TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #32

[~n/t~]

ok I didn't dream it:

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Final hours with Holly: Family, friends, police reconstruct time before Holly Bobo's abduction
11:00 PM, Oct. 8, 2011

"The dog woke me up barking, and I looked out front and expected to see the electric truck or something," Clint said. "I woke up about 7:50, and I expected to see someone checking the meter, but I didn't see any vehicles.
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"I looked out the window and saw Holly's car still here, and I knew she wasn't in the house because I had looked in her room," Clint said. "That's when I called Mom to ask her if Holly had caught a ride with someone or if she didn't have school, but she didn't answer."

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20120101/NE

 

[~n/t~]

Conflicting stories:


Final hours with Holly: Family, friends, police reconstruct time before Holly Bobo's abduction
11:00 PM, Oct. 8, 2011
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"The dog woke me up barking, and I looked out front and expected to see the electric truck or something," Clint said. "I woke up about 7:50, and I expected to see someone checking the meter, but I didn't see any vehicles.
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"I looked out the window and saw Holly's car still here, and I knew she wasn't in the house because I had looked in her room," Clint said. "That's when I called Mom to ask her if Holly had caught a ride with someone or if she didn't have school, but she didn't answer."
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http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20120101/NE...
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ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Aired August 4, 2011 - 19:00:00 ET
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C. BOBO: I was asleep in my bedroom and I was awoken by the sounds of our house dog barking.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what did you see?
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C. BOBO: I saw the silhouette of two people in our garage. At the time I had no idea who either one of the people were. And then come to realize later that that was my sister and her abductor....
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok so as you watched, it was a man inside the garage with your sister and then what happens?
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C. BOBO: And then I got in touch with my mom and found out that Holly was supposed to be in school that morning ...
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/0...

 

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[:+:MrTT:+:]

Some very interesting tips are coming into the AMW Hotline tonight! A really great tip on the Holly Bobo case, and many good tips on Eric Toth. If you got a tip, call us right now at 1-800-CRIME-TV.

John Walsh left this on her Facebook page. Any idea what that great tip may be about?

 

[wfgodot]

Some very interesting tips are coming into the AMW Hotline tonight! A really great tip on the Holly Bobo case, and many good tips on Eric Toth. If you got a tip, call us right now at 1-800-CRIME-TV.

John Walsh left this on her Facebook page. Any idea what that great tip may be about?

About ratings for future shows perhaps.

I shouldn't be that cynical actually. I don't think we know the quality of the tip or its subject, but perhaps Walsh was cheerleading for others to follow up with what they know.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

10 - Holly has a country singer cousin who appeared on the show Survivor a few weeks after her disappearance.

Anyone have a link to this country singer websites?
What is her name?

 

[wfgodot]

10 - Holly has a country singer cousin who appeared on the show Survivor a few weeks after her disappearance.

Anyone have a link to this country singer websites?
What is her name?

Whitney Duncan.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I think we are stretching the facts we have...and, for certain, they are few and far between.

As I recall, we do not know if the friend who got so upset at school is the same friend with which she was speaking that morning. My understanding is that these are two different girls. I could be wrong but would love a link.

Also, Clint did not call his mom to ask why Holly was in the woods. Clint called his mom, initially, to ask who was in the garage. By the time Holly got near the woods, mom was hysterical.

I don't think Holly was pregnant, although this would lend itself to a motive for whoever the father may have been.

I think Holly was a goody-goody. I don't mean to say this in a bad way. I think she presented herself as a sweet, quiet girl who was fairly spoiled.
Gee...can I say that? Am I getting too close to the ledge here?

Anyway, I think she wore gorgeous clothes, had a nice home, drove a sports car, went to college, had a cute boyfriend and her parents adored her. She was a church goer and from a religious family. She loved to sing in church and for others. (BTW, I have always tried to resolve being shy with being a public singer. The only thing more frightening to people that public speaking is public singing. This was my very first uneasy feeling regarding Holly.)

Now, according to Rule #1, we shall never make the victim appear less than perfect but...we are all human. I will let this sink in before I go further into what I think happened.

BBM

....but you have heard the friend (whichever freind) was upset enough to cry, right?? That is the point, doesn't it seem like an over-reaction ti someone being late?

So Clint called his mom to ask "who was in the garage"--Hello!! Why call mom when you are 10 ft away from the answer?

I agree with you on Holly not being pregnant, but I do not think we know "who Holly was"--but IMO she SEEMED like a sweet young women, does not mean she or Clint do not know some questionable characters.:what

 

[Chili Fries]

Yes, negative rumblings that she might know something, but also that NB has a sketchy past (and maybe present) herself and may be involved with some people and activities that are not all above board.

