Titanic tourist sub goes missing in Atlantic Ocean, June 2023 #4

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iamshadow21 said:
NASA has the best, too. They still lost two crews and vessels entirely in catastrophic disasters, and were lucky not to lose Apollo 13, too.

Space travel is one of the riskiest thing a person can do. There are going to be disasters.

Tried and tested submarines have been lost that way, too.

No one's saying that Oceangate is equivalent to any other space or marine exploration company or organisation.

What we're saying is that it is sure that at some point, if private space travel continues and expands, they're going to have a disaster. It's inevitable.

MOO
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The original comment I responded to referenced "rich people." So the insinuation was clear.
 
PrairieWind said:
The original comment I responded to referenced "rich people." So the insinuation was clear.
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I don't know what the price point for flight with Space X or Virgin Galactic is or will be, but I suspect the pool of potential passengers are going to have an obscene amount of money. These space and marine ventures, regardless of the quality of their product, have a very limited amount of people who can afford their services.

So to say that a space disaster with a private company would impact rich people is just a statement of fact.

MOO
 
mickey2942 said:
I am not sure why the United States Coast Guard was doing such an in depth investigation of the Titan. It left from England...? Was it because there were US citizens involved in the wreck?

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I'm not sure where you get the idea that the Titan left from England. The mothership that carried the Titan left from Canada.

The wreck of the Titanic is in international waters, but it's just off the North American coast. England is thousands of miles away.

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As discussed earlier in the thread, the Coast Guard was designated the lead investigatory agency. The mothership left from from St. John's, but the Titan was designed and built in the USA and was owned by an American company. Almost all the events covered by the inquiry occurred either in the USA or in international waters.
 
If you have 12 minutes, this clip from today's hearing is incredible.

Lochridge relates how Stockton Rush completely panicked during a dive to the Andrea Doria, and got the submersible stuck on the wreck. (This wasn't the Titan, it was their previous sub, the Cyclops 1.)

 
ch_13 said:
If you have 12 minutes, this clip from today's hearing is incredible.

Lochridge relates how Stockton Rush completely panicked during a dive to the Andrea Doria, and got the submersible stuck on the wreck. (This wasn't the Titan, it was their previous sub, the Cyclops 1.)

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Great story he told, well worth listening to! I didn't listen to much of the first 2 minutes, but about 2:20, they asked him why he thought he had been "phased out" at the company, and he answered, "Because I embarrassed the CEO (Stockton Rush)". There began his story of how Stockton almost turned a dive to the Andrea Doria into a total catastrophe, saved only by Lockridge in the end (barely!) I listened thru to the end, hanging on every word. (I didn't listen to the rest of the video. Yet!)

Really gives you an idea of how reckless and controlling Stockton Rush was, taking unnecessary risks, jeopardizing lives of his colleagues as well as of paying customers even! I doubt those who paid to die in the final Titan dive would ever have gone on the excursion if they had known how he really was. If only they had heard Lockridge's Andrea Doria story before buying a ticket on the Titan!

ETA ha OK, I went back to finish the video and realized I had actually seen it to the very end, minus about 10s! I didn't realize that it ended just after he finished his Andrea Doria story. So it's about 2:20 to the end... oh, just watch the whole thing! ;)
 
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imstilla.grandma said:
Nissen, the hearing's first witness, testified that Rush wanted him to pilot missions to the wreck of the Titanic, but he refused. "I told him, 'I'm not getting in it,'" Nissen said. He said he didn't trust the operations crew, "but I didn't trust Stockton either," reports NBC News.
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Would this be the real reason that Stockton Rush was the pilot of that dive that he and his passengers and colleagues died in? Was he the only pilot who would do it? Was it too difficult for him to convince other pilots it was safe enough?

Did the Titan make any trips without Rush on board?
 
sunspun said:
Would this be the real reason that Stockton Rush was the pilot of that dive that he and his passengers and colleagues died in? Was he the only pilot who would do it? Was it too difficult for him to convince other pilots it was safe enough?

