Found Deceased TN - Blake Smith, 20, Knoxville, 3 Feb 2018

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Smith's family has said two of his friends initially found his car still running, with a cinder block on the gas pedal, damage to the doors and mirrors and belongings strewn about. His cell phone and wallet were still in the car. The Blount County Sheriff's Office said the car was wrecked but has not confirmed all of those details.
https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/crime/2018/02/06/parents-missing-crown-college-student-confirm-his-death/312100002/

If the statement car was running when found on Sunday is true- how long would a car run if it had a full tank of gas before running out of gas? The cinderblock info and car running are coming from friends of Blakes not from LE - could his friends be covering for something trying to protect Blake's image.

If his phone was found in the car , why was his father not able to find the car with the 360 app? If the last location father was able to track him to was not the same location as the car then perhaps someone turned the phone off prior to placing it in the seat.


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If his phone was found in the car , why was his father not able to find the car with the 360 app? If the last location father was able to track him to was not the same location as the car then perhaps someone turned the phone off prior to placing it in the seat.

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The family (or the Crown students) did find the car first based on the 36o app, but after seeing the state of it, and Blake not being immediately found at that location, they then went to the “last known location” based on the Instagram post which was the park.
 
The vandalized/wrecked vehicle and the cinder block on the gas pedal is what really throws things *advertiser censored** over elbows for me.


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Just to prove to folks that not all conservatives are anti-gay- my oldest daughter is a devote Christian, goes to a Christian college, reads the Bible every day, lives by the rules and strictness of her church- on her own doing. My youngest daughter is like me- an Independent, who has more liberal leanings than her older sister.

They are both best friends of my best friend's oldest daughter- they are all close, like siblings, more than friends. My best friend's oldest daughter is gay and is getting married, and both of my daughters are PROUD bridesmaids in her wedding. My son is also a conservative Christian like his older sister, and he is a PROUD adopted brother and groomsman in her wedding. My agnostic husband is walking her down the aisle, while this Christian lady is a proud second Mama to her and will be walking down with my bestie as her two Moms, escorted by the groomsmen/women.

As I said above,My husband is agnostic, while I am a Christian, but my leanings are scientific fact based- meaning, I have knowledge and understanding that hormones have a role in our sexuality- you can't just decide to be gay or bisexual or heterosexual just because it sounds like fun- it's hormonal based.I can hardly understand the notion that God hates gays, preached by some idiot fools, when God created people to be who they are, and loves everybody- he thinks we are perfect the way that we are, who is anyone to say that one person isn't good enough in God's eyes over the other? Thou shalt not judge- that means ALL of us shall not judge, not just one person or group. Yet these ignorant radicals irk me to no end with their BS preaching- they better be careful, because on judgment day, God will severely ask them why they didn't help and love others like he wants us to, instead of causing pain, misery, and spewing hatred instead.
 
You know, I quite clearly remember the Bernstein's being judged harshly like this in the beginning, when it turned out that not only did they suspect Blaze was gay, but they loved him and adored him and his mother tried to get him to talk about it, to let him know that they loved him anyway and would support him. People made early and harsh judgments about their family, and I would hate to do the same about Blake's family, without knowing more about them. Just because they are religious, does not mean that they wouldn't love or care and support him, if he was gay.

I have devote Christians in my family that love and support several family members and friends that are gay- we're talking right wing religious folks who follow the Bible like it's their lifeline- yet they still love people close to them who's beliefs aren't the same. I know there are some radicals out there, but it isn't fair to assume that every religious person is one.

I couldn't agree more Steelslady.
 
Any of this could potentially be true. He was at a school where permission had to be sought to date someone of the opposite race so in my way of thinking, that's pretty strict. Idk if B was gay or not, but, the first pic I saw of him, I thought that there was a good chance, before I came to WS to see if there was a thread set up. If so, I hope someone didn't hurt him b/c of that. I hope it was, somehow, truly, accidental.

How can you tell by a picture that there was a good chance Blake was gay? I don't think that's possible. IMO
 
The vandalized/wrecked vehicle and the cinder block on the gas pedal is what really throws things *advertiser censored** over elbows for me.


