Titanic tourist sub goes missing in Atlantic Ocean, June 2023

[iamshadow21]

No surprise here, sadly. Be aware.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671530664716378112

https://twitter.com/WFLAJosh

Unsurprising these kind of vultures showing up to prey on misery.

(The folks setting up fraudulent accounts, not John Scott-Railton, his commentary on this incident has been clear and incisive.)

MOO

 

[Snail-Overlord]

Unsurprising these kind of vultures showing up to prey on misery.

(The folks setting up fraudulent accounts, not John Scott-Railton, his commentary on this incident has been clear and incisive.)

MOO

Just WHY?!? Are they monetizing this somehow?

 

[Curiousobserver]

Are all of these ships and equipment going to arrive in time to make a difference, or are they just planning to be there if needed to find and retrieve the sub and victims?

If they cannot surface on their own then the chance of rescuing them is zero.

Even if they knew where they were right now there isn't enough time.

 

[PrairieWind]

Are all of these ships and equipment going to arrive in time to make a difference, or are they just planning to be there if needed to find and retrieve the sub and victims?

I am guessing all useful assests are being sent as fast as possible regardless of whether it is rescue or recovery. Even though it is unlikely to rescue, they will still try. It just takes time to get those assets in place. Plus, they still haven't even located the sub yet. So even if the a rescue option arrives, they still have to find the sub.

 

[Erutan]

Still hoping !
However -- even if they're sadly no longer with us -- the submersible still needs to be brought up so they can be respectfully laid to rest !
If imploded, there needs to be a recovery of the sub. parts and of course the passenger's remains.
After that I believe that should be the end of expeditions down there -- unless done remotely with manned robots.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“RCC Halifax launched a P8, Poseidon, which has underwater detection capabilities from the air,” the DHS e-mails read. “The P8 deployed sonobuoys, which reported a contact in a position close to the distress position. The P8 heard banging sounds in the area every 30 minutes. Four hours later, additional sonar was deployed and banging was still heard.” The announcement did not state what time the banging was heard, or what was thought to have caused it.

The Boston Coast Guard, which is leading the rescue efforts, said in a statement on Twitter early Wednesday that a Canadian surveillance aircraft searching for the missing submersible “detected underwater noises in the search area.”

An e-mail sent Tuesday afternoon from the president of the travel and research group the Explorers Club stated, “It is being reported that at 2 a.m. local time on site that sonar detected potential ‘tapping sounds’ at the location, implying crew may be alive and signaling.”

The mass email said that two Explorers Club members were onboard the Titan, and urged the group to contact their representatives about using remote-operated vehicles made by a private U.K.-based company. “A team out of the U.K. named Magellan has an ROV rated for 6,000 meters which is loaded on a plane and ready and waiting to help,” the email stated. “BUT THE US GOV and USCG have not yet given them permits to participate!” The Boston Coast Guard has not responded to questions about the depth grading of the ROVs currently in use in the search efforts or the proposal to use the U.K. company’s products.

On Tuesday evening, an e-mail update sent to DHS leadership and obtained stated that additional “acoustic feedback was heard and will assist in vectoring surface assets and also indicating continued hope of survivors.”

The e-mail added that a “white rectangular object” was located in the water, and that a research vessel “originally diverted to investigate” was “diverted to research the acoustic feedback instead.”

A commercial remotely operated vehicle (ROV) will continue its search into the evening, by rotating operators, the email read, noting that “rigging/recovery wire for possible recovery is standing by.”

More assets are scheduled to arrive “in the near future,” including a U.S. Navy underwater-salvage subject-matter expert, and a Canadian Navy vessel with a mobile decompression chamber and medical personnel. They will arrive at the scene no later than 10 p.m. on Wednesday, the e-mail stated.

Searchers for Titanic Tourist Sub Heard 'Banging' From Area, Internal Comms Reveal

Internal email updates to DHS leadership obtained by Rolling Stone show searchers heard "banging" in the area where Titan submersible disappeared.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[iamshadow21]

Just WHY?!? Are they monetizing this somehow?

There's always an angle. Money, dubious links to websites that give you viruses or hack your computer or social media accounts or or try to sell you cryptocurrency...

Also, some folks just get a perverse thrill out of stirring the pot when there's an international incident, and this is very much an international incident.

