Timmy & Chelsea Croslin; and the hours before Haleigh went missing.

[Chablis]

Papa, my first reaction when I read what Chelsea said about receiving the call around 4:00 AM and going back to sleep (for about two hours) raised hugh red flags for me. Even if I had never known the person, say a neighbor called and said someone in the vicinity was missing, I would have bolted upright and been out my door, helping to look and search and pray.

NO. That's not what really happened. No one would go back to sleep. How could they? Somehow Timmy was involved. Remember when Lindsay told Timmy she had thrown out his and Timmy's boots? Yea, that was a real conversation starter. He's in jail and she's talking about he and his brothers boots (yea, right.)

Timmy is involved in this and Chelsea is a liar. Misty gave that up when she said Timmy was the one person she could count on. I'm not saying she meant to give him up, I believe it was a loving endorsement of how she really felt about him.

Now: Where do we go from here?

Ronald Cumming is invloved in whatever happened to his daughter. If he had Timmy help him in any capacity, why would Ronald call the cops on him when he was across state lines in Mass because Timmy called him a bad name? Why would anyone provoke someone who had something major on them?

It does not fit. And you can believe that as soon as Ron and Misty took their lie detector tests, and failed, the cops knew who the culprit and who was covering for who, maybe thats why they dont bother with these minor players. I really dont think we know the Croslins enough to assume they would be so caring and concerned they would shoot out of bed and actually care as much as we are giving them credit for. At the time Haleigh was not family, and technically, Haleigh was never their family. I just dont get where the ideas they are so loyal and devoted to haleigh comes from. And the angel tattoo does not phase me, cops declared this a homicide, Haleigh IS dead.

 

[4Jacy]

Ronald Cumming is invloved in whatever happened to his daughter. If he had Timmy help him in any capacity, why would Ronald call the cops on him when he was across state lines in Mass because Timmy called him a bad name? Why would anyone provoke someone who had something major on them?

It does not fit. And you can believe that as soon as Ron and Misty took their lie detector tests, and failed, the cops knew who the culprit and who was covering for who, maybe thats why they dont bother with these minor players. I really dont think we know the Croslins enough to assume they would be so caring and concerned they would shoot out of bed and actually care as much as we are giving them credit for. At the time Haleigh was not family, and technically, Haleigh was never their family. I just dont get where the ideas they are so loyal and devoted to haleigh comes from. And the angel tattoo does not phase me, cops declared this a homicide, Haleigh IS dead.

First of all, I never said Haleigh wasn't dead. Reread my post. I just don't think it is believable that anyone could go back to sleep after news like that. And, about RC calling the police on Timmy for calling him a "bad" name: think of RC's state of mind; he is (was, completely irrational.) He ruled his world.

Oh, and by the way, I give the Croslins credit for nothing, as stated in your above post.

 

[dodie20]

Sure, she could have been. Why didn't Nancy Grace ask her why she was there? Why didn't Art Harris?

Am I the only one that doesn't understand why someone with no kids of their own was at a bus stop and conveniently providing verification of someone else’s story about being there?

It's not like she didn't have anywhere else to go, according to the next part of her "chronicles":



According to this, Chelsea is saying that AFTER being at the bus stop at around 3:45 pm, they went to Gainesville to drop Lisa off at the hospital.

Since Chelsea never mentioned Lisa being with her at the bus stop, and Lisa has never said she was there, somewhere along the way, Chelsea would have had to pick up Lisa to take her to the hospital. On that day, Lisa and Hank’s residence was at 130 Magnolia.

(A is the bus stop on Tyler, B is 130 Magnolia)

Now that she’s picked up Lisa, they drive to Shands Hospital at 1600 Southwest Archer Road, Gainesville, FL

Since Chelsea said “We’d just left Gainesville”, it seems reasonable to believe that her husband Timmy was along on the trip of about an hour and a half. When they got there, I would tend to think that they didn’t just kick Lisa to the curb and speed off. Surely they went inside to visit Hank who was in serious condition. After their visit of some period of time, they would have had a long drive of over an hour and a half back to their home at 108 Smith Lane, Crescent City, FL:

What's my point in all of this?

If Chelsea Croslin was at that bus stop at 3:45 pm, which effectively verifies Ronald Cummings' story of being there despite other witnesses statements, she couldn't have left for what I believe to be a 4 hour round trip until probably around 4:15-4:30 pm. They wouldn't have got back home until around 8:30 pm.

The next part of her story says she stayed up late trying to figure out insurance claims and dealing with an injured father in law. None of us know what time "late" was when she finally went to bed, but "late" to me is at least sometime after midnight.