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This. Is it possible he was unfamiliar where the road led to the vacant house, found that it was dead end, attempted to turn around, got stuck and placed the cinder block on gas pedal and pushed car (losing shoe, necklace, hat, etc.). The car came unstuck with a vengeance and spiraled into carport, etc., knocking off mirrors and denting open door?

Is BS OCD? Does anyone know? I read that he was so proud of that car. If it ended up with the damage we have read about, could he have been so upset that he went for a walk to cool off and think and fell into the lake?

I can see the cinder block scenario, but his reaction after the fact is, I admit, stretching it. But, none of us know him or how he might react to total destruction of his car.

So much potential, such a sad ending for such a beautiful beginning, IMHO.
 
Longtime lurker, but I live in Knoxville so I’ve been following this case closely.


I have no connection to Blake or anyone close to him. Crown College, where he was attending, is a very strict and conservative Christian college.


While the location where his car was found is really close to Alcoa Hwy/UT campus/downtown Knoxville, it’d be really surprising for someone to accidentally end up where he did.


My belief is he went to that park specifically to meet up with someone.


I hate speculating what that could've been for, but my first thoughts are sex and/or drugs.


That park is known to be a “hookup” spot, especially for anonymous people who meet on sites like backpage.


My best guess is that Blake might’ve been gay and was secretly meeting someone there, and something went wrong.


That doesn’t explain the way his car was found, though. The fact his car was found with damage to both sides, engine running and a cinder block on the gas pedal is so alarming.


Could he have hit his head when wrecking and became confused? But why would he then put a cinder block on the gas?


Maybe he picked someone up, was driving and they got into an argument/fight that caused the wreck? And the other person panicked and staged the rest.
 
You know, I quite clearly remember the Bernstein's being judged harshly like this in the beginning, when it turned out that not only did they suspect Blaze was gay, but they loved him and adored him and his mother tried to get him to talk about it, to let him know that they loved him anyway and would support him. People made early and harsh judgments about their family, and I would hate to do the same about Blake's family, without knowing more about them. Just because they are religious, does not mean that they wouldn't love or care and support him, if he was gay.

I have devote Christians in my family that love and support several family members and friends that are gay- we're talking right wing religious folks who follow the Bible like it's their lifeline- yet they still love people close to them who's beliefs aren't the same. I know there are some radicals out there, but it isn't fair to assume that every religious person is one.

I am so sorry if I came across as being judgmental. I completely agree with what you said in the first paragraph of your post.

I also relate to what you shared in your second paragraph: I have friends who were terrified to come out to their religious families -Evangelical Christian and Muslim in my experience-, only to be fully embraced and supported upon doing so.

Again, it was not my intent to judge Blake's parents. My sincere apologies.
 
Are the rules that are posted from the college that Blake went to? Because Some are telling me that there is no Trinity school around there


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I'm also curious about whether the cinder block came from the building site where the car was found. Were there other cinder blocks on site?
 
I'm also curious about whether the cinder block came from the building site where the car was found. Were there other cinder blocks on site?

I've wondered this, too.
 
I haven't seen this mentioned and am curious -- if the car was found with engine still runnng and brick on accelerator, then either it was in neutral or park, or the wheels would be still spinning. Has anyone seen reports of either?
 
Are the rules that are posted from the college that Blake went to? Because Some are telling me that there is no Trinity school around there
Blake attended Crown College which has its campus in Powell, just outside of Knoxville.
The mods have stated upthread that discussion of the college rules is off-topic...I think because it opens up a can of worms and divides WS posters into critism and defense of organized religion etc, but I’m not really sure.
For those curious, a google search of “crown college knoxville code of conduct” will lead to a blog post from 2012. It is not known whether the same rules exist today and that is perhaps another reason the mods stepped in? (In any case, let’s not get the thread shut down by bringing back thoughts on this without an ok by mods :) )
 
So I took a ride around the area earlier, and here are some observations:

I had Ad. Farragut Park confused with Carl Cowan Park. They are connected, but though CCP is wide open style, AFP is secluded. You go up a hill and then down into a small wooded area near the river. Very easy to see why this is known as a good "meeting place". It took me less than 10 minutes to drive between the park and the house.