MOO

 

[happyday]

I'm honestly not sure which would be worse: being trapped in a sub at the bottom of the ocean knowing there's no escape, or being trapped at the surface, able to see daylight through the viewing port, but having no way to unlock the hatch.

Either option is terrifying.

I lost it when I found out they are bolted in from the outside with no way to open it themselves.

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

Still hoping !
However -- even if they're sadly no longer with us -- the submersible still needs to be brought up so they can be respectfully laid to rest !
If imploded, there needs to be a recovery of the sub. parts and of course the passenger's remains.
After that I believe that should be the end of expeditions down there -- unless done remotely with manned robots.

I hope this isn't too gruesome, but at that depth and pressure, if the sub imploded there wouldn't be any real remains to speak of. Human flesh and bone would be completely pulverized in a split second.

 

[dotr]

5 warning signs MISSED before Titanic submarine went missing with crew on board

Missing Titanic sub coast guard in tragic update as crew have '20 hours oxygen'

Rear Admiral John Mauger from the US Coast Guard said that five people on board the submarine-like submersible vessel that ventured to the Titanic wreck likely will run out of oxygen tomorrow morning

www.mirror.co.uk

Shahzada Dawood and his son Suleman who are in the vessel (
Image:
DAWOOD HERCULES CORPORATION/AFP)
rbbm
''Rear Admiral Mauger said that based on information that the operator had initially provided, the sub had approximately 96 hours of oxygen when they first cut the connection.

However, he said it is difficult to have an exact prediction because "we do not know the rate of the consumption of oxygen per occupant on the sub."

''Questions remain about how rescue teams could reach the lost submersible, which could be as deep as about 12,500 feet below the surface.

Newly uncovered allegations also suggest there had been significant warnings made about vessel safety during its development.''

 

[acutename]

I suppose it wouldn't really matter which it was if it resulted in finding the vessel and they were still alive.



I've been thinking about this all morning. Nobody could predict how they might react in this situation but at some point I would think each man would realise that the air would last longer if he was the only one breathing it, which is a horrifying thought, but self preservation is a strong human instinct, and add to that the possibility of going stir crazy, or the thought that one of your fellow passengers could start to panic and consume air faster, I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that if the sub is recovered, not everyone on board might be still breathing .

Obviously I hope that they are found safe and sound, but if not I can only hope that they didn't suffer.

possibly the older men would offer to die so that the 19 yr old could live- people might get charitable with their last breaths. They are brave in some way to have attempted this, so IMO, maybe they all just toughing it out without drama.

 

[DS2021]

This thread is moving fast, so I want to remind everyone that theres a press conference in an hour

 

[ch_13]

There's a Radio-Canada article in French that claims Paul-Henri Nargeolet had doubts about the Titan sub:

Submersible disparu : « Les héros ne meurent jamais »

Un proche d'un des passagers du sous-marin disparu est convaincu que son ami reviendra une fois de plus sain et sauf de cette aventure extraordinaire.

ici.radio-canada.ca

Paul-Henri had expressed doubts to relatives about the reliability of the submarine in which he was about to board, according to Mathieu Johann, since it is a new machine that he knew little about .

The original, in French:
Paul-Henri avait émis à des proches des doutes sur la fiabilité du sous-marin dans lequel il s’apprêtait à embarquer, selon Mathieu Johann, puisque c’est un nouvel engin qu’il ne connaissait que peu.

 

[JennieM]

More ships join search - US Coast Guard​

We've been getting more updates about the different vessels that have been joining the search efforts.
The US Coast Guard has said this afternoon that at least eight more ships have started arriving at the search site.
Some of the new vessels include:

• The Canadian CGS John Cabot, which has sonar capabilities
• The Canadian CGS Ann Harvey, which carries a large trove of communication and navigational equipment
• French research vessel, the Atalante, that can reach the depths of the Titanic’s shipwreck
• His Majesty’s Canadian Ship Glace Bay, which can perform search and rescue duties

The new ships will also join the Polar Prince, which is still there after deploying the Titan submersible on Sunday, as well as Deep Energy, a pipe-laying vessel flagged in the Bahamas, and three other Canadian vessels.
"It's a good combination," Matthew Heaslip, a senior lecturer in naval history at the University of Portsmouth, told the New York Times.
"A mix of vessels that would be very much intended for this kind of rescue."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65967464

 

[acutename]

I hope this isn't too gruesome, but at that depth and pressure, if the sub imploded there wouldn't be any real remains to speak of. Human flesh and bone would be completely pulverized in a split second.

we do not really want to add up the time, $ and fuels spent on this because it would be a lot. human history has a lot of stories of explorers who did not make it- ocean, space, aircraft, etc.

