TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #31

[pittsburghgirl]

There's no way this is a hoax concocted by Holly to hide a pregnancy. Why on earth would she do that?

That was the point I was making in my post. Sorry if that was not clear.

I think Jennifer Kesse's case is somewhat similar, although no one witnessed the abduction and her car was taken and later parked away from her condo. Jennifer was adult, blonde, had a boyfriend, was likely abducted in the morning before work.

 

[OldSteve]

That was the point I was making in my post. Sorry if that was not clear.

I think Jennifer Kesse's case is somewhat similar, although no one witnessed the abduction and her car was taken and later parked away from her condo. Jennifer was adult, blonde, had a boyfriend, was likely abducted in the morning before work.

That's a sad case, Jennifer Kesse :
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118678&highlight=Jennifer+Kesse

 

[kimmie0313]

I am new to posting here so my apologies for not being as up to date with all of the info as you all are. I have tried to keep up with Holly's case while lurking, but it is alot to keep up with.

Some things I am wondering if you guys can clarify for me:

It has beeen talked about that the neighbor heard a scream. Was it at a distance of 350 FEET or YARDS? To me this makes a difference. IMO it would be nearly impossible for someone to hear a scream from 350 YARDS. That is 3 and 1/2 football fields. That is very far to hear a scream.

How does this scream fit into the sequence of events for the morning? Specifically 7:30-8:00? Would the scream have happened before or after CB saw them going into the woods?

Has the blood been proven to be Holly's? And how big was the "puddle"?

Thank all of you in advance for any info that you are able to give

 

[Oriah]

Thanks for your thanks and here's a link to WS thread for Molly:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78899&page=2

Thanks, OldSteve.
After you mentioned Molly's case, I mentioned Holly's to a friend of mine local to Mass. My friend hadn't heard of Holly's case, but the first question they mused was, "I wonder if there are any avid wildlife or nature photographers in the area?"
Granted, my friend is a professional photographer- but it had me wondering about developers who may have come across a lot of photos of Holly (developed or sent in not by family or friends.)
I know we've pretty much gone digital these days, but I would be interested to know about actual film developers and what they might have come across.
It might be in keeping with the stalker theory.

 

[TxLady2]

I assume

1) they did not have scent dogs but rather general police 'attack" type dogs from the local K9 patrol unit.

2) there may not have been a scent to follow as the suspect had a vehicle just inside the tree line near the property

3) we do not know for certain dogs did NOT find a trail either. The statement they did only appears once in a rather unclear quote from a talking head on a TV news show.

Just curious why you would assume these were just attack dogs, and not tracking dogs.
I would think TN has a number of tracking dogs available throughout the state that could be brought to the location within an hour. AFAIK, attack dogs are not used for anything except apprehending a criminal, and never if there is a hostage involved in close proximity. It would be kind of stupid to send several attack dogs into the woods if the guy was holding Holly with some kind of weapon.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I am new to posting here so my apologies for not being as up to date with all of the info as you all are. I have tried to keep up with Holly's case while lurking, but it is alot to keep up with.

Some things I am wondering if you guys can clarify for me:

It has beeen talked about that the neighbor heard a scream. Was it at a distance of 350 FEET or YARDS? To me this makes a difference. IMO it would be nearly impossible for someone to hear a scream from 350 YARDS. That is 3 and 1/2 football fields. That is very far to hear a scream.

How does this scream fit into the sequence of events for the morning? Specifically 7:30-8:00? Would the scream have happened before or after CB saw them going into the woods?

Has the blood been proven to be Holly's? And how big was the "puddle"?

Thank all of you in advance for any info that you are able to give

The scream seemingly happened before Clint woke up. Karen has said he did not hear the screams because he was asleep and that possibly the screams along with the dog barking were what woke him up. So basically Holly screamed, Clint woke up and heard voices outside, saw "silhouettes" in the garage, called his mom, later got a gun and went out to look for Holly, met the neighbor (who heard the screams) who had come to the house to check. Shortly thereafter the police started to arrive.

The neighbors live some distance away. If you look at the aerial photos of the house there are no immediate neighbors. You can assume the screams were real as an independent witness did hear them and 911 was called.