I was stunned by how close the house is to the houses around it - I at first thought I must have had the wrong house. I expected it to be much more secluded. I could stand in the back yard of the house on the opposite side of the water and hit the other house with a rock. The water is mostly dried up right now immediately behind the house due to the lake levels being lowered, he would have had to have walked a little ways to even get to water of any depth.

Ballard Road does have a very small, old private property sign at the entrance, but it not cordoned off in any way. There were several vehicles at the house, though I cannot tell what they were as the neighbors appeared to be home and I didn't feel comfortable stopping to look. They looked like workers to me though, not police - don't hold me to that, just my impression.

If you look at street view, you'll notice a small house at the entrance to Ballard Way - that house appears deserted now, as does the house opposite. There are three brick houses on E. Old Topside that have a full view of the backyard of the house - two opposite the house on the other side of the water, and one up the hill on the other side of Old Topside. The last Google Street view I have seen was taken in May 2012 - there have been many trees removed since then, and the builders of the house appear to have had all trees between them and the water cleared. I could actually see the top story of the house from all the way out on Topside Rd, not just from E. Old Topside.

I'm left with more questions than answers after having seen the area. How in the world did he hit the house and the neighbors not hear it??? How was there a car running all night with a block on the gas pedal without them seeing or hearing it???
 
Thanks LadyO for your “feet on the ground” sleuthing.

I have a few questions about Ballards Way:
-Did you get a look at the front side of the house that faces away from the lake and if so was there any sign of damage? Did you see a deck structure at the front or the side hidden from view?
-With the water being so low, do you think that running a car off the property would have been successful if the goal was to sink it?
-Do you think the cinder block could have been found at the site...ie does it look like there are still building materials about?

Thanks in advance if you can answer some of these questions :)
 
Blake attended Crown College which has its campus in Powell, just outside of Knoxville.
The mods have stated upthread that discussion of the college rules is off-topic...I think because it opens up a can of worms and divides WS posters into critism and defense of organized religion etc, but I’m not really sure.
For those curious, a google search of “crown college knoxville code of conduct” will lead to a blog post from 2012. It is not known whether the same rules exist today and that is perhaps another reason the mods stepped in? (In any case, let’s not get the thread shut down by bringing back thoughts on this without an ok by mods :) )

Oh no I'm so sorry. I didn't know


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Thanks LadyO for your “feet on the ground” sleuthing.

I have a few questions about Ballards Way:
-Did you get a look at the front side of the house that faces away from the lake and if so was there any sign of damage? Did you see a deck structure at the front or the side hidden from view?
-With the water being so low, do you think that running a car off the property would have been successful if the goal was to sink it?
-Do you think the cinder block could have been found at the site...ie does it look like there are still building materials about?

Thanks in advance if you can answer some of these questions :)

Would just be my guesses, as again I just drove by slowly twice.

1. No, I don't think there would be any way to see the side facing away from the water without going up Ballard Way. I didn't see any decking except the large back decking seen in previous pics, but it didn't appear damaged to me.

2. The car would have to have driven quite a ways to reach deep water. The house isn't really "on the lake" imho, it's more of a small finger off of it that is dry in the winter. The house is near the "tip" of the finger. You can walk across to the neighbors house currently, though I'm sure it's muddy. I could see water behind the brick house closest to Topside Rd, if that gives some indication on how far it would have to travel.

3. It wouldn't be surprising to find that there (moo). It doesn't look finished.
 
So I took a ride around the area earlier, and here are some observations:

Rsbm

I was stunned by how close the house is to the houses around it -

Rsbm


I'm left with more questions than answers after having seen the area. How in the world did he hit the house and the neighbors not hear it???

(Completely off topic and unrelated, I had to post because your post is uncannily similar to my posts re: when I went to where Jessica Ridgeway was abduced from...all the houses were so close together, how on earth did somebody not see anything?)
 
