealousy, but Cindy doesn't say anything about a fight. It is only speculation that there was one. We have rumors of a choking incident, but no facts supporting it. As far as I am aware, two people LP and Jesse have made statements about this incident and attribute the source as Lee. Lee has never confirmed it.

 

[Lanie]

This website has alot of info & some different details of events. I don't know if you have seen this before!!

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_timeline2008June.htm

AWESOME!!:blowkiss:
I've been on that site before, but didn't get around to that part of it. Thanks!
Lanie

 

[Lanie]

This is not confirmed reality, but our speculation. While it could be an "educated guess" it simply is impossible to know exactly what motivated Casey to leave with Caylee. We cannot even agree whether she left on the evening of the 15th or the early afternoon of the 16th. We can read Cindy's July 3rd Myspace lament about Caylee being missing and how Cindy states it is because of jealousy, but Cindy doesn't say anything about a fight. It is only speculation that there was one. We have rumors of a choking incident, but no facts supporting it. As far as I am aware, two people LP and Jesse have made statements about this incident and attribute the source as Lee. Lee has never confirmed it.

In most cases, maybe not the perp, but most everyone else you can pretty much go by what they are saying. The main players have lied so much in this case, it is hard to believe the simplest things without some kind of outside verification. Then you have to keep up with what has been verified and what hasn't, and then, you have something like the fight which has been posted so many times people take it as fact when it isn't. It is hard to keep up with.
Lanie

 

[debs]

In most cases, maybe not the perp, but most everyone else you can pretty much go by what they are saying. The main players have lied so much in this case, it is hard to believe the simplest things without some kind of outside verification. Then you have to keep up with what has been verified and what hasn't, and then, you have something like the fight which has been posted so many times people take it as fact when it isn't. It is hard to keep up with.
Lanie

I agree that there are the liars and the most likely truthful people in this case. However, I do not consider something that has never been validated by the person who is supposed to be the source of some piece of information that is being utilized to make a motive. It wouldn't be taken as evidence in a court of law and could be put to rest immediately by Lee being asked on the stand if he said it. He could say no, and it could be pointed out that two other people say yes he did, but at the end of the day, it won't add anything to either side. The defense will need to stay away from it because it goes to motive and the State's case couldn't be proved using it. So it's just speculation and until Lee confirms it, it is worthless.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Casey was supposed to be on a mini-vacation with Caylee, according to various posters, but I don't know where that info comes from, or if it is verified. Sigh, there is just so much to keep track of, and whether it is rumour or fact.
Anyway, I would be interested if the fight on June 15th took place. If it did, was this mini-vacation planned after the fight, or was it already in place? If Mini-Vac. is true, I think Casey was trying to call her parents to pretend to be wherever she claimed to be going so if they noticed things out of place in the house they wouldn't connect her as being there.
Lanie

As far as I recall, earlier on the 16th KC had just told GA when she and Caylee were leaving that she was simply planning to "work an event" that night. I think the context is helpful to remember too, in that CA had been badgering and berading KC for going out and not watching Caylee, for not taking more responsbility for her daughter or being more of a hands-on mother. In fairness to CA I've said many times that following argument it is possible (though unfortunate) that CA could have simply been hoping KC was actually stepping up and finally acting like a mom (or at least trying to prove she had everything handled); or that at the worst KC was just being manipulative or prideful following argument and CA's threats to kick KC out.

Having done the unthinkable, and proving herself the unfit mother her mother always accused her of being KC conceals the horrible truth and avoids facing CA or taking responsibility by going into "hiding." While being denied a chance to speak with Caylee as KC goes on spinning her web of lies, making excuses and assuring her repeatedly that Caylee is fine, maybe CA's secretly relieved or even praying and hoping that maybe just maybe her daughter might finally be stepping up, earning some income of her own for a change and acting like a responsible parent? In any case, I do believe all of these were factors that played a role in buying KC more time. JMO

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

For some reason, after finding Caylee, LE searched the bedroom. I believe it has to be connected in some way, but how? If Caylee died inside of the house it might explain these searches. It also might explain why Casey told Cindy she gave the nanny a key to the house.

Can anyone think of another reason Casey may have given the key story?

In case they found some kind of dna evidence in the home. I'm thinking more along the line of body fluids, blood, vomit, etc?

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

it is risky. but so is dumping Caylee so close to the road. lying to police officers about a job and a nanny. etc, etc, etc...the girl is as risky (or stupid) as they come.

...the main reason I believe Caylee was in the backyard is because of the dog hits...if not I would also do away with it but the dogs hit in the backyard.