Did the Titan make any trips without Rush on board?
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It is a good question. I had previously thought that Stockton probably wanted to be the pilot since there were two billionaires aboard and he wanted them to see him. But it could have been a combination of both, and that no one else was willing to do it.
 
I unfortunately do not have time to watch/listen to the CG hearing. Can someone tell me if they discuss the "dropping two weights" text that came just before losing contact. I want to know if this really meant that they knew of a problem and were attempting to return to the surface or if it was a normal procedure to slow the decent since they were nearing the ocean floor? Many news articles I have seen recently had implied that it meant they knew of danger. But this seems odd to me that would just say "dropping two weights" instead of something like "having a problem, returning to surface" or something like that.
 

Rojas recalls losing communications with Titan submersible​

Mission specialist Renata Rojas says she had just finished her lunch when the team lost communications with the Titan submersible.

Rojas breaks down describing demeanor of passengers​

Rojas broke down as she continued to describe what happened on the day of the tragedy. She said all of the passengers were excited to embark on their expedition.
“I saw five people smiling on the way to their journey,” she said. “Excited. We had wonderful weather.”


www.independent.co.uk

Titan submersible hearing live: Mission specialist breaks down

Coast Guard has released more footage of the Titan submersible wreckage including remnants of its hull scattered on the sea bed, following the ‘catastrophic implosion’ that killed all five passengers on board
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
sunspun said:
Would this be the real reason that Stockton Rush was the pilot of that dive that he and his passengers and colleagues died in? Was he the only pilot who would do it? Was it too difficult for him to convince other pilots it was safe enough?

Did the Titan make any trips without Rush on board?
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Paul-Henri Nargeolet was aboard. He was far more experienced as a submersible pilot than Rush.

PrairieWind said:
It is a good question. I had previously thought that Stockton probably wanted to be the pilot since there were two billionaires aboard and he wanted them to see him. But it could have been a combination of both, and that no one else was willing to do it.
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In the Andrea Doria incident, at first Rush didn't even want Lochridge on board the Cyclops, even though Lochridge was hired to be the pilot. Rush wanted to hold the controls so he could show off for his rich pals.

Even when Lochridge eventually convinced Rush to let him come on the dive, Rush insisted on piloting the craft himself. And then he panicked after getting stuck in the wreck. Only after one of the passengers started crying and insisted that Lochridge take over, did Rush finally give up the controls, throwing them at Lochridge's head.

The man had an ego that was completely out of proportion to his skill and competence.
 
ch_13 said:
Paul-Henri Nargeolet was aboard. He was far more experienced as a submersible pilot than Rush.


In the Andrea Doria incident, at first Rush didn't even want Lochridge on board the Cyclops, even though Lochridge was hired to be the pilot. Rush wanted to hold the controls so he could show off for his rich pals.

Even when Lochridge eventually convinced Rush to let him come on the dive, Rush insisted on piloting the craft himself. And then he panicked after getting stuck in the wreck. Only after one of the passengers started crying and insisted that Lochridge take over, did Rush finally give up the controls, throwing them at Lochridge's head.

The man had an ego that was completely out of proportion to his skill and competence.
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And Nargeolet had been down in Titan before, correct? And he was at least at one point the one that was texting back to Polar Prince. How did this texting system work?
 
ch_13 said:
I believe he'd been on previous dives.

Titan used an acoustic communication system.

en.wikipedia.org

Underwater acoustic communication - Wikipedia

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But how did it work on Titan? Was this a device mounted on the inside hull? if so, where? Or was it a handheld device that could be handed around? At one point Nargeolet lets Polar Prince know that he is the now the once communicating. Does that mean there was a change in where people were sitting inside Titan? or did Stockton just have him take over the communicating? We know there has been some trouble in the messages getting through.
 
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