TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren, 44, Signal Mountain, 30 April 2011 - #6

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Pearl* said:
I'm wondering what part of the temporary order is bothering him so much though. The parts that would reasonably bother him could just as easily be heard July 11, IMO. I think most if not all the provisions would be consistent with what a loving dad would do anyway.

Unless he's a modsnip missing his frequent $400 withdrawals.
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Another thought. Maybe her siblings/lawyers were trying to gather statements from others before presenting?
 
BeanE said:
Well I'm personally thinking it's $$ that's bothering him, more than the stuff related to the kids. I had the $20k and $400 $$ related reports in mind.
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$40K BeanE-----he came back for a second helping!
 
http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/14997857/sheriffs-office-requests-evidence-in-palmgren-case

Police request evidence two months into missing woman case


CHATTANOOGA (WRCB) - A friend of missing Signal Mountain mother Gail Palmgren says authorities want her to turn over evidence in the case.

Arlene Durham, who saw Gail the day before she went missing, says Hamilton County investigators called her Wednesday demanding a hard drive taken from the Palmgren's lake house in Alabama.

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Maybe Matt could have his PI to deliver the subpoena? snark.........
 
fran said:
http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/14997857/sheriffs-office-requests-evidence-in-palmgren-case

Police request evidence two months into missing woman case


CHATTANOOGA (WRCB) - A friend of missing Signal Mountain mother Gail Palmgren says authorities want her to turn over evidence in the case.

Arlene Durham, who saw Gail the day before she went missing, says Hamilton County investigators called her Wednesday demanding a hard drive taken from the Palmgren's lake house in Alabama.

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Interesting - what Arlene doesn't say is whether Best Buy was able to retrieve the data on the erased hard drive. But there must be something on there for AD to be so protective.

Eventually she's going to have to trust someone to handle Gail's case. This can't go on forever.
 
So here is the thing that bothers me.
What happened to Matt's retirement accounts that it is necessary to access gail's retirement accounts?
I cannot imagine any scenario where he would not have been accumulating retirement funds also. But since he was accessing Gail's funds, the implication is he doesn't have any other funds to access.
 
JBean said:
So here is the thing that bothers me.
What happened to Matt's retirement accounts that it is necessary to access gail's retirement accounts?
I cannot imagine any scenario where he would not have been accumulating retirement funds also. But since he was accessing Gail's funds, the implication is he doesn't have any other funds to access.
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He was going through GP's retirement at $20K in three weeks, just imagine what he's done with his.

JMHO
fran
 
ThoughtFox said:
Interesting - what Arlene doesn't say is whether Best Buy was able to retrieve the data on the erased hard drive. But there must be something on there for AD to be so protective.

Eventually she's going to have to trust someone to handle Gail's case. This can't go on forever.
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IF I were AD, I would have already taken that harddrive and had it copied. She can't afford to let it go without proof of what's on it.

I just got done following a case where a computer expert type guy, (it was his J O B), thought he'd erased certain evidence from his own computer. Too bad for him the FBI computer expert was a bit more in the know than he. His attorney was upset during the trial, because the FBI was able to withhold their method during court testimony. The FBI didn't want to tell everyone their secret!

IMHO, if someone thought they'd know more than most of how to delete stuff from their computer, they're no match for the FBI! Maybe someone is sweating it right about now!

JMHO
fran
 
JBean said:
So here is the thing that bothers me.
What happened to Matt's retirement accounts that it is necessary to access gail's retirement accounts?
I cannot imagine any scenario where he would not have been accumulating retirement funds also. But since he was accessing Gail's funds, the implication is he doesn't have any other funds to access.
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I think he did have retirement funds, but didn't want to touch them.

My theory is that since Gail had lost her job and received a settlement, her funds were released into bank accounts, while he would have to pay a penalty to access his if he has a 401K or something like that.

He must have explained it to Gail that way in order to convince her to give him the money.

Maybe she thought he was using it for an investment or some home or car repair, then discovered that he was cheating, so her warning bells finally went off. Once she began to watch more closely, she realized he was taking out money every few days.
 
fireflylink said:
Pearl,
Yes, his role has evolved over the past weeks, mostly out of necessity due to AD being in AL, and DN having had to resume her responsibilities. From the onset of GP's disappearance there was a clear need for a local "anchor" and coordinator. He undertook this with sincere determination and a driven focus which allowed DN and AD to focus their energies on getting out the word of GP's disappearance. With very limited resources or knowledge of the local community being available to DN & AD, he was able to use his local contacts to help coordinate the initial private searches and bring community resources together. For those not familiar with Signal Mountain, geography detaches the community from hotel facilities and very limited options for dining. DN & AD were at the mercy of GP's very caring friends who gave them a temporary home while they were here. Basically, those that were involved from the start pitched in however they could.

Although I can give you my perspective on his relationship with LE, that of course is strictly my own observations, I suppose only LE could give an official accounting. I do know that he is in frequent contact with LE, and that communications go both ways. I am certain that he is provided with parameters with regards to the information exchanged and other activities related to the disappearance. These parameters are adhered to also, when interacting with volunteers or the media. HCSO does have their own information officer and releases information on all of their cases as time permits regarding their many investigations.

