Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #8

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my point was it was not an accident involving the use of chloroform..... it was a murder .... duct tape was added to Caylees face.

and yes the murder and disposal of her child with use of items from her home does absolutely coincide... hence one of the reasons she is on trial..... jmo
i hope we can agree to disagree, because honestly that just doesn't make a whole of sense to either. Even trying to see it from Casey's twisted perspective (which has given me honest to goodness nightmares) duct tape just seems like an odd and unnecessarily sadistic and elaborate choice if the murder was a spur of the moment thing. MOO
 
in her own trash bags, blanket and laundry bag?....nah ... not seein it....

jmo
Yet she did set forth the kidnapping story, knowing the child might be found in her own trash bags, blanket, laundry bag....
 
Yet she did set forth the kidnapping story, knowing the child might be found in her own trash bags, blanket, laundry bag....
when cornered....
 
i hope we can agree to disagree, because honestly that just doesn't make a whole of sense to either. Even trying to see it from Casey's twisted perspective (which has given me honest to goodness nightmares) duct tape just seems like an odd and unnecessarily sadistic and elaborate choice if the murder was a spur of the moment thing. MOO
I agree. Suffocation with a pillow would be more "normal", if I dare use such a word here. I have never heard of a deliberate murder by duct tape. This is why I have assumed it was part of a "kidnap staging".
 
when cornered....
OK, I guess in your thinking, she had hoped the body might never be found.....and only did the kidnap story because her Mom pushed her into a corner. I just think she must have known Cindy would eventually seek her out. She was still in the area....
 
i hope we can agree to disagree, because honestly that just doesn't make a whole of sense to either. Even trying to see it from Casey's twisted perspective (which has given me honest to goodness nightmares) duct tape just seems like an odd and unnecessarily sadistic and elaborate choice if the murder was a spur of the moment thing. MOO
exactly my point again...I do not believe it was a spur of the moment thing.... I think she wanted to silence Caylee....forever....
 
I am really conflicted in which way I lean...rage killing or planned murder. I really dont think Caylee wandered out and drowned in the pool. For me it really boils down to the night before they left the house. did CA and ICA have a big fight or not? Cindy did not mention it in her testimony, but I guess that doesnt really mean anything. If there was that big fight and CA threatened ICA, I do think it was a rage killing. Another theory I strongly agree with is that she chloroformed her to convenience and accidentally killed her, placing the duct tape on her immediately after she died to look like a kidnapping or something. Some of the pieces are, I think, factual. Such as: she obviously did have the childs body in her trunk decomposing, and she did place the child in the backyard, borrowed a shovel and I think thought she could bury her there. I think its possible ICA put Caylee near by so she would be found sooner than later. I do agree that ICA did things spontaneously for the most part in her every day life. I wish we knew what really happened. Im afraid we are going to be wondering and speculating for years to come.
 
when cornered....

So if you can believe she'd resort to that story in one scenario, why is so hard far-fetched to believe that she might consider it in another? No snark, seriously trying to understand.
 
It is possible. Insofar as the theory of GA in there, maybe it is the defense strategy, their idea. I see that you believe Caylee was not in the trunk, and it was the garbage which smelled. But what of the decomposition traces, or do you dispute these?

I placed the reply to this post in The trash bag in Caseys trunk thread, post #581, because I don't want to pull this thread off topic.
 
exactly my point again...I do not believe it was a spur of the moment thing.... I think she wanted to silence Caylee....forever....

Okay, so you believe she planned in advance for it, but used a method that almost guarantees she can't explain away the death, and then had no plan for disposing of the body in a way didn't immediately point back to her? Am I missing something here?
 
I agree. Suffocation with a pillow would be more "normal", if I dare use such a word here. I have never heard of a deliberate murder by duct tape. This is why I have assumed it was part of a "kidnap staging".
bbm~now this is exactly why I do not think it was staging of a kidnap...

was it to be believed that Zanny used duct tape to murder Caylee???

Duct tape is only around the mouth in a kidnapping to keep victim from screaming, then usually another means of murder to follow.....imo
 
I agree. Suffocation with a pillow would be more "normal", if I dare use such a word here. I have never heard of a deliberate murder by duct tape. This is why I have assumed it was part of a "kidnap staging".

There have been many murders by suffocation with duct tape. Quite a few of them were children too. Google will take you to there, the following is just one example:

http://articles.latimes.com/1998/mar/26/news/mn-32985
 
Okay, so you believe she planned in advance for it, but used a method that almost guarantees she can't explain away the death, and then had no plan for disposing of the body in a way didn't immediately point back to her? Am I missing something here?
yet you believe this method would have been believably used by a kidnapper from said staging?
I also can not rule out her drugging her before hand and then applying the duct tape. I also do not believe she expected the body to be found.

murder, disposal, coverup

kiss
 
bbm~now this is exactly why I do not think it was staging of a kidnap...

was it to be believed that Zanny used duct tape to murder Caylee???

Duct tape is only around the mouth in a kidnapping to keep victim from screaming, then usually another means of murder to follow.....imo
Well, I was imagining that Casey might want people to believe that Zanny originally wanted Caylee, but when Caylee screamed too much duct taped her, which eventually killed her, because it was done "on the run", so to speak.
 
This kind of denial IS possible. I have seen it first hand in my own family (someone not accepting a cancer death as real, even a month after the funeral). What you set forth is not outside the realm of possibility.

I would guess any level of denial is possible but the people I've seen who deny someone has died do not go as far as making up day trips or weekend vacations for the deceased. They don't tell other people the deceased person is asleep so they can't come to the phone. If someone is that delusional I would question their ability to go on with life as usual in other areas of their life.
 
I think Casey might have drowned Caylee deliberately on the 16th, although I can't then understand the need for duct tape. I keep remembering a moment in Cindy Anthony's testimony where she said that she and Caylee were enjoying the pool the evening of June 15, and Casey came home and wanted to get in with them, but Cindy told her no - that Caylee had had enough and it was time to get her ready for bed. I thought at the time "uh oh, classic sibling rivalry incident". I also think the nanny story came to be because Casey resented being reduced to being Princess Caylee's Nanny which she desperately wanted not to be. If Cindy had a history of playing with Caylee and then handing her back to her mother Casey with an admonition that playtime was over and duty was calling, that's plenty of motive and could be the trigger.

Or Casey could just have decided that somebody owed her a pool dip, so she took one the next day, and then didn't bother to put up the ladder because she knew she was "eliminating the child" next so that particular caution was no longer needed.

I agree and I think the duck tape was added later to make it look like a kidnapping/murder. That would go along with the zanny the nanny story, and then Casey could of just said oh no the nanny killed her...
Either Casey OVER chloroformed caylee and caylee died or caylee was held under water in the pool by Casey. The duck tape I think casey just added to make it look like a murder don't you? AND THAT REALLY BACKFIRED...Liars lie but always include a lot of truth in the story. (she probably was drowned for real by the hands of her mom, so the story only has do deviate a little like her dad coming around the corner etc... I feel Casey chloroformed her to death maybe even accidentally.. then took her to the pool to make it look like she drowned so she would't get in trouble for chloroforming her...then Casey started calling everyone over and over no one answered she panicked added duck tape to make it look like a kidnapping and it just went on from there.
 
I would guess any level of denial is possible but the people I've seen who deny someone has died do not go as far as making up day trips or weekend vacations for the deceased. They don't tell other people the deceased person is asleep so they can't come to the phone. If someone is that delusional I would question their ability to go on with life as usual in other areas of their life.

IMO I don't think it was denial... I just don't think that, no matter how Caylee died, Casey cared enough about her to let that fact interfere with her life
 
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