Wonder why Nancy Grace didn't ask her what time she went to bed? Isn't that a little bit more important than asking Crystal what time Haleigh went to school?

If Chelsea Croslin's answer to late was, as I suspect, at least 12:00-1:00 am, when was Joe supposed to have "snuck" out with that van? I thought Tommy's call was supposed to have been around 10:00 pm?

Finally, "Aunt" Chelsea says she got a call a short time later at 4:00 am saying the little girl that supposedly blew her daughter kisses earlier, had vanished and she didn't even get out of bed until 2 hours later?

I can't tell you how tired I am of these people.

None of Chelsea's stories make any logical sense. But, is she lying to cover for someone, or is lying just to insert herself into the drama? either one could be true. & I'm tired of these people too & they're lying has gotten old. They wouldn't tell the truth if it bit them in the face. MOO

 

[lonetraveler]

Sure, she could have been. Why didn't Nancy Grace ask her why she was there? Why didn't Art Harris?

Am I the only one that doesn't understand why someone with no kids of their own was at a bus stop and conveniently providing verification of someone else’s story about being there?

It's not like she didn't have anywhere else to go, according to the next part of her "chronicles":



According to this, Chelsea is saying that AFTER being at the bus stop at around 3:45 pm, they went to Gainesville to drop Lisa off at the hospital.

Since Chelsea never mentioned Lisa being with her at the bus stop, and Lisa has never said she was there, somewhere along the way, Chelsea would have had to pick up Lisa to take her to the hospital. On that day, Lisa and Hank’s residence was at 130 Magnolia.

(A is the bus stop on Tyler, B is 130 Magnolia)

Now that she’s picked up Lisa, they drive to Shands Hospital at 1600 Southwest Archer Road, Gainesville, FL

Since Chelsea said “We’d just left Gainesville”, it seems reasonable to believe that her husband Timmy was along on the trip of about an hour and a half. When they got there, I would tend to think that they didn’t just kick Lisa to the curb and speed off. Surely they went inside to visit Hank who was in serious condition. After their visit of some period of time, they would have had a long drive of over an hour and a half back to their home at 108 Smith Lane, Crescent City, FL:

What's my point in all of this?

If Chelsea Croslin was at that bus stop at 3:45 pm, which effectively verifies Ronald Cummings' story of being there despite other witnesses statements, she couldn't have left for what I believe to be a 4 hour round trip until probably around 4:15-4:30 pm. They wouldn't have got back home until around 8:30 pm.

The next part of her story says she stayed up late trying to figure out insurance claims and dealing with an injured father in law. None of us know what time "late" was when she finally went to bed, but "late" to me is at least sometime after midnight.

Wonder why Nancy Grace didn't ask her what time she went to bed? Isn't that a little bit more important than asking Crystal what time Haleigh went to school?

If Chelsea Croslin's answer to late was, as I suspect, at least 12:00-1:00 am, when was Joe supposed to have "snuck" out with that van? I thought Tommy's call was supposed to have been around 10:00 pm?

Finally, "Aunt" Chelsea says she got a call a short time later at 4:00 am saying the little girl that supposedly blew her daughter kisses earlier, had vanished and she didn't even get out of bed until 2 hours later?

I can't tell you how tired I am of these people.

Oh yes, I feel your pain. The people involved with this case are truly the gift that just keeps on giving...............:maddening:

 

[krkrjx]

No doubt Chelsea has told some lies but some of what she says could just be her making things up as she goes along. She seems incapable of staying out of it and I think it's because her beloved Misty is deep in it. I think she cares about Misty as much as she claims she does. I am not sure Chelsea wants justice for Haleigh as much as she wants freedom for Misty. Chelsea just does not believe Misty harmed Haleigh and she is livid over Misty's lengthy prison sentence over a few pills, especially when JM only got eight years for his crime against Misty.

Well, Chelsea, I wish I could offer you some words of comfort but reality is, life isn't fair.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

First of all, I never said Haleigh wasn't dead. Reread my post. I just don't think it is believable that anyone could go back to sleep after news like that. And, about RC calling the police on Timmy for calling him a "bad" name: think of RC's state of mind; he is (was, completely irrational.) He ruled his world.

Oh, and by the way, I give the Croslins credit for nothing, as stated in your above post.

