Titanic tourist sub goes missing in Atlantic Ocean, June 2023

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JennieM said:
A writer who took the Titanic submersible trip last year said he is “not optimistic” over the search for the missing OceanGate craft.

Mike Reiss told BBC Breakfast communication was also lost during his dive down to the Titanic.

Reiss said: “I’m not optimistic just because I know the logistics of it. And I know how vast the ocean is, and how very tiny the craft is.

He added: “So the idea is, if it’s down at the bottom, I don’t know how anyone’s going to be able to access it, much less bring it back up.

“There is a hope that it’s at, or near, the surface.

“I did three separate dives. I did one dive to the Titanic and two more off the coast of New York.

“Every time they lost communication and again, this is not a shoddy ship or anything.”

www.theguardian.com

Explorers Club speaks of ‘cause for hope’ in Titanic sub search – as it happened

Noises picked up by Canadian aircraft looking for missing tourist submersible but revised search produced ‘negative results’, say authorities; Explorers Club says data could potentially suggest ‘likely signs of life’
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EVERY TIME???

Give me strength.

MOO
 
Sarahlou said:
BIB - If I didn't know it was real I'd think someone was having a laugh. It sounds like a wind-up.
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Wouldn’t be overly surprised to find that’s how it’s powered.

Honestly, between this situation and the guy who tried to cross the Atlantic in a homemade 3 foot boat last month, I’m thinking can we please just leave the ocean alone.
 
Those poor people, if they aren't found.

They probably thought if it was at all dangerous that no companies would be offering these trips.

Next thing it might be people stranded on the moon.

Anything to make money :(
 
In this interview to CNN, David Gallo, senior adviser for Strategic Initiatives, RMS Titanic, talks of the danger of hypothermia. :(



'Rescuers are in a "race against time" to find the crew of the missing submersible, said David Gallo, senior adviser for Strategic Initiatives, RMS Titanic, which owns the exclusive salvage rights to the Titanic wreck site.

If the submersible is intact, those onboard would be faced with dwindling oxygen levels and fighting the cold, Gallo told CNN.

Hypothermia would be an issue "if the sub is still at the bottom, because in the deep ocean it is just above freezing cold," Gallo said.

"One of the biggest things is where is it? Is it on the bottom, is it floating, is it mid-water? That is something that has not been determined yet ... We will have to wait and see and hope for the best," he said.
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Once the submersible is located, the team could face even greater challenges in trying to rescue the crew.

"The water is very deep — 2 miles plus. It's like a visit to another planet, it's not what people think it is. It is a sunless, cold environment and high pressure," Gallo said.

It's one thing to get there, another "to understand the situation about what the problem is with the sub and then go to work to try to extricate it from that," Gallo added.

Locating the vessel: Gallo said the surface ship should have a good idea where the submersible's last known position was.

"A sub will not go very far. If it has gotten into trouble on the surface it might drift a bit, but on the bottom motoring — 2 miles an hour, something like that. So the search area should be small," Gallo said.

However, that doesn't mean locating a small submersible in such deep and expansive waters will be easy, he said.'

"It means that you can focus on a very tight area and bring your sonars in, cameras in, and whatever you need to do into that area to try to locate the sub," Gallo said. "So it's not like looking for a huge area of the sea floor."
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June 20, 2023 Missing Titanic sub search news

Banging sounds were heard Tuesday during the search for the missing Titan submersible, according to an internal US government memo. Follow for live news updates.
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JennieM said:

Occasionally things go wrong, says BBC documentary director​


We've just heard from Simon Platts who directed a BBC documentary episode about the Titan sub last year.

He says that Stockton Rush, the CEO and founder of the company that organised the mission, makes it clear that there is no guarantee that people on the dives will see the Titanic and that it is a "dangerous environment".

The director of the BBC's Travel Show says the technology used to control the sub is "innovative" and can occasionally go wrong.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Platts said: "I got the impression that occasionally things go slightly wrong, but when I was there, there never seemed to be an indication that things could go catastrophically wrong."

