TN - Five killed in shootings at 2 US military centers, Chattanooga, 16 July 2015

[MotherOcean]

There are those who call themselves Christians but they are not, those who claim to be Jews but they are not, and those who claim to be Islamic but they are not. It is those who read, know, understand, and follow the doctrines of their holy book(s) who are the true disciples. IMO.

 

[CoolJ]

There are those who call themselves Christians but they are not, those who claim to be Jews but they are not, and those who claim to be Islamic but they are not. It is those who read, know, understand, and follow the doctrines of their holy book(s) who are the true disciples. IMO.

Agreed. And anyone who is responsible for attacks such as the one today "are not", no matter how much they claim they are.

 

[CoolJ]

How do you know they don't reject it? It's not like they have a lot of choice if they're already living in territory taken over by ISIS.

Exactly. Their options are accept it or die. Don't think you can get an accurate interpretation of their true nature under those circumstances.

 

[katydid23]

How do you know they don't reject it? It's not like they have a lot of choice if they're already living in territory taken over by ISIS.

I can only go by what I am reading about it. And according to the article by Graeme that I linked, millions of followers are enthusiastically taking part in the Caliphate. They are eager to embrace it, beheadings and all. They believe in the ancient teachings and believe they will be delivered unto bliss during the Armegeddon.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

 

[katydid23]

Exactly. Their options are accept it or die. Don't think you can get an accurate interpretation of their true nature under those circumstances.

That is what I used to believe. But that does not explain the hundreds of thousands that have emigrated TO Isis territories. And those that have willingly stayed and do take part in the new state. They are not all being held hostage.

 

[human]

Sounds like they love ISIS-- not!,

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/30/world/meast/isis-female-slaves/

 

[katydid23]

Sounds like they love ISIS-- not!,

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/30/world/meast/isis-female-slaves/

This ^^^ is how they treat the infidels, not how they treat 'their' women. I never ever said their enemies love them. Far from it. But their followers are very loyal and happy.

 

[human]

I can only go by what I am reading about it. And according to the article by Graeme that I linked, millions of followers are enthusiastically taking part in the Caliphate. They are eager to embrace it, beheadings and all. They believe in the ancient teachings and believe they will be delivered unto bliss during the Armegeddon.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

I think there are different adherents of religion here and around the world that think they are going to be raptured or whatever, so it makes sense that there are adherents that believe that in their view of Islam as well.

 

[human]

This ^^^ is how they treat the infidels, not how they treat 'their' women. I never ever said their enemies love them. Far from it. But their followers are very loyal and happy.

Not sure where there are articles about "their" women. "Their"women are happy that "their" husbands are rapists?

 

[katydid23]

Sounds like they love ISIS-- not!,

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/30/world/meast/isis-female-slaves/

here are some testimonies:

Abu Bakr al Mously, a 23-year-old baker turned firefighter from Tal Abyad

"With dawla, I was safe," al Mously said, using the Arabic term for "the state" in reference to ISIS. "Prices rose but there was security."

(modsnip)

"Yeah, they whipped and hit people, but if you walk the straight and narrow, you're okay," he said.

(Modsnip)

He was not religious before the war, a fact some of the boys around him joke about now that he has declared himself a religious man.

"There is no fun after work," he said, shielding his eyes from the afternoon sun. "I don't play football or cards anymore. Now, I study Sharia. It's God's law."

"People were getting killed and Islam came to bring us together."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/17/isis-tal-abyad_n_7604670.html

 

[katydid23]

Not sure where there are articles about "their" women. "Their"women are happy that "their" husbands are rapists?

I am not defending ISIS rapists. I am just saying that they do have loyal followers that believe in their 'laws' such as raping infidels as punishment.

 

[human]

here are some testimonies:

Abu Bakr al Mously, a 23-year-old baker turned firefighter from Tal Abyad

"With dawla, I was safe," al Mously said, using the Arabic term for "the state" in reference to ISIS. "Prices rose but there was security."

(modsnip)

"Yeah, they whipped and hit people, but if you walk the straight and narrow, you're okay," he said.

(modsnip)

He was not religious before the war, a fact some of the boys around him joke about now that he has declared himself a religious man.

"There is no fun after work," he said, shielding his eyes from the afternoon sun. "I don't play football or cards anymore. Now, I study Sharia. It's God's law."

"People were getting killed and Islam came to bring us together."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/17/isis-tal-abyad_n_7604670.html

From the same article

daughter of Raqqa"), a 24-year-old woman from Tal Abyad

"If they saw women walking alone, they would beat [them]" the young woman recounted, sitting with her husband, parents and nephews. "So I followed their rules. They humiliated people beyond belief. "

(Modsnip)

"We had to dress according to Sharia law," she said, wearing a long black abaya and grey headscarf. "I'm definitely not going to cover my face anymore. I hated it."