I agree 4Jacy. If someone in my town called and said there was a missing child at 4am, even someone I had never even met, I would get out of bed and help! Them staying in bed another 1-2 hours just doesn't make sense. then she said she woke Ti up??? How could he have gone back to sleep after hearing that Haleigh was missing, or if C didn't wake him up when she got the call...why???
I don't know about this, but when Ron reported Ti for calling him a name, I think he thought he had nothing to lose, because Timmy was involved in whatever he did and he couldn't say anything about it. And we know that Ron is a hothead in the moment anyway. Something about Ti and C is just not right. And if Jo isn't really involved, who moved the van and why? :waitasec: JMO

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Oh yes, I feel your pain. The people involved with this case are truly the gift that just keeps on giving...............:maddening:

Lone, you made me laugh! Thanks, I needed that! :floorlaugh:

 

[dodie20]

No doubt Chelsea has told some lies but some of what she says could just be her making things up as she goes along. She seems incapable of staying out of it and I think it's because her beloved Misty is deep in it. I think she cares about Misty as much as she claims she does. I am not sure Chelsea wants justice for Haleigh as much as she wants freedom for Misty. Chelsea just does not believe Misty harmed Haleigh and she is livid over Misty's lengthy prison sentence over a few pills, especially when JM only got eight years for his crime against Misty.

Well, Chelsea, I wish I could offer you some words of comfort but reality is, life isn't fair.

you may be right about her loyalty to Misty being her motivation, but her story about Ron being at the bus stop instead of Misty, doesn't do much for Misty's defense. unless Misty hurt Haleigh on the ride home. But if that's the case, why would Ron, AS & company be lying for her? Misty could have pulled the van over, whacked Haleigh with the board that FH mentioned, (she was seen popping Jr a few minutes earlier), & then drove on home. But instead of seeking medical help, Ron just ignored it... but I'm not sure that's a very logical chain of events. Idk why Chelsea would lie about being at the bus stop, except loyalty to Misty. Misty may have asked her to lie & that's all it took. I'd like to know the motivation behind that switcharoo. Were they trying to remove Misty from a situation, or trying to remove Ron from wherever he was. MOO.

 

[lonetraveler]

Lone, you made me laugh! Thanks, I needed that! :floorlaugh:

Hi! I swear everytime I get away from this case it just keeps dragging me back. Y'all been busy tonight. I'm just catching up. It has been mid-eighties today and I've discovered that my car air conditioner isn't working. :banghead:

I've always thought that the two hour delay in going over to Ron's house that early morning was because Timmy was still gone with the van and had not returned to the house yet. I do believe that Timmy was with Tommy for at least part of the night. The Croslin family is very close and I can't see any of them not immediately coming to one another's aid. I do not think that any of the Croslins harmed Haleigh, but I do believe that they were dragged into this mess by Ron and his mother. I do not think that they know all the ins and outs of what happened to Haleigh. I think that like Misty, they only know what they were told and that was very little. I do believe that if LE is any good at all they will haul Teresa and Annette in and keep them until they talk or Ron becomes totally unglued and screams out the truth to the rafters. LE has tried to drill the Croslins until they bleed and have come up with absolutely nothing but a contrived story used in a feeble attempt to persuade LE to let them out of jail. I want to see the Cummings' side of the family squeezed like a worn out sponge until they are in the same frame of mind that Tommy and Misty were put into. Is that too much to ask? :crazy: I need new flip flops.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Hi! I swear everytime I get away from this case it just keeps dragging me back. Y'all been busy tonight. I'm just catching up. It has been mid-eighties today and I've discovered that my car air conditioner isn't working. :banghead:

I've always thought that the two hour delay in going over to Ron's house that early morning was because Timmy was still gone with the van and had not returned to the house yet. I do believe that Timmy was with Tommy for at least part of the night. The Croslin family is very close and I can't see any of them not immediately coming to one another's aid. I do not think that any of the Croslins harmed Haleigh, but I do believe that they were dragged into this mess by Ron and his mother. I do not think that they know all the ins and outs of what happened to Haleigh. I think that like Misty, they only know what they were told and that was very little. I do believe that if LE is any good at all they will haul Teresa and Annette in and keep them until they talk or Ron becomes totally unglued and screams out the truth to the rafters. LE has tried to drill the Croslins until they bleed and have come up with absolutely nothing but a contrived story used in a feeble attempt to persuade LE to let them out of jail. I want to see the Cummings' side of the family squeezed like a worn out sponge until they are in the same frame of mind that Tommy and Misty were put into. Is that too much to ask? :crazy: I need new flip flops.

I agree with you 110% Lone. I just don't understand why LE isn't doing that, except...maybe with the recent statements coming out from LE about the family not telling all they know, I'm praying they are about to start the "squeeze" on the Cummings clan. I think they know who are the guilty parties, now they just need to get the job done! MOO:maddening:
ETA: I need a bathing suit and a suntan!

