TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren, 44, Signal Mountain, 30 April 2011 - #1

[believe09]

Do we have any idea if the children have even been allowed to talk to the police?

Can you compel a child to give a deposition through a subpoena if the legal guardian protests?

Why compel? DH is cooperating, so I am certain he would have allowed some supervised questioning. They are material witnesses. :twocents:

 

[believe09]

OK-so far I have not been able to find guidelines for TN, but most of the states I have been perusing do not require parental permission for interviewing non suspect minors. In fact, the SOP for DV issues are to separate the children and the parents for the purposes of obtaining witness statements.

So I wonder if separate statements were made by the kids regarding the incidents they witnessed between Gail and DH prior to the disappearance? Any phone calls she may have made, her demeanor, the clothing she was wearing? As confused stated, these are bright kids. They knew what was going on inside of the house.

 

[JBean]

I just had a D'oh moment. Where is the info on what she was last wearing? The kids would have HAD to provide that to PD since DH did not see her.

This is what is so odd to me beleive. There should be something in the police report about clothing and about what she may have said when she left.
Be right back going to the store. not coming back going on a trip, said nothing just walked out.
This is basic case information, yet it is not being reported as told in the police reports. I am not sure I have seen that before and doubt the media would overlook it or not report on it.

 

[perico]

There is no such thing as bad press or bad pressure with a MP case...even if the reporting is slanted to a salacious angle...it undoubtedly brings attention and attention is what is needed, right? Whatever means necessary....

That's my belief as well, and I think you find the person by any means necessary.

What I'm implying is that this particular community isn't used to the circus-atmosphere that can come with any sort of national press, and not everyone will understand the need for attention that todays media usually brings.

 

[whimdriven]

Why compel? DH is cooperating, so I am certain he would have allowed some supervised questioning. They are material witnesses. :twocents:

I was just speaking in generalities ... perhaps I missed it in the many pages of dialog here, but hadn't seen anything confirming or denying that the kiddos had been interviewed.

I agree with previous posters that they could give valuable information if they possess it.

 

[SurfieTX]

I suppose it is possible that the kids did not know what she was wearing. She could have went inside too when she dropped them off and changed clothes. They could have been aware that she changed but didn't notice the particulars as they were pre-occupied with their computers, Xbox, phones or whatever.

 

[hollyblue]

I missed something, where did it say that the family didn't want it to go national? Because I know the sister wants it posted wherever it can be?

There has not been any indication that her siblings do not want this to go national.

Per this local's post:

I do know a friend of the family though and she was told that the family doesn't want national attention. Not sure what that's about.

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[believe09]

Per this local's post:


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We arent sure what constitutes family in this statement, holly. It would be interesting to find out.

 

[believe09]

I suppose it is possible that the kids did not know what she was wearing. She could have went inside too when she dropped them off and changed clothes. They could have been aware that she changed but didn't notice the particulars as they were pre-occupied with their computers, Xbox, phones or whatever.

True, but giving the last known would at least provide a guideline. I havent seen any statement regarding whether or not she dropped off the luggage, or if they had a full set of clothes at the lake house which means she wouldnt have needed to pack. Not to mention a few meals for the time she and the kids were there.

 

[Emeralgem]

Confused, I am relieved and energized by this statement:

There is no doubt that Matt is doing anything he can to assist the LE.

We so oftern see a spouse under these circumstances who lawyers up, thereby preventing LE from moving forward with any investigation.

Thank you for this welcome news!!

I may very well be wrong but I thought I read he did have an attorney and was being advised not to talk to media..Anyone know IF he has lawyered up? I'm thinking he must have an attorney IF he is attempting to get custody of the children..

 

[hollyblue]

The timeline in this is confusing and I don't know how accurate the news reports are, but your post made me wonder: Normally you might not get a notification if someone changed their pin on a bank account, but since she is missing, that could be the reason for the notification. Even the change of address could have been brought to his attention because she is missing. I think there is a lot going on here behind the scenes that no one is talking about.

Yes, I thought about that after my post. IIRC it was on the 4th for one of the notifications (PO), but he could have gained the knowledge of either from LE. Out of curiosity, the next time I go to the PO and bank I'm going to inquire. As stated previously, if a DV victim is trying to separate from a dire situation, a notification sent to the current home could be problematic.

 

[Grifynne]

Ok, so I have a question that might have already been answered, but as I paged through recent posts I didn't see anything (but I also don't have my contacts in so as I squint, I may have missed it :crazy:. If so, I apologize):

Do we know if Gail took the items her husband mentioned before or after the pins were changed? Is is possible that the pins were somehow changed and she took the items as a back up in case she can't (or maybe knew she couldn't at the time) access funds in the accounts? Or, if she changed the pins, perhaps she still took the items in case the accounts were frozen? Sort of like some kind of insurance for when/if she was to leave?

I may be totally off base here but thought I would ask if this was a possibility.

 

[hollyblue]

I agree. The main concern is that all of our friends in this family are ok. My prayers are with them all.