There are so many rumors out there, especially on <mod snip> that you it makes my head hurt trying to sort them out, and who knows how much substance any particular rumor actually has. ~n/t~ made a good point about how it might be smart for LE to go back to the beginning and try to sift through all the tips and rumors they've collected (if they haven't already). They have my sympathy if they do, I can't imagine it's an easy task making sense of it all and deciding what's worthwhile and what's not.

Anyway, here's brief appearance of NB on a news video:

[video=youtube;d3rJ-rQCNYw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3rJ-rQCNYw[/video]

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Frankly , we are left with the following

1-A witness account that has the witness calling his mother to tell him WHO was outside with Holly....or Mom calling Clint after the Neighbor calls Karen at school about a scream she heard at their house.

2-We do not know who the last person to see Holly was--family excluded

3-A scream heard that morning by...the neighbor's son or was it his mother
either way that scream was NOT heard by the person who was right there in the house.

4-Immediately after LE arrived the family all tramped into the woods--or was it that Clint KEPT them from tramping into the woods

5-Holly was led into the woods by Drew (her boyfriend), or recently, her cousin

6-A turkey comes into play in one account or is never mentioned in another account.

The 911 calls, or the "flurry" of calls around 7:30 have not been released.
....and many more conflicting reports about that day.

It would seem to me a reasonable scenario would be impossible to obtain, as long as we do not have one cohesive account of what happened that morning

Consider this: the 911 tapes ALONE would end some of the speculation--Why have they not been released? Apparently LE knows far more then they would like us to know. I sure hope that is true.

 

[MizStery]

Frankly , we are left with the following

1-A witness account that has the witness calling his mother to tell him WHO was outside with Holly....or Mom calling Clint after the Neighbor calls Karen at school about a scream she heard at their house.

2-We do not know who the last person to see Holly was--family excluded

3-A scream heard that morning by...the neighbor's son or was it his mother
either way that scream was NOT heard by the person who was right there in the house.

4-Immediately after LE arrived the family all tramped into the woods--or was it that Clint KEPT them from tramping into the woods

5-Holly was led into the woods by Drew (her boyfriend), or recently, her cousin

6-A turkey comes into play in one account or is never mentioned in another account.

The 911 calls, or the "flurry" of calls around 7:30 have not been released.
....and many more conflicting reports about that day.

It would seem to me a reasonable scenario would be impossible to obtain, as long as we do not have one cohesive account of what happened that morning

Consider this: the 911 tapes ALONE would end some of the speculation--Why have they not been released? Apparently LE knows far more then they would like us to know. I sure hope that is true.

I do understand LE is under no obligation to release the 911 calls. But there is always an explanation ad nausium from the same people...wait let me rephrase that,morphing explanation's ....minutia refinements of the events,of that morning. But,not too much detail....most offered in the most confused veiled secrecy possible. My theory is one of the unidentified 911 calls could have been from Holly. It was not in the interests of preserving the narrative to give too many specifics or the gist of what happened in a coherent way. Not releasing the calls to 911 or who phoned the tip's that led to HB belonging's.JMO

 

[TxLady2]

BBM - My point was that there may be a mentality afoot causing LE and others to not look at someone closer (to be suspicious of) because of certain associations and ties to the church community.

Jmo

Ok, then.
I don't know about that area, but where I come from LE has to look at ALL persons, no matter what kind of ties they have in the community. They don't discriminate just because of politics or ties to a church. Just last week, an associate pastor in a town not far from me was arrested on a DUI, and this was not his first, by any means. We've also had some people in LE who have been prosecuted in the past as well as politicians.
I just can't see the state police purposely overlooking someone, even if the local LE would. In short, I don't agree with the small-town-good-ole-boy theory here, and I sure don't believe Holly's family would sit back and ignore someone just because they were close friends or fellow church members.

 

[TxLady2]

It doesn't really make sense. We're trying too hard to make things they've said make sense. Clint should have called out to Holly or immediately followed her into the woods. That's the only thing that would make sense. Calling his mother to find out if Holly should be in the woods makes no sense. The guy is 25 yo for goodness sake. Take your gun (or not) and go see what's up with your sister and see who the guy is who just led her into the woods. That's the only thing that would make any sense imo.

