Found Deceased TN - Evelyn Boswell, 15 months, Sullivan County, 26 DEC 2019 *Arrests*

[lisser]

Am I understanding this correctly? Are you saying that I can take a kid that isn’t mine, and refuse to give it back, but as long as the actual parent knows where I’m keeping it, that isn’t a crime? That my neighbor could ask me to watch her two babies, and I could refuse to give them back.... but as long as I don’t run off with them, that isn’t a reportable crime?

If MB had wanted her baby back at any moment and someone interfered with that, that is a crime. You can’t just refuse to give kids back at the end of a babysitting job.

My gut says it was implied consent. AB may have said I’m keeping her because xyz and MB didn’t fight her on it for whatever reason.

 

[Alethea]

Am I understanding this correctly? Are you saying that I can take a kid that isn’t mine, and refuse to give it back, but as long as the actual parent knows where I’m keeping it, that isn’t a crime? That my neighbor could ask me to watch her two babies, and I could refuse to give them back.... but as long as I don’t run off with them, that isn’t a reportable crime?

If MB had wanted her baby back at any moment and someone interfered with that, that is a crime. You can’t just refuse to give kids back at the end of a babysitting job.

Kidnapping is defined as holding someone against their will. Holding children against the will of their custodial parent(s) is kidnapping. That’s why otherwise well-meaning family members and non-custodial parents get in trouble for custodial kidnapping.

I get people just wanting to be creative and controversial for the sake of having something to talk about but the fact and the law is the CUSTODIAL PARENT is responsible for a child. If you want to waive or terminate your custodial rights there are ways to do it and we see grandparent adoptions all the time. But until then...

 

[bellyup]

She was the one physically and legally responsible for the child. It doesn’t sound like he is really even in the picture. She is the one who let someone take the kid away. ETA my post you commented wasn’t about why he isn’t scrutinized more, but was speaking more to the fact that he could have possibly had more custody or visitation rights if he wanted to. Being stationed in another state doesn’t mean he can’t, and it sounds like he should have had custody. I’m sure if he knew the dysfunctional situation his baby was in, he would have helped her. It’s too bad that it is probably too late.

I'm not getting into this big debate over custody and custody law. For one thing, they change frequently, vary by state and 100 people will chime in with their own experiences which may or may not be relevant.

For another, the law as stated in the news article about TN is grossly over simplified. Many factors would come into play including a near immediate DNA test and custody/visitation hearings if Maggie named him as the father.

If she didn't name him and have DNA done (and we do not know) why are we even discussing this man? There's no proof he's Evelyn's biological father.

 

[Seattle1]

dbm

 

[Seattle1]

dbm

 

[MyBelle]

You have room on this bench? We are in the minority.

No one here seems to be considering that for some people extended families are often the main care givers of little ones. Moms, aunts, sisters, grandparents. At no time has Maggie said she left Evelyn with any specific person. Quite the contrary, she's refused to name who had Evelyn.

I don't get it and I'm quite sure I've never seen this on WS. Where LE specifically states that someone is "not accused of wrong doing" and yet it's allowed here to basically tar and feather her. I may eat my words but I'll keep giving Maggie the benefit of the doubt until more information is available.

Feel free to share! I've seen it on WS and inevitably the mods have to shut down the thread and clean it up. MB has not been named a POI or suspect. She is a victim until LE says otherwise. I think LE asked Maggie not to identify anyone. I noticed they didn't identify anyone when they issued the BOLO for the car even though they knew exactly who had it.

Since the little MB has said is being twisted and contorted, I doubt she says any more. Let's hope they find that sweet baby alive very soon. The fact she wasn't in the BMW is concerning.

JMO

 

[Alethea]

I don’t understand the mental gymnastics. The Sheriff made a public statement that MB is actively lying to LE and her stories have been refuted by video surveillance and eye witness testimony. Have you ever seen a case where LE says publicly the family of a missing person were lying and those people didn’t end up charged with something?

It can be both true that someone was dealt a crap hand in life AND they’re responsible for the well-being of their baby.

Lying to LE and obstructing a criminal investigation are both crimes.

 

[lisser]

DBM - triple post.y phone got stuck on repeat. Sorry all!

 

[Seattle1]

You have room on this bench? We are in the minority.

No one here seems to be considering that for some people extended families are often the main care givers of little ones. Moms, aunts, sisters, grandparents. At no time has Maggie said she left Evelyn with any specific person. Quite the contrary, she's refused to name who had Evelyn.

I don't get it and I'm quite sure I've never seen this on WS. Where LE specifically states that someone is "not accused of wrong doing" and yet it's allowed here to basically tar and feather her. I may eat my words but I'll keep giving Maggie the benefit of the doubt until more information is available.