So I took a ride around the area earlier, and here are some observations:

I had Ad. Farragut Park confused with Carl Cowan Park. They are connected, but though CCP is wide open style, AFP is secluded. You go up a hill and then down into a small wooded area near the river. Very easy to see why this is known as a good "meeting place". It took me less than 10 minutes to drive between the park and the house.

I was stunned by how close the house is to the houses around it - I at first thought I must have had the wrong house. I expected it to be much more secluded. I could stand in the back yard of the house on the opposite side of the water and hit the other house with a rock. The water is mostly dried up right now immediately behind the house due to the lake levels being lowered, he would have had to have walked a little ways to even get to water of any depth.

Ballard Road does have a very small, old private property sign at the entrance, but it not cordoned off in any way. There were several vehicles at the house, though I cannot tell what they were as the neighbors appeared to be home and I didn't feel comfortable stopping to look. They looked like workers to me though, not police - don't hold me to that, just my impression.

If you look at street view, you'll notice a small house at the entrance to Ballard Way - that house appears deserted now, as does the house opposite. There are three brick houses on E. Old Topside that have a full view of the backyard of the house - two opposite the house on the other side of the water, and one up the hill on the other side of Old Topside. The last Google Street view I have seen was taken in May 2012 - there have been many trees removed since then, and the builders of the house appear to have had all trees between them and the water cleared. I could actually see the top story of the house from all the way out on Topside Rd, not just from E. Old Topside.

I'm left with more questions than answers after having seen the area. How in the world did he hit the house and the neighbors not hear it??? How was there a car running all night with a block on the gas pedal without them seeing or hearing it???

RBBM

Thank you for your excellent report, LadyO!

I've wondered about this also.

It would be helpful to know -and LE may have looked into this already- if anyone heard or saw anything between Saturday evening and Sunday morning.

As to the timeline:
"Jim Smith said he first realized something was unusual late Saturday when he used an app he uses to track his son's location to zoom in on residential location. Smith said he knew something was wrong when he woke up the next morning and saw Blake was still at the same location.

'I called his roommate in the dorm and he said he didn't make it in that night,' Smith said. 'At that point, I became alarmed and began making phone calls to security at Crown College.'"
http://www.wvlt.tv/content/news/BCS...r-says-disappearance-worrisome-472670223.html

Also, I found this earlier post by Gardener1850 quite helpful:

Found a video interview with his parents: https://www.knoxnews.com/videos/news...ent/110120836/

According to that his parents tracked him with an app called "Life 360". They noticed he was at an unusual place Saturday night late at night when he was supposed to be at the dorm. When he still wasn't back at the dorm at 2 AM his dad was concerned. Dad called his roommates at 7 AM and found out he never made it back there. Then they contacted college security and police. Dad said no blood in car so they are hoping for the best. A friend had dropped him off at the dorm after work around 2 PM, then he had texted his dad his W2's so his dad could help do taxes. His dad thinks he got in his car and drove to the park right after that because the picture was posted to instagram not long after the text. He likes to hike so his dad thinks he went to the park to hike.
(RBM)
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-Knoxville-3-Feb-2018&p=13912421#post13912421

So we do know at least Blake's phone -and likely his car- was at the construction site at 2am and stayed there until, say, 8am- or 9am-ish Sunday morning, when it was found with its engine running.

It would be helpful to know, IMO:

1. what time the construction site first showed up as Blake's -or his phone at least- location. LE may already know this if they were able to retrace Blake's movements prior to 2am via Life360.

2. what time the wreck happened. Did anyone hear or see anything overnight?

3. how long the car had been running before being found. It seems like someone would have heard something perhaps not overnight, but by the early morning hours on Sunday.

Another thought I have is if Blake or someone else was trying to unstuck the car, that would have made a lot of noise, especially with the tires still running, and for a prolonged period of time, IMO.

And the same goes for the car being damaged so extensively, especially if it was done intentionally (it would take time to dent up the car, bend a door back, rip the mirrors off, etc.).

Finally, why no call for help (that we are aware of)?

All MOO.
 
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