Ok... maybe he didn't follow or call out to her because it didn't look suspicious at that moment. Maybe he had just crawled out of bed and was in his underwear, or nude. Are you going to go running out of your house with nothing on if you see your sister walking casually towards the woods with someone you think at that moment is her boyfriend??
And IIRC, he said he saw them walking toward the woods.. not into them.
He did not realize it wasn't Drew until he talked to his mother. Not sure whether this was while he was still in the house or when he saw the blood on the ground but either way, it didn't look all that sinister at first. That's why he didn't go running into the woods.
If I may ask, what's wrong with a 25 y.o. calling his mom to find out why his sister's car is still there when she is supposed to be on her way to school? I think that's what a lot of siblings would do.

 

[shefner]

If LE does not have the decency (at this point, over 1 year later) to cough up the entirety of all 911 calls and who made them, then the least they could do for us is give us the times the calls were made.

Just imagine how much that would help us?! Just to have the times of the three 911 calls that were made would give us something to nail down the timeline.

I would love the time of Clint's call to his mom's cell. We need these times. My understanding is that the neighbor heard the scream around 7:40. We know Holly was on the phone till around 7:30 and was slipping on her flip flops to head out. Her disappearance (which went from being drug outta the carport...to being led by the arm through the grass...to walking next to the camo man without touching at all) took place just a few minutes till 8...and LE arrived around 8. Very quick response.

I imagine Holly's exam began around 8 or shortly after that. Could the mom have called someone other than 911? Did she call Dana...or a friend of Holly's...or Drew? That would make sense to me. If she made other calls while on her way home, I would love to know who she called....and the times.

Holly's friend crying and being upset is a bit peculiar. But I agree with another poster who mentioned the nursing program guidelines. Believe it or not, cosmetology is similar in its strict format. If you have 3 tardies in a semester you are out of the program. if you show up without your proper uniform, you get sent home. You are allowed 3 days of absence. Thats it. For ANY reason, even the death of your mother and father. Three days. If you miss the 4th for any reason, you are recycled. You are on your feet from 8 am to 3pm...with a 30 minute break for lunch. Its very tough. If a person is late for a test, there would be concern. I wonder if Karen had called to check and see if anyone of the friends in the class had heard from Holly...or if the friend had called Holly's home and talked to Clint?

 

[TxLady2]

Is it a logging company? Do they contract truckers coming in and out from different States or do they employ their own truckers? Considering he is a business owner, did they ever entertain at home with other business owners in the area or outside?

Someone knew the Bobos schedule, imo. They knew Dana and Karen left for their jobs early so this would've been the perfect opportunity for an out of towner who was fixated on Holly. Did Dana mention anything to anyone about Clint not being there that morning? A business partner perhaps or a colleague.

Dana was/is convinced it was someone who knew their schedules. That may be a clue.

I believe it is not a logging company, it's a tree service... trimming trees or cutting down trees on someone's property for whatever reason. Maybe a tree has died and needs to be cut down in case a big wind comes along and knocks it down on a house. Or it needs to be trimmed to keep branches from brushing on the roof or against the house, or just that it's too close to the house. Lots of reasons to trim them. We have two in our yard that are right under a power line and we are going to have to cut them down before they get that tall. They're not big yet, just in the wrong place.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Ok... maybe he didn't follow or call out to her because it didn't look suspicious at that moment. Maybe he had just crawled out of bed and was in his underwear, or nude. Are you going to go running out of your house with nothing on if you see your sister walking casually towards the woods with someone you think at that moment is her boyfriend??
And IIRC, he said he saw them walking toward the woods.. not into them.
He did not realize it wasn't Drew until he talked to his mother. Not sure whether this was while he was still in the house or when he saw the blood on the ground but either way, it didn't look all that sinister at first. That's why he didn't go running into the woods.
If I may ask, what's wrong with a 25 y.o. calling his mom to find out why his sister's car is still there when she is supposed to be on her way to school? I think that's what a lot of siblings would do .

Really? and I think it is strange, but that is because it is all relative to the account we are working with?

One account involves Holly and a"silhouette" with a turkey in the garage
One account involves him thinking it is the PSEG guy
One account involves him seeing her car still there
One account has him calling his mother as Holly and supposed boyfriend is walking toward the woods

.....and one account has his mother calling him first after the neighbor calls her. did I miss any?

So if you are working with "the calling his mother after seeing Holly walking towards the woods " with someone (maybe a boyfriend)--well then I can see why that would warrant a call to Karen.

The rest of the accounts do not necessitate (imo) a call to Karen, miles away for the answer. He is feet away from his sister---he doesn't even have to go outside, naked or otherwise. Just give a shout out like" Hey sis what's up?", nice turkey, aren't you supposed to be in school by now?

