Jersey*Girl
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debs, you're too funny!
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Yeah, you're right, but I still had to ask as I'm wondering why the results of her competency evaluation weren't made public yet. Could that be b/c of HIPAA rules? If that's the case, I thought that once a person is incarcerated, civilian rules no longer apply and they have different rules to abide by. In which case, we should have seen the results by now. On the other hand, maybe they're waiting for guilt to be proven?
The only thing pertinent at the time of administering the psychological (not psychiatric) exam is to ascertain her ability to understand the charges against her and her ability to competently assist in her defense. It was determined she understood and that she could assist. Those facts were made public and anything else will remain in her file until such a time as it becomes relevant in her trial.
Ok, got it. I thought it was a complete evaluation. Thanks for the clarification
I've pointed out previously that the forensic report did not indicate level of concentration. They simply said "unusually large" and "far higher than what is typically seen in human decomposition". Neither of those are defined. That is...does "typical" mean 10 ppm and "unusually large" mean 20 ppm? Those numbers are critical to know in order to eliminate dryer sheets and cleaning solutions.
I read somewhere that dryer sheets are nothing more than cloths soaked in fabric softner and that they contain chloroform. The HEAT from the dryer is what is used to disperse the chemicals onto clothing. That's where I think the chloroform came from. Isn't chloroform also found in human decomp? I would say that the two mixed together would probably produce high levels of chloroform.
If there was enough chloroform on one dryer sheet to produce higher than normal levels, just think about the poor people working in the dryer sheet factories, and the warehouses where pallets of dryer sheets are stored. There were also dryer sheets found in the front of the car, and no reports of chloroform found there.
JMO
Lanie
Thanks for that answer. I've been asking that too. Even though we don't have an exact level, if the forensic reports said "unusually large" levels of chloroform, then that, coupled with the search for chloroform and the pic from RM's computer which KC may have seen, tells me that chloroform was used in the crime. It's not proof, but it's an excellent indication to me.
I dunno. There are days when I've washed and dried my bedding and all I wanna do when they come out of the dryer is climb into them and go to sleep........
I dunno. There are days when I've washed and dried my bedding and all I wanna do when they come out of the dryer is climb into them and go to sleep........
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When the car was found, there were things in the back seat, there were things in the trunk, there was a stain which was making the car reek, there were maggots back there, ewww. I think that reasonably rules out Casey did a major clean-up effort. When LE took possession of the car, there was dirt, hair, stain, decomp, etc. found in the trunk. George used to work at and then own a car lot, it was stated he detailed the cars, it was just something he liked to do. My brother used to work at a car lot, and I have had my car detailed there, and he also did it at my house a few times. It was always spotless. I think that reasonably rules out George doing a major clean-up. I saw Cindy's house on TV. She works full-time. She also, under stressful circumstances, removed clothing and a knife from the car and washed it. I have severe reasonable doubt Cindy did a major clean-up on the car, either, as I feel it would have been a lot cleaner than what it was.JMO.
Lanie
Just a suggestion...
Delving into the chloroform via dryer sheets might be best served on the chloroform thread. FWIW, the title alone would tend to draw WS's w/ expertise in chemistry...and, making it would also make the info easier to locate later.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3035194&highlight=chloroform#post3035194
I forget where that's from. :waitasec:
i think it's from the jailhouse call where casey's focus is on getting tony's number.
casey - 'you dont know what my involvement is in (can't make it out)?'
cindy - 'casey,'
casey - 'mom'
cindy - 'no, i dont know what your involvement is sweetheart. you're not telling me where shes at.'
casey - 'b/c I dont &%^$*£! know where shes at, you're kidding me!'
blah blah blah
I agree chloroform was an element in Caylee's death. I still don't think Casey made it or bought it, I think she stole it (maybe lifted it from the tattoo parlor) or was given it, though the search warrant for chloroform ingredients or reciepts kind of puts a dent in that theory.
Ricardo's computer pic was "Win her over with chloroform." Anyone who has ever looked around in a Spencer's has seen similar plaques, stickers, etc. The people have a 50's look about them, and the one that comes to my mind is "Beer. Helping ugly people get l**d since 1854" or some year. It may be in bad taste, but it's still a joke. Then I factor in Casey and Ricardo broke up in April, but she is still 'intimate' with him as of June 9th. This doesn't sound like the kind of relationship where the woman would see a pic on myspace that is clearly a joke, and start freaking out about this guy, who she is clearly willing to have sex with, chloroforming her so he can rape her. There were 2 online searches for chloroform before Caylee went missing. Chloroform was found in the trunk of the car. Decomp was found in the trunk of the car. Caylee was found dead. No physical trauma was found on the bones. Duct tape was found over her mouth area.
When the car was found, there were things in the back seat, there were things in the trunk, there was a stain which was making the car reek, there were maggots back there, ewww. I think that reasonably rules out Casey did a major clean-up effort. When LE took possession of the car, there was dirt, hair, stain, decomp, etc. found in the trunk. George used to work at and then own a car lot, it was stated he detailed the cars, it was just something he liked to do. My brother used to work at a car lot, and I have had my car detailed there, and he also did it at my house a few times. It was always spotless. I think that reasonably rules out George doing a major clean-up. I saw Cindy's house on TV. She works full-time. She also, under stressful circumstances, removed clothing and a knife from the car and washed it. I have severe reasonable doubt Cindy did a major clean-up on the car, either, as I feel it would have been a lot cleaner than what it was.
JMO.
Lanie
What I would like to know is how Jose Baez is going to pull getting his client off. It's been established that Jeff who worked at Universal only knew Casey in passing and never had a son let alone one named Zachary! Theres no such person as Juliette Lewis that worked at Universal that Casey spoke of. Of course we all know about Zanny and her gang that Casey blamed- No such people- no occupied apartment by a nanny- Caseys lies about working at Universal plus the other lies she has given....
Another thing Cindy and George Have got to know that Casey is lying just by police investigating the information that Casey has given them so far, finding it false.
Doesn't make much sense to me.I didn't know whether to put this in the GVS thread, Questions thread, or the Theory thread. Opted for Theories.
I was reading through some GVS transcripts and came across this part where Mark Fuhrman is discussing KC text messages from July 16th.
I don't understand how he comes to the conclusion he does. He feels the body was moved. Why? For one, his math is wrong when he counts back 32 days from the 16th. When I count back, I come to the 14th. How does he arrive at his conclusion that the body was placed in the trunk after GA saw it on the 24th? For some reason he thinks KC's text stating that Caylee has been missing for 32 days supports that her body was moved between the 24th and 30th?
Sorry to bring up an old show but I want to understand how he arrives at this since he is an investigator and should be able to give good insight. If anyone can explain his thought process, please do.
VAN SUSTEREN: Mark, as you go through these text messages, what do you think?
MARK FUHRMAN, FORMER LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: Well, I think the most disturbing one, Great, for Casey Anthony, as she says on the morning of the 16th, Caylee has been missing for 32 days.
That means that the child has been missing, and we know the child is dead. That places the time of death squarely on June 16. There is no doubt now that that is the date of the death, and this is a corroboration.
And now you can go from that timeline, the 16th, and start putting together the body, the body that was already in the putrification stage of decomposition, was placed in that vehicle after George Anthony saw it on the 24th.
So between the 24th and the 30th, the child was moved from its original location after death. That's what the most important in this text message is to me.
Link to transcript 01/22/09:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481851,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee