Titanic tourist sub goes missing in Atlantic Ocean, June 2023 #3

[AliceInPain]

Just told my son about this news and he started laughing like mad when I told him the sub may have been controlled by a playstation controller. He said it's the controller that makes the game lag and slow down. I don't know if that's correct and either way it's irrelevant since the sub imploded, but who would even get the idea to build a vessel controlled by something that is already faulty. idk. (also my son has mental health issues, he laughs at literally anything, but this seemed extra amusing to him).

 

[mickey2942]

It takes 500 milliseconds, or half a second, for sensory information from the outside world to be incorporated into conscious experience.19 Dec 2016

how fast is a human thought - Google Search

So perhaps there wasn't enough time to feel frightened.

Maybe. I had an experience recently that illustrates this...I was on an Amtrak train, looking out the window, and saw a truck cargo box go tumbling in a field, right by the train. I thought, why is a cargo box flying in a field? Right then, the train shuddered, slowed down, and stopped.

The engine had hit an empty cargo box, attached to a truck bed. The truck was stopped, with the trailer on the train tracks.

It was so strange, to just idly watching scenery, and see a cargo box flying by the window.

 

[Sarahlou]

After reading that they use game controllers in the military in tanks/submarines I don't find it as strange that it was used in this sub.

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

No I also feel that it's possible there was enough time to know that they were going to die
Even if it was just seconds.

I'm not convinced that they didn't have even a second of fear

If James Cameron is correct that the ballast had been dropped and Titan was trying to ascend, I can only assume those on board knew something was wrong and had enough time to process the problem and try to remedy it. Very sad.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

5 Facts On Pak's Shahzada Dawood Who Died In Titanic Sub Implosion

Five people, who were onboard a submersible that went missing during an expedition to the Titanic's wreckage, died after an implosion caused by the loss of the pressure chamber, US Coast Guard officials said on Thursday.

www.ndtv.com

An implosion, the opposite of an explosion, is when an object collapses in on itself in milliseconds.

A catastrophic implosion, such as what is believed to have destroyed the Titan submersible, would have happened with incredible force and speed given the crushing water pressure on the ocean floor.

At sea level, atmospheric pressure is 14.7 pounds per square inch (psi), or 100 kilopascals. As you go deeper underwater, that pressure builds and builds. The water pressure at the site of the Titanic wreck is roughly 6,000 psi (more than 41,000 kilopascals).

Under this amount of pressure, even the slightest structural flaw could result in fatal consequences. Death would be virtually instantaneous for the occupants of the pressurised chamber.

What is a catastrophic implosion? All about the Titanic sub

Passengers onboard Titan submersible are believed dead after search finds pieces of the vessel near wreck of Titanic.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[watergirl62]

Into the 'midnight zone': Here's what happens when you go as deep as the Titanic wreck

Pretty nifty graphic/article/presentation created by ABC News Australia. I really like these style of articles when they do them. Sometimes they contain bits of video or photographs that change like a slideshow the further you scroll - this one just gets darker and darker and the pressure gauge rises.

It's called a story board, and yes, they are effective! Thanks for posting this.

 

[ArianeEmory]

He said it's the controller that makes the game lag and slow down.

No, not within the perception/response times of humans (milliseconds). Not unless you’ve got something configured very weirdly/wrongly.

Keep in mind there are now professional e-sport leagues now that involve young adults with ridiculous reflexes.

(15 years in the video game industry.)

 

[BeachSky]

If James Cameron is correct that the ballast had been dropped and Titan was trying to ascend, I can only assume those on board knew something was wrong and had enough time to process the problem and try to remedy it. Very sad.

ETA:
Wow.so if they were aware, ascending, away from the titanic dropping ballasts ..maybe why the debris drifted/fell down to a location of 1600 ft from the titanic.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'll have to stop searching for more news.

I came across one, well it was an opinion piece and it listed the five men, and said there would have been no panic at the end, there would just be peace because "all these men were explorers" and died doing what they loved.

Well no. One was only 19 with his whole life ahead of him.

 

[KathPlumber]

I'll have to stop searching for more news.

I came across one, well it was an opinion piece and it listed the five men, and said there would have been no panic at the end, there would just be peace because "all these men were explorers" and died doing what they loved.

Well no. One was only 19 with his whole life ahead of him.

Wise words, Toots. Wise & sad.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I came across one, well it was an opinion piece and it listed the five men, and said there would have been no panic at the end, there would just be peace because "all these men were explorers" and died doing what they loved.

Well no. One was only 19 with his whole life ahead of him.

Yeah. I’m struggling a bit with the “celebration of the human spirit of exploration” tributes. I’m sympathetic to the lives lost because I’m not an actual sociopath, I’m just not sure there’s anything here to celebrate. This wasn’t exploration, it was extremely high-risk, experimental travel repackaged as expensive tourism—which is what opened it up to a teenager in the first place.

JMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Wise words, Toots. Wise & sad.