The Bobos said on a TV interview the blood was Holly's.

The blood has been described as some small amount and not said to necessarily indicate a life threatening injury. Different stories call it drops, drips, flecks, puddles, etc. Clint says the blood was in the garage which is attached to the house, although a lot of reports say it was on the carport

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Just curious why you would assume these were just attack dogs, and not tracking dogs.
I would think TN has a number of tracking dogs available throughout the state that could be brought to the location within an hour. AFAIK, attack dogs are not used for anything except apprehending a criminal, and never if there is a hostage involved in close proximity. It would be kind of stupid to send several attack dogs into the woods if the guy was holding Holly with some kind of weapon.

Well I did not state it as a fact but an assumption. I assume that because

1) if dogs did not catch a scenet, perhaps they were not the right kind of dogs
2) the amount of time it may have taken or not taken to get dogs. Regular police dogs can be on the scene in minutes. At least here in my county (where they disbanded scent dogs AFAIK) the dogs are at one county-wide location and have to be rounded up, transported, etc. which can take a few hours.
3) no one has said officially what kind of dogs were or were not used.

 

[Oriah]

My assumption as well, Carla.
Many PD's and SO's have scent dogs, but it often does take time to procure them- especially in large and/or rural communities. Police K9's are more commonly seen on patrol (in my experience, anyway.)

TxLady2- I don't think they would have sent an officer with a police K9 into a hostage type situation unless it was warranted for other reasons (such as to protect the officer/handler) but they may have tried to track or trail just out of hope. Or they may have held out until a scent dog could be brought in. I can see a lot of situations.

 

[Hazel]

Holly Bobo to Be Honored by Family Church on NYE
December 29, 2011 12:10 AM EST

The Holly Bobo disappearance is soon to be entering a new year while the 21-year-old nursing student remains missing without a trace. In her story's latest update, it appears that the Bobo family church will be honoring the missing woman on NYE. Whether you're religious or not, it's important that this case, and other unsolved disappearances, be kept in the public eye—even if that means through religious rituals.

 

[Hazel]

Names of missing to be read at Bobo's church
<snips>

The church Holly Bobo's family attends in Decatur County will have a special New Year's Eve night watch service this year in honor of the missing nursing student.

Volunteers will meet at the Corinth Baptist Church, at 1350 Corinth Road in Darden, at 10 p.m. Saturday to read through the list of names of America's missing children and will pray for the children and their families at midnight.

 

[cluciano63]

Well, prayers are nice...a detailed case review going back to the beginning and starting over, with new detectives, might be more useful...JMO

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Really?? So how does that work within the law? LOL!! Karen would of expected Clint to actually "shoot" someone or "kill"them? I just find that bazaar!! I guess that is what they mean with"taking the law in ones hand" huh?

So now considering this information why do you suppose Clint never ran after them to save Holly? :waitasec:Too late to help her?

Bizarre? Clearly you've never been to Texas. People here shoot intruders all the time. A homeowner is rarely prosecuted for killing an intruder here.

LOL!! So I've heard!! Guess "surprise" visits aren't big in some states, even by family, huh? I understand what your saying in the context of protecting ones home and those in it. I lived in Arizona, where gun possession was legal and people carried them on their person. Lived there 10 years and never heard of one owner shooting someone on there property. The mentality there was , with gun ownership comes the heavy burden of"responsible judgement" in it's use.

I guess what I was trying to say by "bazaar" is the "shooting intruders ALL the time" part. Let's think about this:
Clint would be comfortable with a gun to hunt, but to be on the ready to "shoot" someone who may have a gun on his sister? I mean wouldn't there have to be "responsible evaluation" of the entire situation? Surely someone "should" recognize Clint could have also been killed, along with his sister. Seems "mom" may have just been panicked and not thinking clearly. Maybe Clint was smart enough to know "the gun in the mix" could have caused more harm......and frankly from what I have heard from Clint makes me a little uncomfortable with him having a gun to begin with? That's just me and I am a "city girl" , so what do I know right? LOL

Maybe that is the answer to the "bolded" question I had.

 

[OldSteve]

My assumption as well, Carla.
Many PD's and SO's have scent dogs, but it often does take time to procure them- especially in large and/or rural communities. Police K9's are more commonly seen on patrol (in my experience, anyway.)

