TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren,44, Signal Mountain, 30 April, 2011 - #11

[believe09]

:twocents:IMHO ~ I believe the ONLY people that believe Gail "Just took off" are MP, his family & friends HE has managed to convince ("snow into thinking"):waitasec: that Gail just took off and abandoned him (MP) and her two wonderful children. That is the story MP has fed to ev1 who will listen, including the MEDIA and Law Enforcement since the beginning ... May 2, 2011 (the day MP had to begin his story) ... the day the Missing Person report was finally filed with the Signal Mountain Police Department Monday, May 2, 2011, MP was FORCED to fill out a "Missing Persons Report" on his wife ... and this was done ONLY after the STRONG urging & outright INSISTENCE of Gail's sister DN and Gail's friend AD. It is my FIRM BELIEF that, left to his own devices ... MP would have POSTPONED the actual filing of any Missing Persons report on GAIL PALMGREN, as long as he could get away with it ...:maddening: He may NEVER have filed one out,:sick: UNLESS others close to Gail insisted. That insistence came from people who actually loved and/or cared a great deal more for Gail than her <modsnip> husband (Matt P) did. Thank God for sisters & best friends!!!:innocent:

DN filed one of her own, IIRC.

 

[Oriah]

How do you know this is true?

I am always surprised to see these sort of statements (not just in Gail's case, but so many others as well.)

LE isn't online notifying- or at least, they better not be.

So unless someone knows for a fact that they personally have/have not been interviewed by LE... there is no way of knowing this.

 

[believe09]

Just a reminder-the discussion thread was reopened as a no rumor thread. Just the facts please so there are no repeats of the discussion threads we have that went off track.

LE Bashing is also not permitted, and letter writing campaigns are not permitted unless Tricia or SoSueMe approve.

 

[stilettos]

Not only isn't he allowing the children to speak to LE, he, his mother and the girlfriend ALL lawyered up almost immediately and are not talking to LE either..
I would hate to think I disappeared without a trace and my mother-n-law would lawyer up and wouldn't come forward and cooperate with LE in any way she could to help find out what happened to me....JMHOOTS..

I would like to think the same...about everyone in my family. BUT, WS has enlightened me to the ways and behavior in the world today. The only person's response in this kind of situation that I can be sure of is my own.

 

[Annie_61]

There has been one statement from the LE re Gail&#8217;s disappearance that has bothered me no end&#8230;&#8221;No sign of foul play&#8221;
After having spent some time going back over MSM articles I find it rather ironical that we have seen a statement from LE saying there is no sign of foul play, now I am no detective or LE but I would have thought you might actually have to go look for such signs.
I haven&#8217;t seen too many cases where the criminal after committing a crime puts up a sign saying &#8220;crime happened here&#8221;. In my limited knowledge of crime I thought that most of the time the person committing a crime actually tried to hide any evidence of the crime.
Until I actually hear some real searching has been done I don&#8217;t find the statement &#8220;no sign of foul play&#8221; to be very factual.
I am not bashing the LE it is an observation regarding how little searching has been done looking for evidence of foul play and is just my opinion. (just seen your post believe09 before I went to post this)

 

[believe09]

What makes everyone think that LE has not been looking for signs of foul play? And based upon what I have seen reported in the media, there dont appear to be any.

LE wants to solve this case. SMPD, HCSO, TBI and FBI want to solve it. No one is sitting on their hands, I firmly believe that.

Her disappearance may be suspicious, but the general belief that MP is involved clearly doesnt have much in the way of hard evidence or he would have been charged with something.

And I feel for LE, because any hard evidence they may have had is compromised.

 

[believe09]

I dont know whether or not there is enough evidence of any scenario, but what may point to Gail having run off?

She hasnt been found, the Jeep hasnt been found, she could have more than one DL, if she gave money to others to hold she may have given money to someone else to hold, she hasnt contacted anyone because when you find out you are the subject of this much media it can be intimidating to return.

My first thought when MP filed for his temp order is that she would find it impossible to return now after what he said and implied about her.

Her most private thoughts and medical history appear to have been data dumped into the press-I can only speak for me but I would be humiliated. Completely humiliated. It isnt as if she wasnt humiliated already given the state of her marriage.

