TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #33

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The thing is, going by what has been put out by the FBI, TBI, local LE and the family we know:

Holly was in school, doing well. No known issues or problems
Holly was active in her church and community. Well known. Seemingly well liked.
Holly was in a long time relationship with her BF. No known issues and one of the few quotes from non family members confirms this.
No evidence of any sort of family issues (abuse, etc). Everyone seemed happy. The family did things together as a group.
No known motive for Holly to just vanish. Also would she leave her car, clothes, money etc.? I doubt it.
Law Enforcement reacted to this as an abduction. I doubt that if this was a hoax they would have maintained that status for over a year.
Screams, blood, a suspect being spotted, various evidence being found (and a lot not disclosed) does not indicate a run away, etc. Nor does the initial description of the case as a home invasion.

Ergo - Holly was taken by someone local who wants her but knows she is or will not be interested in him, OR Holly was taken by someone who recently saw her and realized he had the opportunity to take her. Because the was in turkey camouflage gear, must be local or familiar with customs of area - knowing it was the 1st day of turkey hunting and seemingly using that to advantage...
 
Ergo - Holly was taken by someone local who wants her but knows she is or will not be interested in him, OR Holly was taken by someone who recently saw her and realized he had the opportunity to take her. Because the was in turkey camouflage gear, must be local or familiar with customs of area - knowing it was the 1st day of turkey hunting and seemingly using that to advantage...

I dont think there was a camo man!
 
Did we finally ever establish that Camo Man was indeed wearing turkey camo?

If there was a Camo Man?
 
You are absolutely correct. In this case though the only details I have seen released are a lunchbox and the Clint thought he saw his sister being led by her boyfriend into the woods. Then proceeded to put 4 to 6 inches on him and a good 40 to 50 pounds on him in his description. We also have the blood confirmed as Hollys by her father. Everything other than that, to me, is unsubstantiated rumor. I don't believe I posted any unsubstantiated rumor. I am only constructing a way Holly could disappear if she wanted to. Doesn't mean she did. Of course this is aided by how the case has been handled and all the hush hush around it. Above all I believe the case contradicts common sense. That applies to what details we have also. My first reaction was this was a hoax of some sort and after tossing it around for a year, I'm back to hoax. Or a very elaborate kidnapping that has left everyone puzzled, and done in such a way that its almost unbelievable. JMO

I agree with you!
I think its a cover up!
I dont believe any of the versions of the story of what happend!
JMO
 
I do hope they find this young woman and i hope the truth comes out.
This is the strangest missing persons case i have ever followed.
There is this HUGE reward yet no one is looking for her nor has been for quite a long time!

JMO
 
I thought the brother said that he initially thought it was the boyfriend because he had turkey cammo on?
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Also: gentle reminder that we are NOT sleuthing the brother.
 
I thought the brother said that he initially thought it was the boyfriend because he had turkey cammo on?
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Also: gentle reminder that we are NOT sleuthing the brother.

LOL i know i never mentioned bro lol!

I think he thought it was the BF because she was walking off with him!
but then didnt he say he thought it was his cousin?
I dont know,,,, i try to stay away from this case lol
 
When you look at the statement of known facts that Carla posted and weigh that against how desolate the area is she lived in, she was as low risk a victim as you could find, but an extremely high risk victim to any local predators who knew her situation in life. This was a PLANNED attack on her property, on a Wednesday morning (one of the two days during the week she attended classes and left home at 7:40AM~), in the middle of nowhere, by a man in full camoflauge clothing, in no hurry to abduct her, partially witnessed by her brother when he was not usually home, blood found where her brother saw silhouettes kneeling in the garage and she is escorted off the property towards the woods within a couple minutes of CB seeing figures in the garage. How many people could navigate the woods on her property and disappear within minutes of LE being on the scene? The suspect list in this case was very short and is probably very, very small right now. This case has been bogged down for over a year now with NOTHING new, it's a stalemate.
The 250k reward is also very misleading, I believe 25k was what was originally offered, 5k from local LE, 50k from governor and the 170k that was later added is questionable because it has no obvious backing behind it (anonymous donor and no bank account affiliated with it), MSM didn't even bother to report on it. This case could of used the media in the worst way to progress it, but everyone seems fine with it being handled behind closed doors and it is leading nowhere.
 