Respectfully, discounting the credibility of Maggie did not originate at WS. This was all courtesy of LE (Sullivan County Sheriff Jeff Cassidy).

"Some of the information she's given us hasn't been really accurate," he said. "This case is unlike anything I've ever been involved in.

Also, the Sheriff has publically stated he is taking the word of the babysitter over the mother.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

dbm - duplicate

 

[SCBaseballMom]

Am I understanding this correctly? Are you saying that I can take a kid that isn’t mine, and refuse to give it back, but as long as the actual parent knows where I’m keeping it, that isn’t a crime? That my neighbor could ask me to watch her two babies, and I could refuse to give them back.... but as long as I don’t run off with them, that isn’t a reportable crime?

If MB had wanted her baby back at any moment and someone interfered with that, that is a crime. You can’t just refuse to give kids back at the end of a babysitting job.

No, but if a convicted criminal in a position of power says “I will report you to CPS for leaving your child with me and my criminal boyfriend if you do anything about it and I will tell them (add every way you have ever fallen short),” you might be inclined to think twice before contacting LE. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t buy ALL of what MB is selling, but I am trying to maintain an independent objective perspective that does not condemn only one individual on whom we have little factual evidence or information.

 

[swanniee11]

what's the problem?

exactly what you just posted. TN law doesn't hold "him" responsible unless he goes to court. A child is, I pray just missing and the father isn't held responsible for her unless he goes to court to fight, He should be just as responsible for that child's well being as the mother. This case sucks. Did the father have the opportunity to contact the mom, his family to see how Evelyn is doing? I can't find 1 person in this whole Chit-show that has that child's best interest, not 1 !

 

[Alethea]

No, but if a convicted criminal in a position of power says “I will report you to CPS for leaving your child with me and my criminal boyfriend if you do anything about it and I will tell them (add every way you have ever fallen short),” you might be inclined to think twice before contacting LE. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t buy ALL of what MB is selling, but I am trying to maintain an independent objective perspective that does not condemn only one individual on whom we have little factual evidence or information.

I understand the theory during the past 2 months but when the FBI is interrogating you about your missing child, you have bigger worries than your mom and DCF. Making false statements that can be disproved within days by LE does not show some sophisticated criminal mind.

I mean we’re ascribing criminal mastermind behavior to someone who couldn’t keep up a couple of lies and/or not state things that were quickly “contradicted by video surveillance.” And LE is so confident that this is all made up that they went on national TV to say it. That just doesn’t happen.

 

[lisser]

Respectfully, discounting the credibility of Maggie did not originate at WS. This was the courtesy of LE (Sullivan County Sheriff Jeff Cassidy).

"Some of the information she's given us hasn't been really accurate," he said. "This case is unlike anything I've ever been involved in.

Also, the Sheriff has publically stated he is taking the word of the babysitter over the mother.

MOO

I believe she did mislead LE, however, I think she did it because somehow she believes Evelyn is better off out of the area, and because she knew who had her ans didn’t want either of them found. MOO

 

[MyBelle]

I don’t understand the mental gymnastics. The Sheriff made a public statement that MB is actively lying to LE and her stories have been refuted by video surveillance and eye witness testimony. Have you ever seen a case where LE says publicly the family of a missing person were lying and those people didn’t end up charged with something?

It can be both true that someone was dealt a crap hand in life AND they’re responsible for the well-being of their baby.

Lying to LE and obstructing a criminal investigation are both crimes.

I didn't hear the Sheriff say MB is actively lying to LE. I heard him say there were inconsistencies and inaccuracies in what she has said which has complicated his investigation. He also wouldn't reveal the identities of the people in the BOLO for the BMW and they turned out to be AB and her boyfriend. I think his focus is still on finding Evelyn because she obviously wasn't in the car with them when they were apprehended.

JMO

 

[bellyup]

I understand the theory during the past 2 months but when the FBI is interrogating you about your missing child, you have bigger worries than your mom and DCF. Making false statements that can be disproved within days by LE does not show some sophisticated criminal mind.

I mean we’re ascribing criminal mastermind behavior to someone who couldn’t keep up a couple of lies and/or not state things that were quickly “contradicted by video surveillance.” And LE is so confident that this is all made up that they went on national TV to say it. That just doesn’t happen.

Does anyone have an article that says MB gave THEM (as in LE) inaccurate information?

That’s my question. It’s entirely possible that she gave TB (or others) one story and gave LE the truth and that is where the inconsistencies are stemming from.