(modsnip)

Her mother, who called herself Umm Khalil and wore an orange and yellow dress, seethed with anger at the topic of ISIS-mandated clothing.

"I'm an older woman who can barely walk and they want me to wear a burqa?" she said. "There's no oxygen!"

Then, throwing up her hands in the air, she declared: "I like Assad and I don't care!"

 

[CoolJ]

That is what I used to believe. But that does not explain the hundreds of thousands that have emigrated TO Isis territories. And those that have willingly stayed and do take part in the new state. They are not all being held hostage.

There is no denying they have an effective recruitment strategy.

 

[katydid23]

From the same article

daughter of Raqqa"), a 24-year-old woman from Tal Abyad

"If they saw women walking alone, they would beat [them]" the young woman recounted, sitting with her husband, parents and nephews. "So I followed their rules. They humiliated people beyond belief. "

Her young nephews, all school age, couldn't attend school because ISIS closed academic institutions, instead opening religious centers where youth could study the Quran and Islamic teachings as dictated by the hardline fighters.

Many of the fighters in Tal Abyad were foreign, European-looking men who married local women in the area, according to the woman and her husband, Abu al Raqqawi. When ISIS fled the town, these women and their ISIS-born children were reportedly left behind.

"We had to dress according to Sharia law," she said, wearing a long black abaya and grey headscarf. "I'm definitely not going to cover my face anymore. I hated it."

She plans to still wear an abaya and cover her hair, she said, because she believes in dressing modestly as a Muslim woman. But she couldn't stand covering her face everyday in a niqab -- a black piece of fabric that covers the face and sometimes even the eyes.

Her mother, who called herself Umm Khalil and wore an orange and yellow dress, seethed with anger at the topic of ISIS-mandated clothing.

"I'm an older woman who can barely walk and they want me to wear a burqa?" she said. "There's no oxygen!"

Then, throwing up her hands in the air, she declared: "I like Assad and I don't care!"

Yes. ISIS is a vicious organization. And yet they have millions of ardent supporters. Go figure.

 

[human]

I am not defending ISIS rapists. I am just saying that they do have loyal followers that believe in their 'laws' such as raping infidels as punishment.

Of course. Why not? There are believers of just about anything out there in the world. Remember the rich group that was leaving in a spaceship? I forget their name now.

 

[human]

Yes. ISIS is a vicious organization. And yet they have millions of ardent supporters. Go figure.

Hate is a winner. Makes people feel superior if they are the chosen ones.

 

[CoolJ]

here are some testimonies:

Abu Bakr al Mously, a 23-year-old baker turned firefighter from Tal Abyad

"With dawla, I was safe," al Mously said, using the Arabic term for "the state" in reference to ISIS. "Prices rose but there was security."

The extremist group's power and supposed ability to bring stability won over the young baker, who became a firefighter when the revolution and subsequent war erupted.

"Yeah, they whipped and hit people, but if you walk the straight and narrow, you're okay," he said.

Many Muslims around the world have decried ISIS for its violent interpretation of Islam. Al-Mously insisted he was never forced into conscription, but instead urged to study the Quran.

He was not religious before the war, a fact some of the boys around him joke about now that he has declared himself a religious man.

"There is no fun after work," he said, shielding his eyes from the afternoon sun. "I don't play football or cards anymore. Now, I study Sharia. It's God's law."

"People were getting killed and Islam came to bring us together."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/17/isis-tal-abyad_n_7604670.html

There is also no denying they have an effective PR campaign.

 

[mrscg]

<modsnip> this incident today demonstrates that random shootings are getting more and more frequent all of a sudden.

I really do think that ISIS has recently sent very specific orders to any ISIS sympathizers to start shooting and killing as many random people as they can.

Something is going on folks and its not good. We all need to take extreme caution to be on the lookout for any suspicious people.

Be careful especially tomorrow, guys. Tomorrow marks the end of Ramadan, the Islamic holy month. ISIS has promised more attacks during Ramadan so this is their last chance to put on a Ramadan spectacle. It also falls on a Friday, which is a significant day during Ramadan. To them it means that whatever deeds they do that day will get them extra "merits", in essentials. I will be surprised if nothing goes down tomorrow.

 

[Curious Guy]

Do we consider Westboro as representative of Christians?

Was Jim jones a spiritual leader? How about David Koresh?

Why are people using moral equivalance riddles in this thread? It is more than obvious the motive here is based on the escalating threat that is radical Islam. To bury one's head in the sand and deny the real threat these people are to humanity helps no one but the terrorists.


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[human]

Why are people using moral equivalance riddles in this thread? It is more than obvious the motive here is based on the escalating threat that is radical Islam. To bury one's head in the sand and deny the real threat these people are to humanity helps no one but the terrorists.


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So we don't paint everyone with the same brush. Easy to point fingers and forget our own homegrown terrorists. There are plenty of hate groups and it seems like the loner crazies as well,