LOL i know i never mentioned bro lol!

I think he thought it was the BF because she was walking off with him!
but then didnt he say he thought it was his cousin?
I dont know,,,, i try to stay away from this case lol

The cousin was only mentioned by John Walsh on America's Most Wanted and AMW gets stuff wrong all the time. For example, just last week they showed a picture of the wrong truck when doing an update on Mickey Shunick. Instead of showing the picture of the truck that LE needs to ID, AMW showed a picture of the truck that was already cleared. And just the week before they got the route that Mickey had probably ridden home wrong. I wouldn't put any stock in the cousin being mentioned by Clint unless we hear it come out of Clint's mouth.
 
Did we finally ever establish that Camo Man was indeed wearing turkey camo?

If there was a Camo Man?

I will have to find the link. It was said by Clint. I know I picked up on it fairly recently. It may have been in that blog the family wrote but I do know that I read it or heard Clint state it. Clint said "Full Camo". That caught my attention. I was looking to see if the perp was wearing a hat etc.
 
The cousin was only mentioned by John Walsh on America's Most Wanted and AMW gets stuff wrong all the time. For example, just last week they showed a picture of the wrong truck when doing an update on Mickey Shunick. Instead of showing the picture of the truck that LE needs to ID, AMW showed a picture of the truck that was already cleared. And just the week before they got the route that Mickey had probably ridden home wrong. I wouldn't put any stock in the cousin being mentioned by Clint unless we hear it come out of Clint's mouth.

Oh,there is plenty of misinformation and blame to pass around.

Giving inaccurate or downright false inforation is a pattern that has played out over and over.
Perhaps America Most Wanted did misspeak when 'cousin' was used in the segment dealing with Holly. Maybe,Clint said 'cousin' or maybe he didn't to John Walsh. Our lone eye witness has changed and obsured his account so many times ...I challenge anyone to give me a clear narrative of events that
morning. Then we have relatives and family who are trotted out ~a reality star cousin (who sings)and lectures that we don't know the real story..and she does??? Then,perhaps she could share with us for starters 'where is Holly'. The lone fact is ...we are no closer to either the truth or finding Holly now than over a year ago. MOO
 
This might be a dumb question...

Is it possible for someone unrelated to the family to hire a PI to investigate a case?

I'm really not sure how I feel about this case anymore. I used to be really frustrated with those who were skeptical, but now I really want answers, too. I'm not implicating the family, just saying I want to know what happened. This has really got me thinking. Is the public entitled to know what happened if it's something the family wants to keep secret? Is it unethical to butt into their business? Or do we deserve to know what happened since some of us have donated money or helped participate in searches?

If LE did, in fact, find Holly, I know they'd release it to the public, because people are still searching, posting flyers, etc. But let's say that they haven't found her but they now believe it was something other than an abduction, do you think they would tell us? I guess they have no obligation to.

Now, suppose that the family or others do know more than they've even told to LE. In this case I really wish some PI would get on the case. I don't like it when families of crime victims are exploited and have their dirty laundry aired, but if they are hiding any details from LE and misleading the public, then I would like to know.

There are PIs who choose to take on cases on their own. For example, there is a man who has made it his own personal mission to investigate the Maura Murray case. People have mixed feelings about the way he's going about it, and the family does not want to participate. But her case has been cold for a long time. He has chosen to do this on his own without payment, other than whatever he gets for releasing his book, which he claims will bring him to break even, if anything. This may not be a popular idea, but I have to admit I am tempted to encourage him or another PI to do something similar with Holly's case.

I wouldn't personally do this, of course, but just out of curiosity - can a random person hire a PI to look into something like this? I guess if they can look into cheating spouses, they can look into pretty much anybody, right? But that sounds so wrong and creepy.

