TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #24

[docwho3]

I think he probably rushed her, put his hand over her
mouth (since Clint heard the dog but not Holly), and threatened her with
the knife, cutting her to emphasize how dangerous he was and to make it
clear that he had no qualms about cutting her again if she didn't comply
with his demand to go into the woods with him.

Very plausible.

Some of the news articles seemed to intimate that the DNA of the blood
might be traced to someone other than Holly.
One news article said that the results of the testing on the blood were in
but that LE would not release that info on whose blood it was
until an arrest was made. Maybe that was just media hyping the thing
but it is what made me think he possibly cut himself a little when abducting her.
This is the type of thing I have read happens in many crimes involving a
knife.

A slashing move might not cause a hand to slip resulting in a cut to the
perps hand but a stabbing or jabbing might more easily cause a hand to
slip forward onto the knife blade.

I am hoping he stepped in the blood and thus left a more readable print.

Note: I am even guessing about a knife having been involved but it is low
tech, quiet (compared to a gun), simple and is something that would not
stand out when carried by a hunter or by someone dressed as a hunter.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I didn;t know Discovery (Channel) had crime news...

http://news.discovery.com/human/holly-bobo-still-missing-rumors-psychics-hurt-search.html

Must not have been a busy day at the news desk for this to appear... its right up there with Bigfoot and UFOs and how to decorate your house for $1000 or less.

 

[Oriah]

Sorry guys, I accidentally posted this in the wrong thread, but it was intended for here:

Also I have a question for any locals- what was the weather like that morning at that specific time? I can look it up and will but would prefer a locals input as well. TIA

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Just curious as to why you think some one who worked in a strip club would be easier to "snatch" than some one that worked in a bank, or a dentist office, or anywhere else for that matter?

Having worked in strip clubs they offer different opportunities for bad people to be alone with attractive women. In some cases the oweners or managers are involved in illegal activities such as prostitution.

How many dental assistants offer private after hours meetings with clients, do bachellor parties, etc?

I am not implying these people are bad or anything at all. But that is part of the business, but not all of it.

A lot of the girls are single or single parents rather than live at home with a big family.

its easier to snatch someone that leaves work and goes home alone at 3am versus stalking a college girl at her house or school

And honestly there is a social double standard that if a dancer or escort or cocktail waitress went missing there would not be as much fuss or worry or interest compared to someone like Holly.

My sister and I were assaulted based on us working in a club. I doubt if we had worked in a dental office or law firm if that would have happend.

Look at all the long island beach victims? someone got them based on their profession/life style and aparently there wasnt too much interest in them as a whole until all of the bodies were found at once and it became a much bigger issue than one girl disappearing here and there.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

FWIW I do not believe Holly was trafficked.

I feel for the family, but I really can't think of anything to discuss on this case, without any new information. Every possible scenario, and in my opinion, some less than plausible ones, seem to have been hashed out. My own opinion is simply that LE is shocked they did not find her quickly and now are kind of stuck. I do not think they have a suspect.

I tend to agree. Its been a long time since the one clue away from solving this case quote... :banghead:

 

[docwho3]

A couple of things puzzle me:

If blood was left behind then someone might have been bleeding so why
was it hard for dogs or LE to follow the trail?
Did they only get a ways into the woods and come upon ATV tracks?

If the perp knew the family routine somewhat as was speculated in some
MSM reports then how did he not know the brother was in the home and
thus not take steps to keep him from interfering?

Did Holly merely stumble on to someone messing around the outside of their home?

 

[Oriah]

If such evidence exists (and I think it may well exist) then it is part of the
ongoing investigation and thus is probably not being released to the public at this time.

A recent quick websearch for 'Holly bobo' and 'footprint' failed to turn up
any article from MSM (Main Stream Media) about footprints in this case.
(I also tried 'Holly bobo' and 'foot print' , adding the space between the word foot and print.)

BBM: I agree. Just my SAR mind working away. :innocent:

 

[SmoothOperator]

Re: perp knowing family's schedules.. Questioning why he woukdnt have known the brother was home or had plans to take care of this obstacle(just paraphrasing)

I think most likely if it's true that this was a plotted/planned in advance abduction as many believe that woukd include the perp having known the family's schedules..and question why then abduct with brother at home.. I think it is most likely that if the family's schedules were known that would have included mom, dad and Holly's.. Because Clint did not live at home, rather he was a full time college student living in another town.. I think the perp never ever even took Clint Bobo into consideration as being a possible family member at the home.. It just so happened that this perp planned and executed the abduction the very week that Clint Bobo was home for his week of Spring Break from college..