 

[Arkay]

If she didn't name him and have DNA done (and we do not know) why are we even discussing this man? There's no proof he's Evelyn's biological father.

I've been thinking the same thing, that I don't believe we as onlookers have any proof as of yet that EP is the father. However, someone is the father. Since EP has been named as the father, I would assume the mother declared him as such. Whether or not he's on the birth certificate, or a DNA test was done, we don't know. But there is another parent and for now the assumption is it is EP.

Therefore my question is about the relationship between EP and MB that led to the birth of Evelyn. Was this a high-school sweetheart situation, or a one-night stand? It's relevant because if EP was around the family a lot, he may know that they have criminal histories and so on. Even if he is only 20, and in another state, if he's the father I would wonder if he had been involved in Evelyn's life. Did he feel that his daughter was in good hands? Did he voluntarily pay child support, even if Tennesee law didn't demand it without proof of fatherhood? Since he is not nearby, did he Face-Time or something with Evelyn and MB, just to see how Evelyn was doing, and so she would know who he is?

If Evelyn is found alive, God willing, then if he does think he could be the father, would he apply for custody? Even if he's deployed overseas, there must be relatives on his side that can help care for her when he's away. If he isn't deployed, would he take steps to prove fatherhood and gain custody and care of Evelyn?

I mean someone in the family must care about this little girl!

I hope, as do we all, that she is very quickly located alive and well. Then going forward, she needs to be raised by somebody who gives a damn about her.

 

[SCBaseballMom]

I understand the theory during the past 2 months but when the FBI is interrogating you about your missing child, you have bigger worries than your mom and DCF. Making false statements that can be disproved within days by LE does not show some sophisticated criminal mind.

I mean we’re ascribing criminal mastermind behavior to someone who couldn’t keep up a couple of lies and/or not state things that were quickly “contradicted by video surveillance.” And LE is so confident that this is all made up that they went on national TV to say it. That just doesn’t happen.

1. I believe this chick is not the brightest bulb in the box, so please do not conflate that with me endorsing her as a “criminal mastermind.” I even question her mental health or if she has legitimate developmental delays.
2. My belief through most of this process has been that most likely extreme neglect led to something terrible that everyone is covering up.
3. There has been no proof of point 2, and until there is, I will not subscribe to the belief that point 2 is a fact. Thanks to the American criminal justice system, we are innocent until proven guilty, and in this case no one has even been named as a suspect.
4. I whole-heartedly believe MB to be guilty of obstruction, as evidenced by LE’s statement at the press conference. I cannot, however, assign guilt to her for anything else until there is evidence. Suspecting and assigning are two different things. I also believe she should be held accountable for the crimes that there is EVIDENCE of her committing. We have not heard from LE that she INTENTIONALLY misled them, so she may not be guilty of any crime at all. MOO

 

[Jo in Calif]

I believe she did mislead LE, however, I think she did it because somehow she believes Evelyn is better off out of the area, and because she knew who had her ans didn’t want either of them found. MOO

So are you implying that someone other than her mother had EB and she knows this?

 

[bellyup]

Feel free to share! I've seen it on WS and inevitably the mods have to shut down the thread and clean it up. MB has not been named a POI or suspect. She is a victim until LE says otherwise. I think LE asked Maggie not to identify anyone. I noticed they didn't identify anyone when they issued the BOLO for the car even though they knew exactly who had it.
Since the little MB has said is being twisted and contorted, I doubt she says any more. Let's hope they find that sweet baby alive very soon. The fact she wasn't in the BMW is concerning.
JMO

I agree. This whole “refuses to say who has Evelyn” is refusal to the media and the public but I don’t think it was refusal to tell LE. They would have told her not to disclose it as it would be part of the investigation.

Im also not convinced that Angel is the one who MB named to LE as having Evelyn. I have feelings on this but we’ll see if they pan out or not.
I hope it wasn’t.

 

[MyBelle]

I don’t understand the mental gymnastics. The Sheriff made a public statement that MB is actively lying to LE and her stories have been refuted by video surveillance and eye witness testimony. Have you ever seen a case where LE says publicly the family of a missing person were lying and those people didn’t end up charged with something?

It can be both true that someone was dealt a crap hand in life AND they’re responsible for the well-being of their baby.

Lying to LE and obstructing a criminal investigation are both crimes.

I didn't hear the Sheriff say MB is actively lying to LE. I heard him say there were inconsistencies and inaccuracies in what she has said which has complicated his investigation. He also wouldn't reveal the identities of the people in the BOLO for the BMW and they turned out to be AB and her boyfriend. I think his focus is still on finding Evelyn because she obviously wasn't in the car with them when they were apprehended and that's scary.

JMO