:twocents:

 

[cocomod]

The thing that bothers me the most about this case is the similarity between this case and Susan Powell's case. A husband that is not concerned What.So.Ever about his wife missing. A husband that begins almost immediately to bash his missing wife in the public. LE that missing key opportunities to investigate. Stories that just do not add up. A failing marriage... So very sad!! Praying for Gail!

 

[Oriah]

I dont know whether or not there is enough evidence of any scenario, but what may point to Gail having run off?

She hasnt been found, the Jeep hasnt been found, she could have more than one DL, if she gave money to others to hold she may have given money to someone else to hold, she hasnt contacted anyone because when you find out you are the subject of this much media it can be intimidating to return.

My first thought when MP filed for his temp order is that she would find it impossible to return now after what he said and implied about her.

Her most private thoughts and medical history appear to have been data dumped into the press-I can only speak for me but I would be humiliated. Completely humiliated. It isnt as if she wasnt humiliated already given the state of her marriage.

:twocents:

I both wish for- and at the same time, fear- this scenario, believe09.

Wish, because it means Gail may be alive and able to return to her loved ones safely.

Fear- because what suffering that would mean she must be enduring.

I hope she knows that if she left of her on volition, she can feel the love and support of all of those who care about her and will do nothing except help her should she choose to return.

 

[Annie_61]

I dont know whether or not there is enough evidence of any scenario, but what may point to Gail having run off?

She hasnt been found, the Jeep hasnt been found, she could have more than one DL, if she gave money to others to hold she may have given money to someone else to hold, she hasnt contacted anyone because when you find out you are the subject of this much media it can be intimidating to return.

My first thought when MP filed for his temp order is that she would find it impossible to return now after what he said and implied about her.

Her most private thoughts and medical history appear to have been data dumped into the press-I can only speak for me but I would be humiliated. Completely humiliated. It isnt as if she wasnt humiliated already given the state of her marriage.

:twocents:

I see what you are saying believe09, I guess the thing about that scenario that makes me sad, is it makes Gail sound like a weak, self-centred woman who has decided not to return to her two children due to being worried about what people are saying. She would have to choose to let her children suffer great pain not knowing where she is rather than face some humiliation. It also would indicate that someone else who she gave money to must have handed it over to her and hasn’t come forward to say she was alright…again someone so selfish to let the children suffer such great pain as a missing mother. (I know this is not what you are saying about Gail, it is just how others can see it)

Another sad thing about this scenario is also how low would she be feeling not to be able to at least reach out to one of those who she turned to in weeks/days before she left. We can only hope that if this scenario is right Gail knows she has people who love her and will be there for her no matter what.

The positive part of that scenario is at least she would be alive and that would be the perfect answer to this case. Let’s hope in time that the answers will be revelled and her loved ones will have the answer to where is Gail.

Let’s hope if there is anyone out there that could provide enough hard evidence that Gail has left on her own volition they will at least let someone know even just for the children’s sake.

I can only speak for myself here as well but no media stories would keep me from going back and fighting tooth and nail to keep the kids and anything else I was entitled to. Especially if I had enough evidence that the man was cheating on me, be damned if I would let anything he said humiliate me enough to keep me away from my children. But that is just me.:twocents:

 

[BeanE]

I see what you are saying believe09, I guess the thing about that scenario that makes me sad, is it makes Gail sound like a weak, self-centred woman who has decided not to return to her two children due to being worried about what people are saying. She would have to choose to let her children suffer great pain not knowing where she is rather than face some humiliation. It also would indicate that someone else who she gave money to must have handed it over to her and hasn’t come forward to say she was alright…again someone so selfish to let the children suffer such great pain as a missing mother. (I know this is not what you are saying about Gail, it is just how others can see it)

Another sad thing about this scenario is also how low would she be feeling not to be able to at least reach out to one of those who she turned to in weeks/days before she left. We can only hope that if this scenario is right Gail knows she has people who love her and will be there for her no matter what.

The positive part of that scenario is at least she would be alive and that would be the perfect answer to this case. Let’s hope in time that the answers will be revelled and her loved ones will have the answer to where is Gail.

Let’s hope if there is anyone out there that could provide enough hard evidence that Gail has left on her own volition they will at least let someone know even just for the children’s sake.