IMO the perp hadn't a clue in the world that Clint Bobo would have been at home.. IMO Clint Bobo likely never even crossed this perp's mind as he most likely knew that Clint lived in another city attending college full time.. He never was even seen as an obstacle IMO.. I wonder now when it was the perp became aware that Clint was there in the home that morning?

Did the original an include his leading Holly off into the woods for the getaway or was that a sudden change of plans made by perp at the last minute upon realizing that Clint was there at te home?

Or did the lerp never even have a clue Clint was there until it was broke in the media later that day that Clint Bobo had witnessed his sister being led by a man in camo into the woods??

Hmm? That's really something interesting that I wonder about?

 

[mountainguy777]

?????????


60 days into this and no suspects. One witness.

Brother is nowhere to be found for whatever reason, yet he's a 25 yr old man.

Early on.....mom was selling t-shirts to make money for Holly to take a vacation when she returns.

We live in an era of "be the first to get the story", yet no media outlets are prying into this. Where's Geraldo? Nancy Grace? Even if LE said nobody talk, some would!

??????????

 

[mag84]

?????????


60 days into this and no suspects. One witness.

Brother is nowhere to be found for whatever reason, yet he's a 25 yr old man.

Early on.....mom was selling t-shirts to make money for Holly to take a vacation when she returns.

We live in an era of "be the first to get the story", yet no media outlets are prying into this. Where's Geraldo? Nancy Grace? Even if LE said nobody talk, some would!

??????????

Been saying this all along. Thank you!!!

 

[MLE]

I think most likely if it's true that this was a plotted/planned in advance abduction as many believe that woukd include abduct with brother at home.. I think it is most likely that if the family's schedules were known that would have included mom, dad and Holly's.. Because Clint did not live at home, rather he was a full time college student living in another town.. I think the perp never ever even took Clint Bobo into consideration as being a possible family member at the home.. It just so happened that this perp planned and executed the abduction the very week that Clint Bobo was home for his week of Spring Break from college..

IMO the perp hadn't a clue in the world that Clint Bobo would have been at home.. IMO Clint Bobo likely never even crossed this perp's mind as he most likely knew that Clint lived in another city attending college full time.. He never was even seen as an obstacle IMO.. I wonder now when it was the perp became aware that Clint was there in the home that morning?

Did the original an include his leading Holly off into the woods for the getaway or was that a sudden change of plans made by perp at the last minute upon realizing that Clint was there at te home?

Or did the lerp never even have a clue Clint was there until it was broke in the media later that day that Clint Bobo had witnessed his sister being led by a man in camo into the woods??

Hmm? That's really something interesting that I wonder about?

That's a great post.

Maybe Clint wasn't the only one who happened to come back to Parsons for spring break. Maybe the perp is a college student and former high school classmate of Holly who made it home for spring break from his college.

I can remember some of the criminally insane things my cousin said about a girl he had graduated high school with, especially when we were drinking one night and perhaps the alcohol functioned as a truth serum. This girl had never done anything wrong whatsoever to my cousin, but some guys just can't handle rejection and can't get it through their skulls that there are literally billions more fish in the sea.

 

[docwho3]

I wasn't aware her brother was not normally at home and knowing that helps a bit.

Still, I would think that someone really close to the family would have possibly known
about her brother's break being spent at home.

Even if this was a planned thing (not yet convinced one way or the other
on that aspect) her brother being home and the perp not realizing it says
to me that perhaps he was not close enough to the family to know that
Clint was home.

This also says to me that the perp had not just sat out there & watched
the family for hours or days before doing the crime else he would have
known about her brother's presence.

That, in turn, further limits the possibilities.

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So why was he (the perp) there at that time of day? Why was he at the carport
messing around when Holly came out?

Was he trying to steal gas from the car or looking for stuff to steal while
he was there in the area?

Was this merely a crime of opportunity and necessity?

If he was that ne'erdowell son I mentioned in one of my scenarios
out messing around someone's home and this young woman comes out
and catches him then he (probably has been in trouble before) maybe
thinks his parents (or relatives) will kick him out if he gets in any more
trouble so he must get rid of her.

Just sort of thinking out loud.

 

[MLE]

That's a very good theory, docwho3.

 

[concentric]

In post-911 America with so many cameras in urban areas, perhaps some traffickers would prefer to do their dirty deeds in rural areas where there's a lower risk of being caught on camera.

While I think it's far more likely that some guy who lives in or near Parsons kidnapped, raped, and murdered her, trafficking isn't something that can be counted out at this point. She fits the profile of someone who would be trafficked and it's because she's not trashy.