 

[JennieM]

Two hours to prepare the Victor 6000​

Pallab Ghosh
Science correspondent


We heard this afternoon about the arrival of a French underwater Robotically Operated Vehicle (ROV), the Victor 6000.

Its role will be to search for the Titan and to remove any obstacles that are stopping it from floating to the surface.

It will take two hours to prepare the ROV once it arrives and the operation is likely to take several more hours – and time is not on the side of a rescue operation.

But the head of the organisation that operates the Victor 6,000, Jan Opderbecke, of the French Research Institute for Exploitation of the Sea, told BBC News that “where there is still hope, we have to try”.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65967464

 

[JennieM]

Military brings supplies to St John’s​

Nadine Yousif
Reporting from St John's



Last night, two C-17 US military planes arrived in St John’s in Canada at 19:30 local time (23:00 BST) with supplies for the search and rescue mission. Another one is scheduled to arrive later on Wednesday.

A 747 is also on its way, carrying equipment to aid with the search, the US Coast Guard says.

Cranes were loaded onto a Horizon Arctic ship late Tuesday night, which was docked in the harbour of St John’s.

It has since departed, along with two other Canadian Coast Guard ships, to the site of the Titanic wreckage. The ships arrived on Wednesday morning, according to the US Coast Guard.

The fog in St John’s from yesterday has since cleared. Out in the mid-Atlantic, winds are traveling at 23mph with a temperature of around 10 C (50 F).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65967464

 

[JennieM]

US Coast Guard: We still have no confirmation on what the noise is​

More from Mauger now. He describes the search as "complex" and difficult", adding that it is being conducted in a remote location some 900 miles off the coast of Cape Cod in Massachusetts in the US.

"This has happened in a remote location, we have prioritised our efforts both on surface and subsurface search," he said, and added that they were working very closely with the acoustics experts to understand the noises they are hearing.

Experts and equipment have indicated "that noise is potentially being generated" by occupants of the sub and as a result they relocated remote operated vehicles (ROVs) on sight.

But they still have no confirmation on what the noise is.

"We've picked up noise signatures and we are working through the analytics of that."

When BBC Science Correspondent Jonathan Amos asked if there were plural noises, Mauger confirmed, saying "there were a number of signatures."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65967464

 

[JennieM]

39 min ago

Oxygen will run out tomorrow morning, admiral says​

Rear Admiral Mauger said that based on information that the operator had initially provided, the sub had approximately 96 hours when they first cut connection.

As for why it is a difficult calculation to predict he said one reason is that it's based on consumption of the occupants:

"One of the factors that makes it hard to predict how much oxygen is left is that we do not know the rate of the consumption of oxygen per occupant on the sub."
He said the search team is operating under the assumption that they have about 20 hours left to find and rescue the sub, which is sometime tomorrow morning local time.

BREAKING​

Submersible may have less than 20 hours of oxygen left​

Rear Admiral John Mauger from the US Coast Guard has just told BBC News that the crew on board
the Titanic submersible may have less than 20 hours of oxygen left, based on the initial estimate of 96 hours.

He says it is hard to determine exactly how long they have, due to various factors, but time is running out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65967464

 

[acutename]

There's a Radio-Canada article in French that claims Paul-Henri Nargeolet had doubts about the Titan sub:

Submersible disparu : « Les héros ne meurent jamais »

Un proche d'un des passagers du sous-marin disparu est convaincu que son ami reviendra une fois de plus sain et sauf de cette aventure extraordinaire.

ici-radio--canada-ca.translate.goog

Paul-Henri had expressed doubts to relatives about the reliability of the submarine in which he was about to board, according to Mathieu Johann, since it is a new machine that he knew little about .

I also wonder if some of them have spared no words with the CEO- or if they are being stoic. It must be extremely odd to be one of the people who successfully went on one of these expeditions and it must be very strange to ne the man who backed out of this trip at the last minute.