TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #22

[concentric]

Thanks CHARLISA for understanding what I'm trying to say here. IMO some of these killers take "pointers" from previous abductions. For example, Rader (BTK) had a book on serial killer cases in his shed that he studied. And, no, I'm not presupposing that the abductor in this case is a serial killer, only that he seems to be studied on how to abduct someone.

 

[concentric]

IMO, Let's all think about the moms who have had their children taken from them.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I guess they are there to offer the views of those who would be investigators, otherwise their appearance on these shows would be pointless. So acting as those who would be looking into a crime, they offer questions and views that seem relevant to them.

I agree with you. I just personally feel that making it sound as if there must be something wrong if Holly's family doesn't speak out or there must be something up with CB because he didn't run out to rescue Holly, is just exploitative. But, we all definitely have our own opinions on this and I respect yours as well.

 

[CHARLISA]

Thanks CHARLISA for understanding what I'm trying to say here. IMO some of these killers take "pointers" from previous abductions. For example, Rader (BTK) had a book on serial killer cases in his shed that he studied. And, no, I'm not presupposing that the abductor in this case is a serial killer, only that he seems to be studied on how to abduct someone.

IMO the person who took Holly has a record. Might be B&Es, speeding, arson or abusing animals, but he has a record. I think he is a narcissist and has attempted or done this before. This was done too well to be the first time IMO. I don't think this was random, it was planned.

Poor Karen. This is all tragic enough, but to have to endure it on Mother's Day is horrendous.

 

[Snowbunny]

Geraldo Riveria and Mark Furman, along with John Waush, gave us insight or another perspective on this case. They raised some valid questions and gave us a different way to look at this case from their experences. I would prefer to look at this case from all avenues rather not just one. I don't want to be narrow-minded. LE will also look at this case from all angles, not just one.

 

[maskedwoman]

Yes...but it's not that far of a drive, and if someone wanted to get a body to disappear, Nashville is a pretty good place. I'm not saying this happened, and God knows I don't want it to happen, but in doing this, a perp closer to Decatur county could cast less doubt on themselves, if they were so inclined.

Very true. I was looking at it more from the stand point of whether a body put into the water in Decatur County could end up in Nashville on its own. And I'm very confident the answer to that one is no.

But, you're quite right. Anyone bold enough to kidnap someone from their own driveway probably wouldn't be too timid to drive 2 hours Northeast to dump a body.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Very true. I was looking at it more from the stand point of whether a body put into the water in Decatur County could end up in Nashville on its own. And I'm very confident the answer to that one is no.

But, you're quite right. Anyone bold enough to kidnap someone from their own driveway probably wouldn't be too timid to drive 2 hours Northeast to dump a body.

I guess that one never knows what another will do, but with a person that is either self-employed or unemployed, it would be very easy to drive around doing whatever they wanted to. Especially if someone is from the area (and I consider Nashville "the area") that they might know all kinds of places up here that would be remote enough to dump a body. After all, they find at least one body a year (and often more) here in Nashville from the Cumberland River.

 

[Snowbunny]

I guess that one never knows what another will do, but with a person that is either self-employed or unemployed, it would be very easy to drive around doing whatever they wanted to. Especially if someone is from the area (and I consider Nashville "the area") that they might know all kinds of places up here that would be remote enough to dump a body. After all, they find at least one body a year (and often more) here in Nashville from the Cumberland River.

I can tell you from living down there for 4 years there are so many places one could do a dirty deed and never get caught. There are so many backroads and off shoots from those roads and off shoots of those roads out in them woods down there. It doesn't take much to get lost in TN and not know where your at.

 

[CHARLISA]

I guess that one never knows what another will do, but with a person that is either self-employed or unemployed, it would be very easy to drive around doing whatever they wanted to. Especially if someone is from the area (and I consider Nashville "the area") that they might know all kinds of places up here that would be remote enough to dump a body. After all, they find at least one body a year (and often more) here in Nashville from the Cumberland River.

Also, by dumping bodies in water, it can destroy some of the DNA evidence.