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I said several pages back that if the case isn't solved soon, we might have to start thinking that some shah or sultan could be acquiring women from the US. Remember the Shannon Marketic incident?
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http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Brunei+touting+itself+tourist+spot/4359728/story.html

The Sultan and his brother are as passionate about women as they are about cars and money.

In 1997, former Miss USA Shannon Marketic launched a lawsuit claiming the Sultan and his brother kept her and six other women, some also American beauty contest winners, as "sex slaves" at the royal palace. The case was settled out of court.

In addition, American author Jillian Lauren has written a book about her experiences as one of up to 40 women Prince Jefri kept in his harem before his brother cut off the money supply.

 

[burbqueen]

i really dont think this was a case of human trafficing. most cases of american women being sold or held had to do with first some sort of con, then luring them, then holding or threatning them so they wont leave. Or women that are desperate or at risk.

Modelling, pageants, singing, fashion shows etc. are advertised in the paper or online and they lure girls that way. Or pimps hold runaways.

I cant see any human traffikers just taking a random women in rural TN into the woods. There are plenty of pretty blondes on the strip in Vegas or Atlantic city. Just to name a few places.

Nope IMO either HB was kidnapped by a random stranger(which is less likely), or kidnapped by somebody in the community who knew the area and possibly knew HB or her family, or her brother made all this up and did something to her.

 

[concentric]

. There are plenty of pretty blondes on the strip in Vegas or Atlantic city.

JMO True. However, I would venture to say that a potential kidnapper who is looking for a woman who is "unsullied" so to speak, might put a lot of research into finding their prey and therefore, would not concentrate on Vegas or Atlantic City.

Also, if the potential kidnappers had used lures in the past that did not work out for them, perhaps they might turn to more nefarious means.

 

[MLE]

Burbqueen,

I agree with your last paragraph and think those are the most likely scenarios.

About Las Vegas and Atlantic City, keep in mind those two cities have extremely high camera densities, between all of the fixed indoor cameras, fixed outdoor cameras, and roving tourist cameras.

I've put up "deer cameras" as a security enhancement near my rural home, but you can still do more things in a small town without being caught on camera. Plus, the population density is so much lower. When I worked in trucking management, you wouldn't believe how many times "concerned citizens" called in on my drivers for emptying urine bottles (very common in long haul trucking), picking up lot lizards (prostitutes who work truck stops), and any other thing they could bust these drivers on. Each time, my drivers were very surprised and thought nobody was watching. It's just very difficult to do anything these days without being seen by another human and the cameras up the ante considerably, making rural areas a more secure location to commit a major crime, all else equal.

 

[MLE]

JMO True. However, I would venture to say that a potential kidnapper who is looking for a woman who is "unsullied" so to speak, might put a lot of research into finding their prey and therefore, would not concentrate on Vegas or Atlantic City.

Also, if the potential kidnappers had used lures in the past that did not work out for them, perhaps they might turn to more nefarious means.

That, and think of how social networks are a relatively recent phenomenon and could potentially be used as a de facto shopping catalog by predators.

A couple of years ago, there was a coin store robbed in Sevierville and the robbers took old US bills. I couldn't believe they stole those, because I've shopped there many a time and they always have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of gold and silver bullion which would seem more desirable to a criminal. After all, the bills have one of a kind serial numbers and would be easily identifiable on Ebay or anywhere. Some of the silver bars have serial numbers too, but at least those can be melted down and recast and would maintain most of their value. When I asked the store owner why on Earth they would steal paper bills with serial numbers instead of the gold and silver, he replied, "They already had a buyer. Someone wanted those specific items, so that's what was taken."

Anyone on Planet Earth can look at facebook profiles and point to one and say, "Her. I want her and I'll pay 500,000 RMB upon delivery."

 

[mountainguy777]

In reality.....we honestly don't even know if holly was at home that day, or maybe was coming home from being out all night. We have what clint says happened, and even that has changed.

 

[concentric]

That, and think of how social networks are a relatively recent phenomenon and could potentially be used as a de facto shopping catalog by predators.


Anyone on Planet Earth can look at facebook profiles and point to one and say, "Her. I want her and I'll pay 500,000 RMB upon delivery."

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Yes. You articulate so well the exposure that these social networks provide to a kidnapper. I've also been thinking about that all along.

JMO - To expand upon your observations, many have nixed the idea that Holly was targeted because of her relation to her country singer cousin. However, I would say that because of the exposure to the public, this might be a contributing factor to her vulnerability.