Maybe I misunderstood and it was meant to be only about the ones who I suppose were explorers.
Or thought of themselves that way.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Pigeon Forge Titanic museum holds ceremony in honor of those killed in Titan submersible

The Titanic museum in Pigeon Forge held a ceremony to honor the five who died while aboard the Titan submersible during an expedition to the famous ship’s crash site Friday morning.

www.wvlt.tv

 

[arielilane]

A top-secret U.S. Navy listening system detected the implosion of the tourist submersible Titan shortly after its disappearance Sunday, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672018900848967687

https://twitter.com/MarketWatch

Secret Navy listening system detected Titan's implosion Sunday: report

A top-secret U.S. Navy listening system detected the implosion of the tourist submersible Titan shortly after its disappearance Sunday, the Wall Street...

www.marketwatch.com

June 22, 2023 at 6:29 p.m. ET

A top-secret U.S. Navy listening system detected the implosion of the tourist submersible Titan shortly after its disappearance Sunday, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

According to the report, the unnamed, highly sensitive acoustic-detection system — used to spot enemy submarines — heard a sound consistent with an underwater implosion around the time the submersible went missing, and in the area where a debris field was found Thursday.

The Navy told the Journal that while the data was not conclusive, it was relayed to the U.S. commander on scene conducting the search mission.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Maritime experts and historians have noted the Titan submersible operated outside of the regulations prompted by the Titanic disaster.

Titan also operated in international waters, and was not regulated by a “flag state,” a country under which it was registered and sailed, said Sal Mercogliano, a professor at Campbell University in North Carolina and maritime historian.

“Flag States (like Britain for Titanic) are responsible for ensuring that ships under their flag comply with its requirements, and a number of certificates are prescribed in the Convention as proof that this has been done,” the IMO says.

The Titan submersible did not need to conform to safety regulations, since it operated in international waters. “It is a gray area that is being exposed to the light of day,” Mercogliano said.

“That Titanic event more than 100 years ago changed regulation,” said Per Wimmer, a Danish philanthropist and adventurer.

“It is quite possible that with the Titan imploding like this, and with the partial lack of or maybe a gap in the regulatory space if you do dives in international borders, it’s quite possible that the Titan might actually be the catalyst for more regulation within the submersibles field,” Wimmer told CNN’s Anderson Cooper.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/23/us/titan-titanic-submersible-maritime-safety-intl-hnk/index.html

 

[iamshadow21]

Pigeon Forge Titanic museum holds ceremony in honor of those killed in Titan submersible

The Titanic museum in Pigeon Forge held a ceremony to honor the five who died while aboard the Titan submersible during an expedition to the famous ship’s crash site Friday morning.

www.wvlt.tv

My eyes went straight to the names behind the wreath, and the first one to jump out at me was Sidney Goodwin. One of the most famous Baby Does in the world for such a long time.

I wish all of them peace, the historical and the recent. And let's leave the wreck be, now, except for genuine scientific and archaeological endeavours. The only folks going near it should be ones aware and trained and qualified for the conditions, with a genuine goal that will enrich humanity's understanding, and with a deep respect for the wreck as a gravesite. No more instagram selfies or scared nineteen year olds. No more ramshackle, untested and unregulated pleasure jaunts for profit. Just let them all rest. Let the Titanic sleep.

MOO

Edit: And right above, there's a Gonçalves. I wonder if Kaylee had an ancestor who was lost. I have no idea how common a name it is.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I‘m truly heartbroken the Titan did not receive a miracle. I’m reminded that miracles no one hears about happen every day. Every. Single. Day. Please forgive but I’m sentimental and my goto is music. It’s such a healing force of energy and spirit.

 

[LondonBloke]

I can't understand the cavalier attitude some have here and elsewhere are taking for the sub being controlled by a damned game controller. I would be interested to see the risk assessment document(s) about such a device.

The aviation industry and 'proper' subs have to adhere to strict protocols. Any backup for the controller available? Has the device been modified in any way? Has the device been stress tested? What various power options are available in case of failure? Has it been tested in case of any water ingress during the preparations for the descent, like climbing in to the sub and maybe dripping water on a wire? How many cycles has the device been through, not submersion cycles but how long has the device been used for? Are there documents available for such a device referring to how many movements it should reasonably be expected to respond to over its life, how many movements has the device been subjected to?

The whole scheme horrifies me. What the hell did the bloke who seemingly shunned industry advice and warnings expect to happen?

The situation angers me so much. This didn't have to happen.

 

[Sarahlou]

I can't understand the cavalier attitude some have here and elsewhere are taking for the sub being controlled by a damned game controller. I would be interested to see the risk assessment document(s) about such a device.

The aviation industry and 'proper' subs have to adhere to strict protocols. Any backup for the controller available? Has the device been modified in any way? Has the device been stress tested? What various power options are available in case of failure? Has it been tested in case of any water ingress during the preparations for the descent, like climbing in to the sub and maybe dripping water on a wire? How many cycles has the device been through, not submersion cycles but how long has the device been used for? Are there documents available for such a device referring to how many movements it should reasonably be expected to respond to over its life, how many movements has the device been subjected to?

The whole scheme horrifies me. What the hell did the bloke who seemingly shunned industry advice and warnings expect to happen?

The situation angers me so much. This didn't have to happen.

It was modified and they had backups. There were a lot of very questionable things with Titan but I don't think the controller is the main one seeing as they do use these controllers in the military. But saying that, I'm clueless about these things, so it's just my opinion.

I agree though, this situation was completely avoidable and unnecessary..

 

[LondonBloke]

It was modified and they had backups. There were a lot of very questionable things with Titan but I don't think the controller is the main one seeing as they do use these controllers in the military. But saying that, I'm clueless about these things, so it's just my opinion.

Thanks, I understand. I wonder what standards the military apply to such controllers. The controller is just one thing I have many questions about.