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That's the BBC documentary we watched.

You would think after many issues with conmunications, the thrusters, the controller, getting lost etc there would be better protocols in place. But, here we are...
 
'There's no backup, there's no escape pod - it's get to the surface or die,' he told the BBC.

Mr Pogue - who descended to see the Titanic last year - compared the sub to something put together by MacGyver - the TV series character known for his ingenuity in making devices from different items to get out of difficult situations.

Recalling the interior of the submersible in November, he described white camping lights on the ceiling, off-the-shelf security cameras, Ziploc bags for a toilet and construction pipes as ballast.
CBS correspondent David Pogue is seen inside the submersible, which he described as very basic


The journalist holding up a games controller that is used to control the sub

'The main centre section looks like a shiny white tube about minivan length. It's made of five inch thick carbon fibre which no one has ever used in a submersible before,' he told Unsung Science.

'At each end of the white tube is a tiny silver dome. The front end cap has a 22-inch round window made of seven-inch thick plexiglass so you can see out. When you get to the bottom of the ocean - that's your view of the Titanic.

'If you have to go to the bathroom you can crawl into the window end of the sub and hang up a black cloth for privacy. There's a one foot square box on the floor that contains Ziploc bags.

'There are a couple of touchscreen PC monitors on the floor of the sub but there are no controls. The multi-million sub is controlled with a games controller.'

Mr Pogue said it would be impossible for those inside it now to escape without help.

Speaking to the BBC yesterday, he said passengers were sealed inside the main capsule by 17 bolts that were applied from the outside and could only be removed by an external crew.
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Journalist says Titanic sub is 'like something made by MacGyver'

CBS correspondent David Pogue said passengers on the Titan submersible are sealed inside the main capsule by 17 bolts that can only be opened from the outside.
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*I sure hope they brought new batteries for their PlayStation controller!
 
I know that this is a completely different company, but I have to admit, I'm thinking a lot about the documentary I watched on Netflix some months ago about the killing of Kim Wall. Now, that company was run by a true psychopath, but that's not what's making me think of it. It's the way the company was run, itself. With a 'visionary' at the helm, and a staff of eager, very young interns doing the grunt work, all with stars in their eyes and a deep gratitude for the 'opportunity'. I don't know that any of them actually got paid, it was all essentially run on volunteers who wanted to play at building a submarine without any apparent oversight or regulation. A passion project that they felt honoured to be a part of.

I wonder how many people who worked on this thing actually had experience, followed regulations, did safety tests... I wonder how many people who built it were like the build team in the Wall case... idealistic young kids given the biggest of Meccano sets and told to make history.

MOO
 
TootsieFootsie said:
Those poor people, if they aren't found.

They probably thought if it was at all dangerous that no companies would be offering these trips.

Next thing it might be people stranded on the moon.

Anything to make money :(
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Right tootsie. At this very moment there are writers, directors and producers somewhere in a little room around a table trying to figure out who to cast for the next new Netflix movie. Titanic II
 

Family confirms French submariner among the passengers​

From CNN’s Joseph Ataman in Paris

French submariner and ex-Navy officer, Paul-Henry Nargeolet, is among the five people missing aboard a submersible exploring the Titanic wreck, his family confirmed to CNN affiliate BFMTV Tuesday.

It was previously thought that Nargeolet was among the passengers after fellow "mission specialist" British businessman and adventurer Hamish Harding referenced the Frenchman in a post prior to the expedition launch.

Harding had posted on social media Saturday saying that diver Paul-Henri (P.H.) Nargeolet was scheduled to be on Sunday’s dive with him.

Nargeolet led several expeditions to the Titanic and supervised the recovery of many artifacts from the wreck, according to the E/M Group, where Nargeolet was director of underwater research.