I can only speak for myself here as well but no media stories would keep me from going back and fighting tooth and nail to keep the kids and anything else I was entitled to. Especially if I had enough evidence that the man was cheating on me, be damned if I would let anything he said humiliate me enough to keep me away from my children. But that is just me.:twocents:

BBM. IMO, this is the sort of thing that, if Gail is out there, and sees things like that posted on the internet, she may not contact anyone, because she fears that people think badly of her.

It would be great to have a page somewhere that has messages to Gail - positive messages from people who want to let Gail know that they love her, care about her, and don't think ill of her.

Gail went to extraordinary lengths the day she disappeared to ensure that her children would be taken care of. That tells me, without a doubt, that Gail loves and cares about her children, and is a good mother.

Sometimes women become overwhelmed, and make difficult decisions, difficult choices. That doesn't make them bad people or bad mothers - it makes them human.

My opinion.

 

[Annie_61]

BBM. IMO, this is the sort of thing that, if Gail is out there, and sees things like that posted on the internet, she may not contact anyone, because she fears that people think badly of her.

It would be great to have a page somewhere that has messages to Gail - positive messages from people who want to let Gail know that they love her, care about her, and don't think ill of her.

Gail went to extraordinary lengths the day she disappeared to ensure that her children would be taken care of. That tells me, without a doubt, that Gail loves and cares about her children, and is a good mother.

Sometimes women become overwhelmed, and make difficult decisions, difficult choices. That doesn't make them bad people or bad mothers - it makes them human.

My opinion.

Was what I was saying about the first post, people read that and could think that. Just pointing out how anything posted here can be read and taken the wrong way. Why any scenario that is posted here could be read by her and taken the wrong way by her.

 

[Oriah]

BBM. IMO, this is the sort of thing that, if Gail is out there, and sees things like that posted on the internet, she may not contact anyone, because she fears that people think badly of her.

It would be great to have a page somewhere that has messages to Gail - positive messages from people who want to let Gail know that they love her, care about her, and don't think ill of her.

Gail went to extraordinary lengths the day she disappeared to ensure that her children would be taken care of. That tells me, without a doubt, that Gail loves and cares about her children, and is a good mother.

Sometimes women become overwhelmed, and make difficult decisions, difficult choices. That doesn't make them bad people or bad mothers - it makes them human.

My opinion.

I agree, BeanE.

How could it ever hurt to have such a place?
Go for it, my internet-guru-friend!

 

[Emeralgem]

I see what you are saying believe09, I guess the thing about that scenario that makes me sad, is it makes Gail sound like a weak, self-centred woman who has decided not to return to her two children due to being worried about what people are saying. She would have to choose to let her children suffer great pain not knowing where she is rather than face some humiliation. It also would indicate that someone else who she gave money to must have handed it over to her and hasn’t come forward to say she was alright…again someone so selfish to let the children suffer such great pain as a missing mother. (I know this is not what you are saying about Gail, it is just how others can see it)

Another sad thing about this scenario is also how low would she be feeling not to be able to at least reach out to one of those who she turned to in weeks/days before she left. We can only hope that if this scenario is right Gail knows she has people who love her and will be there for her no matter what.

The positive part of that scenario is at least she would be alive and that would be the perfect answer to this case. Let’s hope in time that the answers will be revelled and her loved ones will have the answer to where is Gail.

Let’s hope if there is anyone out there that could provide enough hard evidence that Gail has left on her own volition they will at least let someone know even just for the children’s sake.

I can only speak for myself here as well but no media stories would keep me from going back and fighting tooth and nail to keep the kids and anything else I was entitled to. Especially if I had enough evidence that the man was cheating on me, be damned if I would let anything he said humiliate me enough to keep me away from my children. But that is just me.:twocents:

BBM... Anything he said about me wouldn't keep me away from my children either... What Other People Think of Me is None of My Business..


ETA..My husband having an affair with a co-worker and losing his job due to the fact he made a decision to be dishonest is his humilation too, not mine...JMHO

IMHO.. Seems to me MP has joined ranks with some other undesirable sociopathic men who have, thus far, managed to have their wives "ERASED".....