I just want Holly found.:banghead:
 
When you look at the statement of known facts that Carla posted and weigh that against how desolate the area is she lived in, she was as low risk a victim as you could find, but an extremely high risk victim to any local predators who knew her situation in life. This was a PLANNED attack on her property, on a Wednesday morning (one of the two days during the week she attended classes and left home at 7:40AM~), in the middle of nowhere, by a man in full camoflauge clothing, in no hurry to abduct her, partially witnessed by her brother when he was not usually home, blood found where her brother saw silhouettes kneeling in the garage and she is escorted off the property towards the woods within a couple minutes of CB seeing figures in the garage. How many people could navigate the woods on her property and disappear within minutes of LE being on the scene? The suspect list in this case was very short and is probably very, very small right now. This case has been bogged down for over a year now with NOTHING new, it's a stalemate.
The 250k reward is also very misleading, I believe 25k was what was originally offered, 5k from local LE, 50k from governor and the 170k that was later added is questionable because it has no obvious backing behind it (anonymous donor and no bank account affiliated with it), MSM didn't even bother to report on it. This case could of used the media in the worst way to progress it, but everyone seems fine with it being handled behind closed doors and it is leading nowhere.

BBM – I see the opposite being the bigger possibility. This was not a planned crime and the only one who has disappeared is Holly. The perp never disappeared. He is and has been right there the whole time.

The fact that Holly’s blood was found in the carport supports the theory that Holly was killed on her property. She never walked off the property with the perp. Holly was abducted alright, after she was killed.

I believe this was a “in the heat of the moment” type of crime. An argument ensued between Holly and the perp, things got out of hand, and Holly was struck and killed out of anger. The perp panicked. (You know what they say, the cover-up is always worse than the actual crime?) Holly was then removed (“abducted” [or should we say a “home invasion” occurred?]) from the scene. Some of Holly’s items were strewn about town in a way to make us believe that the perp traveled that way.

jmo
 
Just follow the story about the Darden Pastor who cold-c*cked the father of the bride. You will see how LE works in the Deep South. Pastors and Sheriffs are tight. They keep their communities run the way they want them to run. I bet the church/pastor receives and handles some of the monies collected from this case....and there was a lot of it.

This case reeks of a cover-up. Any LE in the country would be able to figure out this case when they arrive within 10 minutes of a crime and there is an eye witness. Are you kidding me?

I like how you don't beat around the bush and tell it like it is!:goodpost:
 
. . . various evidence being found (and a lot not disclosed)
does not indicate a run away,. . .
The evidence which was found away from the home,
more than anything else, is what has tilted me towards this being
a crime rather than a runaway case.

There are some few things which I have repeatedly read about in crimes
but not in runaway cases.

There are some sorts of things one finds in both types of cases but there
are those few things which do not seem to overlap.
(Though I admit that just because I have not seen a thing overlap yet
in the cases I have read does not mean it could never happen.)
 
BBM – I see the opposite being the bigger possibility. This was not a planned crime and the only one who has disappeared is Holly. The perp never disappeared. He is and has been right there the whole time.

The fact that Holly’s blood was found in the carport supports the theory that Holly was killed on her property. She never walked off the property with the perp. Holly was abducted alright, after she was killed.

I believe this was a “in the heat of the moment” type of crime. An argument ensued between Holly and the perp, things got out of hand, and Holly was struck and killed out of anger. The perp panicked. (You know what they say, the cover-up is always worse than the actual crime?) Holly was then removed (“abducted” [or should we say a “home invasion” occurred?]) from the scene. Some of Holly’s items were strewn about town in a way to make us believe that the perp traveled that way.

jmo

The blood found was said to be a small amount not indicative of a lethal injury. And, there would not be much time to get rid of a body even if this were the case (am 1000% sure its not). Since there were screams heard by a neighbor, 911 calls made not by the family, etc. It would be hard to kill someone, totally drag the body off and hide it in such a short time without leaving more evidence. And, we do have Clint saying he saw them walking away. Seemingly the FBI believes this.
 
Ergo - Holly was taken by someone local who wants her but knows she is or will not be interested in him, OR Holly was taken by someone who recently saw her and realized he had the opportunity to take her. Because the was in turkey camouflage gear, must be local or familiar with customs of area - knowing it was the 1st day of turkey hunting and seemingly using that to advantage...


Your last statement caught my eye! Using that to advantage could have more than one meaning!!!!!
 
Turkey hunting season starts the first week of April in TN, so it was not the starting date.
I took a quick look for a website to confirm, couldn't find it, but I am 99.99% sure of this.
 
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