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June 20, 2023 Missing Titanic sub search news

Banging sounds were heard Tuesday during the search for the missing Titan submersible, according to an internal US government memo. Follow for live news updates.
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Confirmation French explorer on board​

The BBC has confirmed esteemed French explorer Paul-Henri Nargeolet is on board the missing sub.
Nargeolet is a former diver for the French navy, and was part of the first expedition to visit the wreck in 1987, just two years after it was found.
Nick-named 'Mr Titanic', he has reportedly spent more time at the wreck than any other explorer.
Family spokesman Mathieu Johann said he hoped that Nargeolet's composure and military career will reassure the crew on board, even if the outcome of the operation does not depend on him.

 

Search area for submersible should see fair weather for the next few days​

From CNN meteorologists Derek Van Dam and Monica Garrett

Weather in the search area for the submersible in the North Atlantic is generally good for the next several days. A weak cold front moved through the area on Monday, leading to some rain showers. As this front continues to move away from the area, chances of any showers will diminish.

The search area can expect partly cloudy skies, southwest winds of 20 to 30 knots (23-34 mph) and wave heights up to 9 feet on Tuesday. These conditions are average for the area this time of year. Both air and sea surface temperatures are in the 50s.

High pressure will build in the area, leading to clear skies and relatively calm conditions through the rest of the week.

Sunrise for the search area is just before 4 a.m. ET with sunset around 7 p.m. ET.

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June 20, 2023 Missing Titanic sub search news

Banging sounds were heard Tuesday during the search for the missing Titan submersible, according to an internal US government memo. Follow for live news updates.
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I completely understand why people are amazed that the sub was using off-the-shelf parts, but to be honest, and IMO, equipment like that is probably just as reliable, and far more powerful, than custom designs from 20 years ago. System designers used to build custom computers and will now often use an off-the-shelf Raspberry Pi or Arduino; why reinvent the wheel if a suitable piece of equipment already exists.

The sad truth is that subs like this have never been particularly reliable, simply because the conditions they have to face are so extreme. I don't recall a sub ever having been lost like this, but problems of one sort or another have always been commonplace.
 

US Coast Guard searched area "about the size of Connecticut" for missing sub overnight, commander says​

From CNN’s Rebekah Riess

The US Coast Guard searched an area “about the size of Connecticut” overnight for the submersible gone missing with five people inside, US Coast Guard First District Commander Rear Admiral John Mauger said.

As the search continues Tuesday morning, the unified command team is expanding its capabilities to be able to search under the water as well, Mauger told ABC Tuesday. "We have a commercial vessel that's on scene now, that has remote operated vehicles, that will give us the ability to search under the water as well."

The unified command is also using a P-3 aircraft from the Canadian Armed Forces, which has been flying during the last 24 hours, dropping sonar buoys to listen for any sounds from the submersible.

"We also have vessels on scene now that [have] the capability to listen with their SONAR, and so if they are making sound, that's certainly one of the ways that we're going to use to locate,” Mauger added.

edition.cnn.com

June 20, 2023 Missing Titanic sub search news

Banging sounds were heard Tuesday during the search for the missing Titan submersible, according to an internal US government memo. Follow for live news updates.
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Downing Street said the Government was ready to provide support and assistance, but was not aware of a request from the family of Hamish Harding for help.

“We are ready to provide assistance. At this stage I’m not aware they’ve specifically requested assistance from our capacity, which is based in Clyde in the the naval base there.

“Clearly it is a complex rescue mission at significant depth,” the Prime Minister’s official spokesman said.

“We would wait to see what may or may not be required.

“We are in contact with the relevant authorities and are ready to provide assistance, but clearly it is an unusual rescue operation given the depths involved.”

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No10 said the Foreign Office is in contact with the family of Hamish Harding, as the rescue operation for the tourist submersible off the coast of Canada continues.

The Prime Minister’s official spokesman said: “The FCDO are in contact with Hamish Harding’s family and the local authorities.