Dogs may have hit in the backyard after Casey went back there to "set down the pool ladder". Possible she had Caylee's DNA on herself. We don't know if an overdose of chloroform caused a convulsion with bloody vomiting or whatever. For that matter, we don't even really know the true cause of death...or where exactly. So we can only speculate.

As for dumping Caylee so close to the road...I don't think she did. I think the body washed to that point after the water went down. I just find it too hard to believe that she would have just sat her in the bag anywhere...without burying it.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

but according to the dog hits...a dead body had been in that backyard. if not Caylee's, whos?

I've not been able to actually verifiy anywhere that the dog's HIT in the backyard as a fact. A lot of posts, but not news reports by investigators. Hits by the garage and car trunk, yes. They brought a dog in the backyard near some bushes and later another dog...but if you can show where that may have been a "hit" then I would consider other theories.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

but according to the dog hits...a dead body had been in that backyard. if not Caylee's, whos?

I've not been able to actually verifiy anywhere that the dog's HIT in the backyard as a fact. A lot of posts, but not news reports by investigators. Hits by the garage and car trunk, yes. They brought a dog in the backyard near some bushes and later another dog...but if you can show where that may have been a "hit" then I would consider other theories.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

but according to the dog hits...a dead body had been in that backyard. if not Caylee's, whos?

I've not been able to actually verifiy anywhere that the dog's HIT in the backyard as a fact. A lot of posts, but not news reports by investigators. Hits by the garage and car trunk, yes. They brought a dog in the backyard near some bushes and later another dog...but if you can show where that may have been a "hit" then I would consider other theories.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Hi Turbo,

IIRC, one of the experts who had seen the area explained that it appeared to him the bones were carried by the force of water. Apparently it was a drainage area(maybe even a pipe nearby? not sure) and the water can move quickly at times while draining. He added that the pattern of the scattered bones was somewhat linear, and followed the flow of the water pattern.

A drainage area? A pipe? Now that may be somewhere that she would have placed Caylee's body in the bag. I still find it hard to believe she just set it on the ground.

 

[cyberborg]

This is not confirmed reality, but our speculation. While it could be an "educated guess" it simply is impossible to know exactly what motivated Casey to leave with Caylee. We cannot even agree whether she left on the evening of the 15th or the early afternoon of the 16th. We can read Cindy's July 3rd Myspace lament about Caylee being missing and how Cindy states it is because of jealousy, but Cindy doesn't say anything about a fight. It is only speculation that there was one. We have rumors of a choking incident, but no facts supporting it. As far as I am aware, two people LP and Jesse have made statements about this incident and attribute the source as Lee. Lee has never confirmed it.

IIRC. It was confirmed by CA's brother Rick?

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I agree that there are the liars and the most likely truthful people in this case. However, I do not consider something that has never been validated by the person who is supposed to be the source of some piece of information that is being utilized to make a motive. It wouldn't be taken as evidence in a court of law and could be put to rest immediately by Lee being asked on the stand if he said it. He could say no, and it could be pointed out that two other people say yes he did, but at the end of the day, it won't add anything to either side. The defense will need to stay away from it because it goes to motive and the State's case couldn't be proved using it. So it's just speculation and until Lee confirms it, it is worthless.

Initially I had very distasteful thoughts of Cindy Anthony, myself. However, as time went on and the more I evaluated her...and the more I learned of this woman...I've changed my mind on how I feel about her. This woman has been under tremendous stress and strain long before Caylee went missing. She had the right mind to realize something needed to happen and signed herself up for therapy for help. She seems to be the only one who can and does confront Casey because George doesn't seem to do anything around that house from working to supporting Cindy. Casey is still his princess...no matter. I think he compounded the problem of who and what Casey became a lot more than the rearing that Cindy did. Watch this video of Cindy explaining to the interviewer as to why she washed the pants and her clarifying rumors that have been amuck since the onset. I believe every word she is saying. I do not see her as the "monster mother has monster daughter" as many are portraying her.
Here is Cindy's side of things from the hairbrushes to the washed pants.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html

 

[Irish_Eyes]

(bold mine) No. IMO you've just stated the case for a flurry of panicked calls for help, versus checking to ensure no one's on their way who might "catch her in the act" of killing Caylee there at the house--since according to you calls continued after she'd left the house. After which, when repeated calls continued to be ignored, KC may have simply lost all hope--along w her nerve--and begun contriving a cover-up. JMO





(bold mine) Yet hardly thru the "eyes of a child" as children by nature are, in my experience, not the least vindictive but rather incredibly forgiving.



