Found Deceased TN - Eliza "Liza" Fletcher Abducted While Jogging Near University of Memphis #2

[JerseyWasHome2]

I wondered the same. In the affidavit he's known as "(Henderson)" but none of his criminal bookings show him with that name, so I'm at a loss.

And Henderson is in parens in the affidavit, so perhaps that was his birth father's surname and another father raised him and he took on the other name as his own.

 

[Mistree]

It's going to be "something," and not "somebody."

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Weapon?

 

[MassGuy]

Weapon?

Maybe, but guys like this also dump bodies off the sides of roads.

 

[bestill]

Could Liza have thrown out his shoes and her phone from the car before he subdued her?

 

[formerjerseygirl]

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[KonaHonu]

He

I'm playing around with his nickname of Pooki

Pookie Abston and Cleo Real

 

[formerjerseygirl]

no longer live sorry

 

[bestill]

Pookie Abston and Cleo Real

Wild too, I believe

 

[Charlot123]

I wondered the same. In the affidavit he's known as "(Henderson)" but none of his criminal bookings show him with that name, so I'm at a loss.

Someone might use dad’s and mom’s names alternatively

Weapon?

Sadly

 

[kspoon45]

Maybe, but guys like this also dump bodies off the sides of roads.

Yeah, but if that were the case, they have a small window of time (~3 hours) where they could pull camera footage to see. I don't think it's a body.

 

[MassGuy]

Could Liza have thrown out his shoes and her phone from the car before he subdued her?

I doubt anyone would be thinking that clearly in a moment like that. She'd certainly want to keep her phone, as that would be a lifeline.

I imagine his footwear maybe fell out an open door during the struggle.

 

[morty4185]

Well

If she was still alive, the perp would have disclosed this by now because he is in custody. The fact that he is silent, means that she is dead, in all likelihood. MOO

Well, maybe a crazy thought here but being in prison he may have met a trafficker. Trafficker may have told him that "x" pays "x" amount of money for women. Dude, being in need of cash, sees EF and grabs her, with the plan being to sell her to trafficker.

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Don't know how much blood was found in vehicle so perhaps this is way off thought but who knows. If they are searching water ways many traffickers will take their victims by boat to another country.

 

[CuriousCricket]

I was getting ready to post something similar. Why would they remove a computer and her car (and garden shears, possibly) yesterday morning if they already had pretty significant leads on what/who they were looking for? By that time, they had seen the video of the abduction and the violence involved... why would they be looking for other things that seem unrelated?

From TV shows, it appears LE must show they followed all the leads, other leads, rather than zeroing in on just one suspect, then possibly "fitting him up" for the crime. Defense attorneys press on that -- according to my TV source. LE must have examined everything. We all know so many cases do involve the family, who must be eliminated - sometimes before LE starts looking outward.

 

[Ursamajr]

Looks like the Memphis PD helicopter is finishing up now.

 

[MassGuy]

Well

Well, maybe a crazy thought here but being in prison he may have met a trafficker. Trafficker may have told him that "x" pays "x" amount of money for women. Dude, being in need of cash, sees EF and grabs her, with the plan being to sell her to trafficker.

Considering someone was busted for fentanyl and heroin at same time he was arrested perhaps once subdued they shoot her with heroin which would eliminate her ability to fight back and make it easier to transfer her to trafficker.

Don't know how much blood was found in vehicle so perhaps this is way off thought but who knows. If they are searching water ways many traffickers will take their victims by boat to another country.

Low risk victims aren't kidnapped and forced into sex trafficking, despite viral Facebook posts. The last thing they want is someone everyone will be looking for, which is why they tend to target high risk individuals (drug addicts, runaways, homeless, mentally ill).

Typically it's a drawn out grooming process, one that can even take years.

There's no need to grab women off the street, and it tends to be much more insidious.

Myths, Facts, and Statistics

Traffickers use violence, threats, deception, debt bondage, and other manipulative tactics to force people to engage in commercial sex or to provide labor or services against their will.

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[cricket49]

So he kidnaps her, then immediately kills her? He had to have had some kind of weapon for her not to outrun him

Not always true. As a runner I remember reading that an out of shape man could catch a fast conditioned woman runner.

The male perpetrator has strength, adrenaline and the element of surprise. There are of course exceptions.

 

[Angleterre]

Low risk victims aren't kidnapped and forced into sex trafficking, despite viral Facebook posts. The last thing they want is someone everyone will be looking for, which is why they tend to target high risk individuals (drug addicts, runaways, homeless, mentally ill).

Typically it's a drawn out grooming process, one that can even take years.

There's no need to grab women off the street, and it tends to be much more insidious.

Myths, Facts, and Statistics

Traffickers use violence, threats, deception, debt bondage, and other manipulative tactics to force people to engage in commercial sex or to provide labor or services against their will.

polarisproject.org

Agreed MassGuy

 

[sun16]

Maybe they’re looking for stuff he said he threw out the window.

 

[minneolo]

How does the last name "Henderson" play into this, anyone know? Women take on spouse's names. Men's names typically do not change. Confusing...

I wondered the same. In the affidavit he's known as "(Henderson)" but none of his criminal bookings show him with that name, so I'm at a loss.

And Henderson is in parens in the affidavit, so perhaps that was his birth father's surname and another father raised him and he took on the other name as his own.

Or perhaps more simply Henderson is one parent’s surname, and Abston is the other’s name. Presumably Abston is his legal surname, but plenty of reasons why he might utilize the other time at times. That’s why aliases are often listed.

ETA: and small chuckle that all the speculation is about fathers’ names / married names. Lots of folks carry their mother’s surname.

 

[CuriousCricket]

How does the last name "Henderson" play into this, anyone know? Women take on spouse's names. Men's names typically do not change. Confusing...

Sometimes it's an adoption or mom remarries and the kids in the family unofficially go by the stepdad's name.