 

[lonetraveler]

I agree with you 110% Lone. I just don't understand why LE isn't doing that, except...maybe with the recent statements coming out from LE about the family not telling all they know, I'm praying they are about to start the "squeeze" on the Cummings clan. I think they know who are the guilty parties, now they just need to get the job done! MOO:maddening:
ETA: I need a bathing suit and a suntan!

I definitely could stand some rays. A tan would definitely be better than this white chicken skin. Hard to believe that my mother was American Indian....

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I definitely could stand some rays. A tan would definitely be better than this white chicken skin. Hard to believe that my mother was American Indian....

Yeah, we're Irish-Scottish. Very hard for me to tan. I have had too much fun tonight on WS. :rocker: Think I'll turn in. Nite all. :seeya:

 

[krkrjx]

you may be right about her loyalty to Misty being her motivation, but her story about Ron being at the bus stop instead of Misty, doesn't do much for Misty's defense. unless Misty hurt Haleigh on the ride home. But if that's the case, why would Ron, AS & company be lying for her? Misty could have pulled the van over, whacked Haleigh with the board that FH mentioned, (she was seen popping Jr a few minutes earlier), & then drove on home. But instead of seeking medical help, Ron just ignored it... but I'm not sure that's a very logical chain of events. Idk why Chelsea would lie about being at the bus stop, except loyalty to Misty. Misty may have asked her to lie & that's all it took. I'd like to know the motivation behind that switcharoo. Were they trying to remove Misty from a situation, or trying to remove Ron from wherever he was. MOO.

Ya know, even if Chelsea knows Misty hurt Haleigh I am sure she has convinced herself it was just an accident, that Misty didn't mean it, that it was just one of those things that happens sometimes and it doesn't make Misty a bad person. (Kind of like the As toward CA, but on a lesser scale.) I think Chelsea would have the same view of things if it were Timmy in Misty's place.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

IDK who did what, but if the Croslins know where Haleigh is, & they' are the family keeping the 'closely held family secret', well, that's just wrong beyond words. They barely knew her and weren't even related. If the Cummings are the family referred to, I don't know what to think. Surely both families don't know. I just want somebody who really loved Haleigh to stand up and tell what they know, regardless of who gets in trouble. I've known that somebody knows where Haleigh is, but the thought of a whole family knowing, makes me really mad & sick enough to throw up. MOO.

Dodie, I don't think the Croslins are the ones who know where Haleigh is although I believe they may have some idea how she died - meaning they only know what they were told. My thought is they weren't told the whole truth, Misty was blamed, so the Croslins are protecting her. :cow: I'd bet big money that Grandma Flo doesn't have a clue to any of the facts, only the lies her grandchildren told her. I also think the Croslins were set up, with most of the blame going to Misty, so they stupidly rallied around her not realizing the whole family was being set up. They fell neatly into the trap.

The other family is a whole different ball of wax. The brains of the outfit isn't the younger members, IYKWIM. It's the family members who aren't behind bars. :cow: If I were LE, I'd have someone keeping an eye on where they go, if they spend any quite time out, alone, away from the crowd... :waitasec:

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Regarding "Chelsea Clinton"

ROFL, Sorry about that! It was early this morning when I made the post.

Since my post was about a person being untruthful, I COULD say the topic itself created a natural mistake of last names.......

But I won't! LOL LOL!

Well, Papa, that being the case, you could have used a variety of surnames: Clinton, Nixon, Johnson, Roosevelt, Bush, Obama, etc., etc.,..... But yeah, I can see how "Chelsea Clinton" just rolled off your keyboard. I do admit, I had to read your sentence twice trying to figure how Ms Clinton ended up in it. :crazy:

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Chelsea said on Levi's show that she was there to pick up Austin.

"Snip" Chelsea Croslin on the Levi Page Show 10/04/2010
This was the old link to listen to the show: http://tobtr.com/s/1299850

CHELSEA CROSLIN: Yeah, Ronald did work nights. I’m not going to say that he didn’t. Ronald worked late some nights, 3 o’clock in the morning, that is a little bit late for his normal work hours he usually came home at 11 o’clock, between 11 pm and 1 am usually, somewhere around there was when Ronald usually came home. It was very rare for him to be there so late that night. It was also very rare for the fact that when I went to pick up my nephew that day from the bus stop because whoever is usually closest to the keys is the one who goes and when I realized what time it was, I went down there and I didn’t know if I was picking up HaLeigh and Austin. You know sometimes they both get off. Ronald’s car was there. He had all the windows up and he wouldn’t talk me, he wouldn’t let me see who was in the vehicle. He wouldn’t let my daughter talk to him. That was rare because Ronald was always very good with my daughter; her and HaLeigh were very close and he completely ignored all of us.