I don't feel that I can state that HCSO sees him as an "official liaison", that would tend to imply a level of authority bestowed upon someone under the direct supervision of the department. However, he is coordinating his volunteer liaison-type efforts directly with the investigators on behalf of GP's investigation at the local level, and with accountability to them, much the same as DN would be if she were available locally. Also, in my own personal interaction with LE regarding this investigation, I have understood from LE that his assistance has been appreciated and his passion for this to be resolved acknowledged and not fleeting. Let me add, that he by no means intends to imply that he is speaking for the family, he respects their wishes and ability to do so as they deem necessary. (that comes up occasionally)

Let me add a personal note here. Prior to GP's disappearance, I did not know him, AD, CB, DN or GP. GP's disappearance touched me with many parallels to my own life, and of a loved ones. Due those past experiences, I tend to sit back and "safely evaluate" certain circumstances and make a conscious effort to be objective. That being said, please bear with me as I share my own observations and personal opinions regarding AD, CB, and DN.

Through all of this I have found that AD is a dedicated, loyal pit-bull of a friend type person who I would nominate in a second to make sure I was found if I were to go missing. Others close to this have told me the very same thing, unwaveringly. I have never encountered anything but honesty and credibility with AD, never a shred of exaggeration. She has been bullied, bashed and threatened. Yet she unwaveringly stands back up, and doesn't let anyone deter her from promises made to a best friend. Some may question her methods at times, but her tenacity speaks volumes. IMO, GP knew who she was picking for the job she entrusted to AD. She sticks by the people in her world.

I can only speculate what has been going on with DN, it is now fact that she and her brother are focusing on the priority after so many weeks, protecting the children and preserving GP's interests for the children (or for GP should she be located and return). IMO, the family is concentrating on the only available opportunity to preserve what is left of a tragic situation, at this point anyway. They have to be more angry, confused and frustrated than any of us could ever imagine, and being so far away, to boot. IMO, if GP's family did not want the continued assistance I am certain they would ask us here, and others to stop. I can only speculate that they have chosen as time has gone by to focus on what they CAN do now, knowing that others here and elsewhere are doing what they are not able to. The same mission, just different tasks and paths.

What to say about CB? IMO, I can say that this is a man who truly believes in looking out for one another, in a community that cares for each other young or old, and does not let a persons status or address affect his opinion. I feel that he imparts his English culture and upbringing in everything he does, and stands passionately for what SHOULD be right in the world today. In an incredibly frustrating situation, he remains the sole local advocate for GP and the children and is determined to see resolution for GP's family. He works tirelessly without complaint, is there for any of the locals, volunteers and LE. CB stands by his values and expects others to do the same. He has never given me cause to doubt his integrity, and his focus and goals remain steadfast despite the virtual tornado he is sitting in. His goal is resolution to GP's disappearance. No matter what has to be done, he makes sure it gets done, pushes for awareness, researches, keeps the media in the loop, shares with LE, and follows up to make sure it was done properly.

I'm sorry, I REALLY did not expect this reply to be so lengthy :) I just hope this has clarified things for you, and that you have more of an idea how things are functioning here.
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Perfectly said, Fireflylink. Thank you. Being a local myself and having been in contact with Clive, your description of him is as I find him to be. Truly a caring person with no personal agenda.
 
JBean said:
So here is the thing that bothers me.
What happened to Matt's retirement accounts that it is necessary to access gail's retirement accounts?
I cannot imagine any scenario where he would not have been accumulating retirement funds also. But since he was accessing Gail's funds, the implication is he doesn't have any other funds to access.
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When this all started, it was in the news or somewhere, that there were two large accounts, one for $320K and one for $100K. This is just a guess, on my part, but I wouldn't doubt if the $100K is the couple's possible regular joint savings type thing. You know like they say keep 6 months of living expenses accessable in case of an emergency?

IMHO, the $320K was PERHAPS GP's retirement 401K. It seems that may be where MP was having her take the $$ out of for the $40K GP turned over to him.

As MP changed jobs in the last few years, it's possible that when his 401K from his previous employment rolled over he either spent it, or it's in investments that he can't access on a regular basis. It seemed to me, anyway, he wanted to use GP's 401K like an atm machine.

JMHO
fran
 
JBean said:
So here is the thing that bothers me.
What happened to Matt's retirement accounts that it is necessary to access gail's retirement accounts?
I cannot imagine any scenario where he would not have been accumulating retirement funds also. But since he was accessing Gail's funds, the implication is he doesn't have any other funds to access.
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This whole bit about accessing the retirement funds has bothered me from the beginning. They are both younger than the required age and would have to be their last resort in funds, imo. Unless someone got their meanings of funds mix up or misunderstood altogether. ??
 
This is why money is always called the "root of all evil" or "filthy lucre."

Greed can make people crazy, or make them walk all over other people. A sense of entitlement can make people rationalize their bad behavior, too.

To the outside world, this family appeared to have everything, including plenty of money. But you look below the surface, and the money was becoming a problem and a symptom of all the other problems. :(
 
calliestarnes Callie Starnes
by WRCBPalmgren
David (sp - must mean Davis) says he was in process of having Matthew Palmgren & 2 kids give DNA samples when learned of order & had to break away. #missingmom
 
calliestarnes Callie Starnes
by WRCBPalmgren
Davis referring to local media coverage. Says Palmgren kids are in counseling. "These are private matters." #missingmom

Lee Davis basically says opposing attorneys didn't do their homework before filing order. "A phone call would have gone a long way."
 
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