So this is only my opinion, but I have always felt Clint knew his sister was in danger and was scared to death to do anything for fear of his own life-----and who would blame him--. For me all these accounts are nothing more than a cover story for Clint and the suspect. LE does not want them (suspect) to know Clint saw this person

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

If LE does not have the decency (at this point, over 1 year later) to cough up the entirety of all 911 calls and who made them, then the least they could do for us is give us the times the calls were made.

Just imagine how much that would help us?! Just to have the times of the three 911 calls that were made would give us something to nail down the timeline.

I would love the time of Clint's call to his mom's cell. We need these times. My understanding is that the neighbor heard the scream around 7:40. We know Holly was on the phone till around 7:30 and was slipping on her flip flops to head out. Her disappearance (which went from being drug outta the carport...to being led by the arm through the grass...to walking next to the camo man without touching at all) took place just a few minutes till 8...and LE arrived around 8. Very quick response.

I imagine Holly's exam began around 8 or shortly after that. Could the mom have called someone other than 911? Did she call Dana...or a friend of Holly's...or Drew? That would make sense to me. If she made other calls while on her way home, I would love to know who she called....and the times.

snipped for space by RUK

....and if those 911 tapes were released would it surprise anyone to hear the 7:30 "flurry of calls" and the 911 calls were one and the same?:waitasec:

 

[shefner]

It would be extremely ironic for those flurry of calls to be around the same time Holly left for school and yet for none of them to be related to this case.

So what if Drew is hunting on MawMaw's land? He and Holly have dated for a while...and surely MawMaw knows Drew and his dad.

Part of me wants to believe the calls were about the hunting....but the logical part knows this can't be so.

 

[~n/t~]

Really? and I think it is strange, but that is because it is all relative to the account we are working with?

One account involves Holly and a"silhouette" with a turkey in the garage
One account involves him thinking it is the PSEG guy
One account involves him seeing her car still there
One account has him calling his mother as Holly and supposed boyfriend is walking toward the woods

.....and one account has his mother calling him first after the neighbor calls her. did I miss any?

So if you are working with "the calling his mother after seeing Holly walking towards the woods " with someone (maybe a boyfriend)--well then I can see why that would warrant a call to Karen.

The rest of the accounts do not necessitate (imo) a call to Karen, miles away for the answer. He is feet away from his sister---he doesn't even have to go outside, naked or otherwise. Just give a shout out like" Hey sis what's up?", nice turkey, aren't you supposed to be in school by now?

So this is only my opinion, but I have always felt Clint knew his sister was in danger and was scared to death to do anything for fear of his own life-----and who would blame him--. For me all these accounts are nothing more than a cover story for Clint and the suspect. LE does not want them (suspect) to know Clint saw this person

I disagree with your last paragraph. IMO, TBI and FBI's priority is to save the victim or find out what happened to her. As much as we want to believe they might want to protect the witness and come up with some sort of cover up story for Clint, in reality that just doesn't happen.

IMO, the story is ever changing and evolving and I don't know why but it's not from LE.

Also, we have 2 versions (IMO) of what ensued immediately after LE arrived at the scene.

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July 24 2011

The frustration comes from the waiting &#8211; waiting for canine dogs to arrive on the scene.

Some say it&#8217;s understandable that officials would not want precious evidence destroyed but for this family, that&#8217;s something that will likely haunt them forever - the thought that if everyone had just run into those woods, someone might have found Holly and her abductor.

&#8220;It just seems like everybody sat in the yard and in the driveway,&#8221; Dana said. He was frustrated that officials didn&#8217;t leave to set up road blocks. &#8220;Everybody stayed here,&#8221; he said.

http://www.examiner.com/article/hol...-painful-memories-of-the-morning-she-vanished

Oct 12 2011

"A lot of people stuck their nose in law enforcement business that day, and too many people showed up there at one time," Wyatt said. "We were trying to keep people away as best as we could, but when you have a few hundred people showing up, it is hard to do."

Wyatt said the deputies had a hard time keeping people from going into the backyard, but that no one walked around the area where Holly was last seen.

But Clint said people walked all around the area where he last saw his sister and that this was one of his largest concerns.

"As I was writing my statement, I guess I kind of had a feeling that we might not get Holly back right away," Clint said. "So I was trying to preserve the crime scene and keep it from being disrupted because I knew the only thing we might have would be footprints, and I knew if someone stepped on them, then that's ruined.

"After I had stopped Mom and a few people and said, 'Don't walk up the trail and in the woods,' people started walking up there, so I just sat down in the car and continued writing my statement out," he said. "I wasn't going to be able to stop everyone who was coming up here from walking where they had been."

http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/2...family-questions-early-handling-investigation


bbm

 

[wfgodot]

This case is like a novel with an unreliable narrator.