JMHOOTS.

 

[McSpy]

I dont know whether or not there is enough evidence of any scenario, but what may point to Gail having run off?

She hasnt been found, the Jeep hasnt been found, she could have more than one DL, if she gave money to others to hold she may have given money to someone else to hold, she hasnt contacted anyone because when you find out you are the subject of this much media it can be intimidating to return.

My first thought when MP filed for his temp order is that she would find it impossible to return now after what he said and implied about her.

Her most private thoughts and medical history appear to have been data dumped into the press-I can only speak for me but I would be humiliated. Completely humiliated. It isnt as if she wasnt humiliated already given the state of her marriage.

:twocents:

I've entertained this idea too. A few years ago, a woman in my area disappeared. There was an extensive ground search (there are a lot of woods near her home) and local media coverage. Her disappearance was headline news. After a few days, someone found her in the family's backyard shed----hiding. Apparently, she didn't think her husband and children appreciated her, so she went missing for awhile. Needless to say, it was embarrassing for her, and the town and the taxpayers were angry at the cost of the search. There was talk of billing her and pressing charges, but I think that idea was dropped. IIRC, LE decided to use the experience as a training exercise.

 

[BeanE]

Just pointing out how anything posted here can be read and taken the wrong way. Why any scenario that is posted here could be read by her and taken the wrong way by her.

And that's exactly what I was doing too, Annie.

I cringe every time I read "Gail's a good mother. She would never leave her children like that." or "Gail loves her children. She would never leave her children like that.".

I worry that if Gail is out there, she will think, "Oh wow. They're going to think I'm a bad mother and I don't love my kids!", and then not contact anyone because of that fear.

The fact is, that Gail took great care that day to ensure her children were taken care of, even calling LE to gain their help in getting Matt their as soon as possible, so the kids wouldn't be alone for more than a few minutes.

That's a good mother, a caring mother, a mother who loves her children.

Sometimes good mothers who care about their children and love them get overwhelmed and make difficult decisions and choices. What counts, what determines if they're a good and caring and responsible mother (or father for that matter), is not simply whether they left their children at all, but if they did leave, it's *how* they left.

If they made responsible arrangements for their children's care, they are good parents. That's what we want moms and dads who are overwhelmed to do if they decide to leave their children - we want them to make good, responsible arrangements for their child's care, just like Gail did. We need to spread that message.

Just my opinion, but this is something I feel very strongly about, and I needed to say my piece.

I'm done now. I think.

 

[Emeralgem]

We have a husband who was/is having an affair, spending nights in local hotels to be with the girlfriend, going out of town with the girlfriend on company time and dime, losing his job because of his actions..Spending money like there is no tomorrow....A big lump sum of of it being his wife's money too...

Right now I'm trying to wrap my mind around WHY someone would think ill of Gail?

JMHO

 

[stilettos]

In order for the info to be included in the court filings...MP had to allege those things to his attorney and the attorney put it in the filings. That is MP speaking. Is this man, the Father of GP's children looking for her or her auto...is he frantically putting up missing posters to help find the Mother of his children...one would think that for the children's sake and to prevent them further pain..a caring, loving Father would do all in his power to see that the Mother of his children was found and returned to them...for the children's sake of course. MO, that is what loving Fathers do. Not lawyer up and get attorney's for his paramour and Mother.

 

[BeanE]

Right now I'm trying to wrap my mind around WHY someone would think ill of Gail?

JMHO

They shouldn't, in my opinion, no matter what happened. I'm talking about the implication of some things that are said, or how Gail may perceive them, explained further in my post here:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7137607&postcount=377"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TN TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren,44, Signal Mountain, 30 April, 2011 - #11[/ame]


I hope that explains my thoughts.

 

[sreshowtime]

I too wondered about the 40K money missing, or whatever amount it was...if indeed it was. Maybe, just maybe GP had a plan no one was aware of and left.We don't know what she did or did not tell her children that last day. Maybe she thought life in general would be less stressful for the children this way. Based on what some have alluded to, I can almost envision what a , ahh, drama a divorce, and futher visitations might have turned out to be...
I know, grasping at the thought of wonderful if she is indeed alive. I could almost see myself carrying out a plan to disappear in warranted.