 

[cluciano63]

A bit OT and just my rambling.... how many times on ID shows have we seen a family try to report a missing child or person, only to get the old, "sorry , we have to wait 48 hours before we can take your missing person report"...
At times, I find it so frustrating, I blurt out, "darn it, too bad they can't just tell LE they saw someone take their daughter (or whomever) - that would get LE moving!"
Of course, I do not really advocate doing this since it would be illegal, and could actually cause more harm then good...
So now we have a case where someone 'actually' does see the victim being abducted.... and much to my chagrin, the case seems to move no faster....

True, even with a quick response by LE, the abductor had time to get far far away, apparently...or far enough. Not having a vehicle description really hurt this case, people are generally somewhat better at describing cars, it seems, than people.

It is odd and sad that bodies of other people seem to start turning up at a certain point in so many missing persons cases. I don't think The body in the river is Holly; seems like rumors would have come out by now, if not an actual ID. But also remembering the little boys who drowned in New Orleans 2 weeks ago, they were only missing a few days and were unrecognizable when found, so for the report to say the body appeared to have been in the water "for some time" doesn't really mean much.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I can tell you from living down there for 4 years there are so many places one could do a dirty deed and never get caught. There are so many backroads and off shoots from those roads and off shoots of those roads out in them woods down there. It doesn't take much to get lost in TN and not know where your at.

I second this! Just look at the other missing woman we have here currently - Shelley Mook. We thought for sure that she would be found by now. This state is beyond lush with forests and woods.

 

[maskedwoman]

Just thinking outside the box, I realized something yesterday. When my daughter came home, the front and back door were both wide open, screens in the storm door, and we never heard a thing. I know TBI has stated very confidently that she went into the woods with her abductor but, unless Clint actually saw her enter the woods, I don't know that anyone can be sure that's the case. I wonder if you could drive up to the Bobo's house without being heard from inside. Especially if they had their air on, I'd say there's a better than even chance that you could.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Just thinking outside the box, I realized something yesterday. When my daughter came home, the front and back door were both wide open, screens in the storm door, and we never heard a thing. I know TBI has stated very confidently that she went into the woods with her abductor but, unless Clint actually saw her enter the woods, I don't know that anyone can be sure that's the case. I wonder if you could drive up to the Bobo's house without being heard from inside. Especially if they had their air on, I'd say there's a better than even chance that you could.

Yeah, I thought that as well. But looking at the house, I would think that it would be more likely that a person wouldn't chance driving up that long driveway. But, you never know what that person would do.

I think it would be more likely that there might have been an open path (or at least somewhat of one) and the guy took her into that and picked her up and carried her to a vehicle on the other side.

 

[liljim]

what the neighbor saw or heard is still very much unknown imo, and what clint saw we have heard very little about, and what little we have heard has changed slighty (or not so slightly ymmv) a couple of times.

so i dont think we really know much at all about the specifics surrounding this abduction. we dont know if they ever entered the woods for sure. we dont know who was bleeding or even if that blood is related to the case. we dont know if a car was used, or if an ATV was used.

we do know that several items that holly would reportedly have had on her that morning have been found strewn around various locations.

i wish someone that has been following this longer than i have could make a list of what is fact in this case, i think it is an extremely short list.

for example - we do know that holly's brother claims to have seen holly and a man in camoflage headed towards/into the woods. we know that he also made a 911 call but we dont know what he said. we also know that he reported seeing blood on the ground on their property, and that LE has tested that blood and has the results back

we know that a "lunch bag" believed to be holly's was found and we know the location that it was found at. we know that one other item of significance was found but know nothing more about that item.

what else do we KNOW?

 

[cluciano63]

what the neighbor saw or heard is still very much unknown imo, and what clint saw we have heard very little about, and what little we have heard has changed slighty (or not so slightly ymmv) a couple of times.

so i dont think we really know much at all about the specifics surrounding this abduction. we dont know if they ever entered the woods for sure. we dont know who was bleeding or even if that blood is related to the case. we dont know if a car was used, or if an ATV was used.

we do know that several items that holly would reportedly have had on her that morning have been found strewn around various locations.

i wish someone that has been following this longer than i have could make a list of what is fact in this case, i think it is an extremely short list.

for example - we do know that holly's brother claims to have seen holly and a man in camoflage headed towards/into the woods. we know that he also made a 911 call but we dont know what he said. we also know that he reported seeing blood on the ground on their property, and that LE has tested that blood and has the results back

we know that a "lunch bag" believed to be holly's was found and we know the location that it was found at. we know that one other item of significance was found but know nothing more about that item.

what else do we KNOW?