“We stand ready to provide any additional assistance, including as our capacity as the host nation for Nato’s multinational submarine rescue capacity.”


www.theguardian.com

Explorers Club speaks of ‘cause for hope’ in Titanic sub search – as it happened

Noises picked up by Canadian aircraft looking for missing tourist submersible but revised search produced ‘negative results’, say authorities; Explorers Club says data could potentially suggest ‘likely signs of life’
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The undersea exploration company has been chronicling the ship’s decay as well as the underwater ecosystem that has sprung up around it over the last century.

The Titan was being launched from an icebreaker that was hired by OceanGate and formerly operated by the Canadian Coast Guard. The ship ferried dozens of people and the submersible craft to the North Atlantic wreck site, where the Titan makes multiple dives.

The Coast Guard said there was one pilot and four “mission specialists” aboard. “Mission specialists” are people who pay to come along on OceanGate’s expeditions. They take turns operating sonar equipment and performing other tasks in the five-person submersible.

In a May 2021 court filing, OceanGate said the Titan had an “unparalleled safety feature” that assesses the integrity of the hull throughout every dive. At the time of the filing, Titan had undergone more than 50 test dives, including to the equivalent depth of the Titanic, in deep waters off the Bahamas and in a pressure chamber, the company said.

During its 2022 expedition, OceanGate reported that the submersible had a battery issue on its first dive and had to be manually attached to its lifting platform, according to a November court filing.

“The ocean is taking this thing, and we need to document it before it all disappears or becomes unrecognizable,” Stockton Rush, president of OceanGate Expeditions, told the AP in 2021.
 
Reuters is reporting the following individuals onboard:

  • HAMISH HARDING. The British billionaire and chairman of aviation consultancy Action Aviation is among those missing, according to his stepson. Dubai-based Harding had posted on social media that he was proud to be heading to the Titanic as a "mission specialist", adding: "Due to the worst winter in Newfoundland in 40 years, this mission is likely to be the first and only manned mission to the Titanic in 2023. A weather window has just opened up and we are going to attempt a dive tomorrow." In 2016, Harding accompanied former astronaut Buzz Aldrin to the South Pole, when Aldrin became the oldest person ever to reach the Antarctic region, at 86. Harding was also on board the 2019 "One More Orbit" flight mission that set a record for the fastest circumnavigation of earth by aircraft over both geographic poles.

  • SHAHZADA DAWOOD and his son SULEMAN. Their family have confirmed they are on board. Shahzada is vice chairman of one of Pakistan's largest conglomerates, Engro Corporation, with investments in fertilizers, vehicle manufacturing, energy and digital technologies. According to the website of SETI, a California-based research institute of which he is a trustee, he lives in Britain with his wife and two children.

  • PAUL-HENRI NARGEOLET. The 77-year-old French explorer, whom media say is one of the five on board, is director of underwater research at a company that owns the rights to the Titanic wreck. A former commander in the French Navy, he was both a deep diver and a mine sweeper. After retiring from the navy, he led the first recovery expedition to the Titanic in 1987 and is a leading authority on the wreck site. In a 2020 interview with France Bleu radio, he spoke of the dangers of deep diving, saying: "I am not afraid to die, I think it will happen one day."

  • STOCKTON RUSH. The founder and CEO of the vessel's U.S.-based operating company OceanGate is also on the submersible, according to media reports. "It is an amazingly beautiful wreck," Rush told Britain's Sky news of the Titanic earlier this year. "You can see inside, we dipped down and saw the grand staircase and saw some of the chandeliers still hanging."
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*Wow, there are some high rollers in that submersible. Probably having the best day of their lives together. Until…
 
imstilla.grandma said:
In a May 2021 court filing, OceanGate said the Titan had an “unparalleled safety feature” that assesses the integrity of the hull throughout every dive. At the time of the filing, Titan had undergone more than 50 test dives, including to the equivalent depth of the Titanic, in deep waters off the Bahamas and in a pressure chamber, the company said.

During its 2022 expedition, OceanGate reported that the submersible had a battery issue on its first dive and had to be manually attached to its lifting platform, according to a November court filing
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The unsinkable ship… can’t remember where I’ve heard that one before…
 
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