I find this suspicious, too. Notice also what she said about RC working nights and that it was rare for him to be there so late that night. No only do we have a multitude of people at the bus stop to pick up two little children, we have Chelsea talking about RC's work hours. Then she goes on to say how mysterious RC was acting.

BTW, there was some talk on this forum about TN's interview on the roadway with Greta, and how it sounded like TN claimed she picked up Hailey from the bus stop. It sounds like there was a blip on the tape and we had a discussion about it. Did she say "I" or did she say "Ron"? We knew she didn't say Chelsea or Misty.

Thanks for the maps, Papa, and the details of Chelsea's evening. You make an excellent point. If what she claims is true, it would be a snug fit. Could they have brought Lisa to the hospital earlier in the day but she just made it sound like it was in the evening? I don't know. Listening to Chelsea's spin on things is like listening to chalk scraping on a blackboard. Everyone has their own spin about that night and none of them fit properly into the puzzle. Our theories fit better than their stories, for sure.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/10/05/levi-page-show

I just listened to the show again. She definitely points fingers at Ron, Teresa, and Annette. A lot of what she says rings truthful. Not all of it, but I do believe this could be the most truthful of her interviews. Several things are iffy but she did make me think. She mentioned RC's jumpsuit or coveralls being navy blue and Rjr mentioning the man in black. I've always thought Jr woke up seeing RC take out Haleigh but couldn't really see because it was dark. If Jr was there. His whereabouts have been a mystery just like everything else. :waitasec:

She also talks about what happened in the courthouse that day - AS and TN taunting the Croslins. Love her description of TN's outfit.

Are we really sure the van was moved that night? Chelsea mentioned it, did Tommy or anyone else. We know LE took it. CC says all of Misty's things were still in the van from when RC threw her stuff out over the weekend.

Like I said, I found the show interesting and I believe she was honest in a good bit of the interview. Sure she has spin but the parts I thought were truthful came out easily, without stuttering or backtracking.

Code for the show:
Granny = Annette
Nanny = Flora

I'll stop posting now. :crazy:

 

[Emeralgem]

Ronald Cumming is invloved in whatever happened to his daughter. If he had Timmy help him in any capacity, why would Ronald call the cops on him when he was across state lines in Mass because Timmy called him a bad name? Why would anyone provoke someone who had something major on them?It does not fit. And you can believe that as soon as Ron and Misty took their lie detector tests, and failed, the cops knew who the culprit and who was covering for who, maybe thats why they dont bother with these minor players. I really dont think we know the Croslins enough to assume they would be so caring and concerned they would shoot out of bed and actually care as much as we are giving them credit for. At the time Haleigh was not family, and technically, Haleigh was never their family. I just dont get where the ideas they are so loyal and devoted to haleigh comes from. And the angel tattoo does not phase me, cops declared this a homicide, Haleigh IS dead.

IIRC It was GGMS who called 911 and reported Timmy for calling Ron C a FAB and IF I am not mistaken this incident occurred after the fight between Ron C and the Croslins that landed Ron C in jail.

As I see it Ron C and Co had already managed to set up Misty and the Croslins to take the fall when the time was right..I'm thinking Ron C and family knew the time had come...JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

I just think, so much focus on Chelsea does a great disservice to Haleigh because this kind of energy, imo, needs to be shifted to Ron and his family.

IMO.. I suspect Chelsea knows more than she is telling. She has revealed some information concerning that afternoon and that night that I imagine had a few people in Ron C's family feeling quite uneasy... Problem is, at this time, as far as we all know, she hasn't yet revealed everything. I'm hoping she does and I'm also hoping LE is listening...It's time to put some real pressure on some of Ron C's family. Thus far IMO that hasn't happened...JMHO

 

[Chablis]

IMO.. I suspect Chelsea knows more than she is telling. She has revealed some information concerning that afternoon and that night that I imagine had a few people in Ron C's family feeling quite uneasy... Problem is, at this time, as far as we all know, she hasn't yet revealed everything. I'm hoping she does and I'm also hoping LE is listening...It's time to put some real pressure on some of Ron C's family. Thus far IMO that hasn't happened...JMHO

I really think in the grand scheme of things, what Chelsea knows does not concern the cops. They just want Misty and Ronald to tell what happened that night, I am pretty sure the LE know all they need to know based on Ron and Mistys tests. I also think if Chelsea had anything substantial to say, she would, because she is a mother and seems to have strong feelings for Haleigh, and more rightfully so than random people who just picked up on this case because they follow true crime cases, shes living it, I dont question her actions only because if Timmy had anything on Ronald, Ronald would not be calling the cops on them provoking them from afar.