TxLady2- I don't think they would have sent an officer with a police K9 into a hostage type situation unless it was warranted for other reasons (such as to protect the officer/handler) but they may have tried to track or trail just out of hope. Or they may have held out until a scent dog could be brought in. I can see a lot of situations.

Here's an interesting writeup about tracking dogs. It was posted by a newcomer at the Maura Murray thread:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/zoology/mammals/sar-dog2.htm

 

[houndstooth]

Clint could see his hands, I presume.

You know, it seems to me I recall something about Clint's description included
gloves.

I think he specifically said he couldn't see his hands.

Someone may correct me if that is wrong.

 

[officer'swife 2010]

Isn't the whole family big hunters? Yes Clint may have had a gun but shooting an animal and a person is way different. Not sure I think Clint had anything to do with it, but I know when I first wake up I'm really groggy and takes a few minutes for anything to sink in. I'm sure he's regretted not going after his sister, maybe he really thought it was Drew the b/f? Who knows? All I know is this girl needs to be home!!!

 

[tfrohning]

Molly Bish, I agree- very similar. Thanks for bringing her case back up again.

I just don't see the similar with Molly. Molly was taken from a pond.:waitasec:
Holly was taken from her home. Her case reminds me Jesse Kesse even Tara Grinstead who was taken from thier home. imo

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I just don't see the similar with Molly. Molly was taken from a pond.:waitasec:
Holly was taken from her home. Her case reminds me Jesse Kesse even Tara Grinstead who was taken from thier home. imo

I do not see any similarity either. I suppose in both cases there was a general description of a supposed suspect.

Morgan Harrington is another missing girl that does NOT fit the MO of Holly's abduction. She was last seen wandering around outside an arena and then hitch hiking on a bridge.

 

[cfreyja23]

Clint would be comfortable with a gun to hunt, but to be on the ready to "shoot" someone who may have a gun on his sister? I mean wouldn't there have to be "responsible evaluation" of the entire situation? Surely someone "should" recognize Clint could have also been killed, along with his sister. Seems "mom" may have just been panicked and not thinking clearly.

QUOTE]

Yeah, I totally get what you're saying, and I was just teasing you. People really are serious about gun ownership here, but the general attitude is: if the context indicates that someone is breaking into your apartment/home, then shoot first, ask questions later. If someone's climbing in my window at 3am (and I live alone), if I shoot the person, I probably won't be prosecuted as long as I'm the lawful owner of the gun. There was one case in which a very drunk man broke into his neighbor's house in the middle of the night by mistake and was killed by the neighbor. The neighbor was not charged.

I definitely agree with you about the panic. I've always thought that her mom seemed to be responding with almost psychic response about the situation, and her prompting him to get a gun was strange given the circumstances. I think that, even in Texas, that would not have been a normal response. I've thought from the get-go that something may have happened before the kidnapping that put the family on edge, maybe an ex-boyfriend threatened her, or she received some kind of creepy email from an unwanted suitor, etc.

I've pretty much stuck by what I think happened: a guy she knew through friends liked her and wanted to date her, came to her house to confront her, tried to talk to her, didn't like her response, decided to kidnap her. I think it was semi-planned as a Plan B, but not completely thought out beforehand.

 

[cfreyja23]

The blood has been described as some small amount and not said to necessarily indicate a life threatening injury. Different stories call it drops, drips, flecks, puddles, etc. Clint says the blood was in the garage which is attached to the house, although a lot of reports say it was on the carport

I'd be interested to hear your take on where the blood came from. Maybe he punched her in the nose? If you've already written it, sorry, I missed reading a couple of weeks of posts.

 

[shefner]

I'd be interested to hear your take on where the blood came from. Maybe he punched her in the nose? If you've already written it, sorry, I missed reading a couple of weeks of posts.

We've discussed the possibility that Holly was sexually assaulted in the carport and the blood might have come from that....or that she was caught off guard and hit in the nose or mouth area. I just think that if the wound was exposed, there would be a blood trail across the carport and into the yard towards the woods. My understanding is that there was no blood trail....so perhaps the area where the blood came from was covered...