Yes, they are all going through something anyone wouldn't care to experience. My prayers to you all.

Maybe you could clarify something I have a question on, if you can. It was stated in the media that the family moved to TN in 2009, yet Gail lost her job in June 2010 and Matt started his positon in TN in July 2010 as well. Were they commuting or does the media have the date of 2009 incorrect? Do you know what her position was with Norvartis...sales?
Appreciate your help, confused.

 

[Fortress]

If the kids say she was acting normal and they verify the dads story then they need to make sure her vehicle did not go off the road and is somewhere not easily seen.

If the dad won't let the kids talk to cops (surely not) then ........

My first instinct is her vehicle went off the road and they have not found her.
The kids hold the key to if she was frazzled and left, if dad did something, or if she just had a wreck and all the other info convoluted the search.

 

[AuburnPoet]

Do we even know if SHE changed the pins really?

The change of addy thing...could be here, may not be her. Someone could have filled out the request for her but whoever did had to sign their own name as I know from experience. See my above post. That is if they did it in person. You don't do mail in anymore. Those little pkgs at the Post Office are directing you to the website. So you either have to go in person or online.

Now the pins could have been himself or someone else. But whoever did it had to know the original ones and personal information about the account HOLDER. Not the CARDHOLDER. The ACCOUNT HOLDER. At least everytime I have had to change my information I have to prove I am the Authorized person/Account Holder/ Real person- able to make such changes.

So we still don't know anything except he/or she could have done either/or both.

hmmmmpfhh

 

[sophieness]

we really have no idea what his level of cooperation is with the investigation or not. all we have, are supporting character statements. that is totally different.

as for why people would notify him of an address change etc., I'm sure they did not. it would be sent to the house to her and he opened it. either out of curiousity, anger, he already knew it was coming, who knows. probably similar with her pin numbers. those are legally private to her whether they are married or not as far as I know.

 

[AuburnPoet]

we really have no idea what his level of cooperation is with the investigation or not. all we have, are supporting character statements. that is totally different.

as for why people would notify him of an address change etc., I'm sure they did not. it would be sent to the house to her and he opened it. either out of curiousity, anger, he already knew it was coming, who knows. probably similar with her pin numbers. those are legally private to her whether they are married or not as far as I know.

EXCELLENT POINT!

I guess When I stated my change of address notice was sent to the old address I forgot to say it was sent addressed to ME!

Now the pin change would have been sent to the ACCOUNT HOLDER would it not? Not just/necessarily to her?

And you are correct if the mail is addressed TO her they are hers not his to open just because they are married.

 

[hollyblue]

I may very well be wrong but I thought I read he did have an attorney and was being advised not to talk to media..Anyone know IF he has lawyered up? I'm thinking he must have an attorney IF he is attempting to get custody of the children..

An article did state the husband and his attorney would not make any statements to the media. (paraphrasing) I will post a link--while doing some research for other things....if I can find it. :banghead:I'm guessing a divorce attorney...not a criminal one. I've noticed, some of the articles are deleted already tho. (TFP.com)?

 

[sophieness]

EXCELLENT POINT!

I guess When I stated my change of address notice was sent to the old address I forgot to say it was sent addressed to ME!

Now the pin change would have been sent to the ACCOUNT HOLDER would it not? Not just/necessarily to her?

And you are correct if the mail is addressed TO her they are hers not his to open just because they are married.

I'm sure married people might do that kind of thing all the time, and I do think the PO ones sometimes come on postcards. But yeah I don't think the post office notified him personally, that doesn't make sense. "Do you know your wife is moving?" I don't think he has done ANYTHING publicly that shows he wants to locate her or is concerned for her safety beyond the initial report which of course he would look even more suspicious if he never filed one. I don't care how bad my marriage gets, I've seen my parents almost get divorced, they always would have personally appealed for the publics help if one went missing esp if there are children involved. she has never done ANYTHING to endanger her children that we are aware of (besides leaving a 9 year old and 12 year old alone- maybe for what she thought was a half hour- it is not unheard of for twelve year olds to babysit in the middle of the day), and if she had, it sounds like he would make sure we knew about it to be honest. I highly, highly doubt he consulted her physician to see how his actions would affect her.

I don't necessarily think she was harmed but it is very possible. she may be in hiding or maybe she had an accident somewhere. regardless I think to think only of himself and his own assets in this situation is dubious at best no matter how much they were fighting. he doesn't know if she is ok or not and as the mother of his children I would think that would worry him and he would ask for help in finding her. we do not know if she took his "jewelry" either- most men really do not have a lot of jewelry to be honest- I wouldn't be surprised if by his and his families, he means jewelry that was passed on to her. as for his saying she thought she was being followed by someone- who knows! if she said that maybe she was being followed or watched?? "just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not following me." -bumper sticker

 

[hollyblue]

Per the FB page her siblings are staying with the neighbor that has been mentioned in the MSM. What a nice thing for her to open her house to them and they are allowed to be so close to GP's children.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring...-Gail-Home-Now/210209109009469?closeTheater=1