I think you have pretty well covered it; the only known item found that is Holly's is the lunch bag...the item they have not disclosed it believed to be Holly's but I am not sure if it was ever confirmed.

Other items have been found but not announced if any are Holly's. And no list of items has been issued as far as what she is known to have had that day.

 

[maskedwoman]

Yeah, I thought that as well. But looking at the house, I would think that it would be more likely that a person wouldn't chance driving up that long driveway. But, you never know what that person would do.

I think it would be more likely that there might have been an open path (or at least somewhat of one) and the guy took her into that and picked her up and carried her to a vehicle on the other side.

One thing (of many) we still don't know is if Clint is normally home at that time or if she was "supposed" to be home alone. If this were planned and Clint is not normally home, I think there are more possibilities. Hubby and I were home one weekday and someone drove up our driveway to rob us. Hubby walked outside to smoke and in a minute, he saw a car flying down the driveway.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Will someone correct me if I'm wrong.. Inbeing reminded of the lunchbox being found 8miles from the home.. That has been confirmed as Holly's lunchbox, correct?? I, too like to keep confirmed facts separate from anything else known, or thought to be known in the case.

But IIRC correctly not only was lunchbox confirmed as Hollys but that the lunch her mom had prepared and packed for her that very morning was still found inside the lunchbox. Is this correct??
TIA!!

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Will someone correct me if I'm wrong.. Inbeing reminded of the lunchbox being found 8miles from the home.. That has been confirmed as Holly's lunchbox, correct?? I, too like to keep confirmed facts separate from anything else known, or thought to be known in the case.

But IIRC correctly not only was lunchbox confirmed as Hollys but that the lunch her mom had prepared and packed for her that very morning was still found inside the lunchbox. Is this correct??
TIA!!

Yes its her lunch BAG not box. And her mom had apparently fixed her lunch which was found inside the bag.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Do we have anymore info or news yet on the body recovered from Cumberland River in Nashville?? I will not feel at was until we know it's not Holly( tho as someone mentioned even if not Holly still this person found is someone's child, mother, sister, brother, etc and makes the loss of life not a bit less for their family and loved ones on this Mothers Day)..

But back to the possibility of it being Holly and that the perp wouldve had to drive a couple hours to dump.. ITA with norest4thewicked's thoughts on Nashville IMO BEING CONSIDERED PART of the area. I feel that the distance east to Nashville as well as the distance west to Memphis are both not huge or great amounts of distance when speaking of a small, rural town especially. Nashville and Memphis both would be the nearest big cities with alot of ppl from Darden area and others traveling to either of the cities quite frequently for things such as shopping, dr visits when a specialist is needed, as well as for weekend entertainment. Being from Memphis these distances are not considered great in the very least bit and with hubby being trainmaster for RR here in Memphis he has about 20% of his crew workmen that live in areas in and around Parsons with some living even further east of Parsons.. And these men commute back and forth by both car and train on daily basis for their jobs and have for many many many years..

So I definitely agree that to travel the distance to Nashville to dispose of a body is nothing anyone in these areas would think twice about doing(as in no big deal whatsoever)..

But do we have more info yet on the body? Am not home yet and posting via mobile(yuk yuk) so not able to google around and look as easily at this moment.

TIA TO ANYONE WHO KNOWS

 

[SmoothOperator]

Thanks for the pointing out that it was a BAG.. I, personally am very well aware of exactly what type lunch container was found. But just as many of us do, I too have just always called all the lunch containers.. A lunchbox..so, good to point this specific out for those who maybe are not aware that the lunch container was Indeed a BAG AND NOT A BOX as many of us call it..