Agree. This coincidental 'landscaping' struck me as rather oddly timed as well. JMO



A desperate, inept attempt (postmortem) to distance herself from responsibility for negligence by creating the appearance of an especially heinous random murder perpetrated by a stranger. Also, it would seem (along w strangulation) unlikely that the cause was (4) or (7) either given there actually was never any indication by anyone that KC had ever previously been the least violent whatsoever w Caylee but a consensus to the contrary. JMO



Faye didn't even make landfall (in Naples FL) until August 19/20. While I agree Caylee's remains may have been left in trunk several days or as much as a week before she felt she couldn't possibly risk any longer possible discovery of remains in her trunk, I personally believe at this point KC disposed--vs buried--those remains in a location which, prior to Faye appeared readily discoverable, had they not been submerged, w/in a matter of weeks, beneath three feet of water. JMO



ITA

No, Kiki, if you meant to copy my post, I was attempting to point out that in the case of an accident, a panicked mother looking for help would begin calling for help immediately, not after she placed the body in the trunk and packed all her belongings...this is a child in danger...there is a sense of urgency...the calls are made as she is leaving the house...probably just checking to see where GA/CA are, especially CA since she comes home around that time...remember, GA sees CA leave for work at 12:50, so it would make no sense for her to be seen near the home now....she wants to know where CA/GA are in case she needs to alter her route to avoid being seen where she shouldn't be...

 

[Rumpole]

I've not been able to actually verifiy anywhere that the dog's HIT in the backyard as a fact. A lot of posts, but not news reports by investigators. Hits by the garage and car trunk, yes. They brought a dog in the backyard near some bushes and later another dog...but if you can show where that may have been a "hit" then I would consider other theories.

Amongst lots of news reports I remember, Greta did a walk about interview with the A's in their back yard and CA confirms where the dogs hit and makes excuses. Video available Gretawire archives.

 

[j10477]

In my opinion I agree with Indigo. If the bedroom was searched, after they found Caylee something in the bedroom might tie to the crime scene.My pnion it could be the bedding. Someone on WS on another thread said ,that it looked like bedding in the search warrant pics.If you listen to the video where CA explains the hairbrush issues . You will here her say that LE did not even want to strip Caylees bed when they were there. She also says that she gave somethings to Defense I am wondering in my opinion why she would say that ?

All posts are in my opinion only

 

[Kat]

Initially I had very distasteful thoughts of Cindy Anthony, myself. However, as time went on and the more I evaluated her...and the more I learned of this woman...I've changed my mind on how I feel about her. This woman has been under tremendous stress and strain long before Caylee went missing. She had the right mind to realize something needed to happen and signed herself up for therapy for help. She seems to be the only one who can and does confront Casey because George doesn't seem to do anything around that house from working to supporting Cindy. Casey is still his princess...no matter. I think he compounded the problem of who and what Casey became a lot more than the rearing that Cindy did. Watch this video of Cindy explaining to the interviewer as to why she washed the pants and her clarifying rumors that have been amuck since the onset. I believe every word she is saying. I do not see her as the "monster mother has monster daughter" as many are portraying her.
Here is Cindy's side of things from the hairbrushes to the washed pants.
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html

I watched the video and several others that CA did at the beginning, shortly after it was discovered that Caylee was missing (she was thought to be missing). I agree with you, and as time goes on, we see more interviews where she becomes slowly undone. I hold the unpopular opinion (not just here on this board but in real life) that KC is the one responsible. Only KC. Until it is proven that KC's family had a hand in anything, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and pray to God Almighty himself that I never have to walk in any of the A's shoes.

 

[Rumpole]

Mods.

I have been unable to get past p31 here for some time.

p32 shown, but keeps refreshing to p31

 

[Rumpole]

Now I have a p32 of my very own

 

[bessie]

About that flurry of phone calls, if they were cries for help, she would've left voice messages. Something like: "OMG, MOM!! SOMETHING'S HAPPENED TO CAYLEE!!! CALL ME!!!!!!!!"

The A's would've heard those messages and known that something terrible had taken place, and thus, would not have waited a month to go looking for them. Now, I know it could be construed that the A's did, in fact, hear such messages, but by then it was too late to save Caylee, so they proceeded to enact a cover up to save the tart mom.

I lean toward option B, myself. She was tying to determine either their whereabouts.

I don't recall reading or hearing any mention of the A's voice messages. Sure would like to know if she left any.