TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #36

[~n/t~]

Would her phone still be taking messages after all this time? Re: her father saying he still leaves her messages. Wouldn't it be full?
And would they have it, or would LE have it and be keeping it charged??

It's all very confusing. When I first read the article, I thought it was an older one but then when I looked again, saw the date and article mentions 22 month mark, I was taken aback by the cell phone info.

Don't know what to think. Maybe they have it and keep it recharged just in case Holly calls. They may erase the messages and keep leaving others. Who knows.

 

[OldSteve]

It's all very confusing. When I first read the article, I thought it was an older one but then when I looked again, saw the date and article mentions 22 month mark, I was taken aback by the cell phone info.

Don't know what to think. Maybe they have it and keep it recharged just in case Holly calls. They may erase the messages and keep leaving others. Who knows.

I could be they call it and get to hear her voice on a message she recorded that is not stored in her phone, but stored instead in cellphone provider's system...

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Would her phone still be taking messages after all this time? Re: her father saying he still leaves her messages. Wouldn't it be full?
And would they have it, or would LE have it and be keeping it charged??

Voice mail inst in your phone you can dial your voice mail from any phone, usually.

 

[NCSleuth]

"The neighbor told police that a man wearing camouflage grabbed the young woman, dragged her across her carport and pulled her into some nearby woods."

Okay, I understand bad reporting could have lead to "the neighbor" being identified since a neighbor was involved (heard the scream), but how about "dragged her across her carport and pulled her into some nearby woods." That would mean the reporter completely made that up. Thats way beyond bad reporting.

I know we discussed the "dragging" way back when. I am from the south and use the phrase 'drag me along', or someone 'dragged me along' to mean I didn't really want to go, but went anyway. Or "I dragged them along with me to the mall". Something like that. It's pretty common.

So I thought maybe that is how it all started, not I am not so sure.

 

[~n/t~]

I could be they call it and get to hear her voice on a message she recorded that is not stored in her phone, but stored instead in cellphone provider's system...

I suppose as long as they keep paying the service charges then it could be kept activated?

 

[wfgodot]

"The neighbor told police that a man wearing camouflage grabbed the young woman, dragged her across her carport and pulled her into some nearby woods."

Okay, I understand bad reporting could have lead to "the neighbor" being identified since a neighbor was involved (heard the scream), but how about "dragged her across her carport and pulled her into some nearby woods." That would mean the reporter completely made that up. Thats way beyond bad reporting.

I know we discussed the "dragging" way back when. I am from the south and use the phrase 'drag me along', or someone 'dragged me along' to mean I didn't really want to go, but went anyway. Or "I dragged them along with me to the mall". Something like that. It's pretty common.

So I thought maybe that is how it all started, not I am not so sure.

To be fair to the reporter that's what TBI indicated in its first press release - that Holly "was last seen by a family member being drug across the carport of her home." A couple days afterward "was led" came into play, though not in a TBI press release.

To the 13 April TBI press release: http://www.tbi.tn.gov/news_room/doc...Feared Victim of Home Invasion Kidnapping.pdf

To the 13 April newschannel5.com story: http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14438754/authorities-20-year-old-woman-may-have-been-abducted

 

[~n/t~]

"The neighbor told police that a man wearing camouflage grabbed the young woman, dragged her across her carport and pulled her into some nearby woods."

Okay, I understand bad reporting could have lead to "the neighbor" being identified since a neighbor was involved (heard the scream), but how about "dragged her across her carport and pulled her into some nearby woods." That would mean the reporter completely made that up. Thats way beyond bad reporting.

I know we discussed the "dragging" way back when. I am from the south and use the phrase 'drag me along', or someone 'dragged me along' to mean I didn't really want to go, but went anyway. Or "I dragged them along with me to the mall". Something like that. It's pretty common.

So I thought maybe that is how it all started, not I am not so sure.

Dragged, home invasion - all attributed to wrong reporting. Ya I'm not so sure they got it wrong either.

 

[wfgodot]

It's perhaps not the best basis for giving up on solving a case, especially on the day the case occurred, but the minute I read TBI's illustrious "being drug across the carport" wording on an official document, I doubted that an agency that can't even get word usage right had the resources to figure out Holly's disappearance.

Then, of course, came the "was led." Right along with the reverse-course "nobody's been cleared," after brother and boyfriend had been cleared.

Fast forward to the county fair tip boxes. This case never had a chance.

 

[reedus23]

Just my 2 cents on a few items.

One, there is no confirmation that the phone was ever found. It has been speculated but never confirmed.

Second, and it's just an observation, but focusing on how poorly people do something usually doesn't help to find the answers that help find someone such as Holly. Whether Clint made a good witness or not, whether you like his story or not, whether you like the way conveys himself isn't going to help find Holly. Clint's not involved in any way so I'm not sure why so much time is focused on him.

Third, same can be said for semantics. Drug, led, pulled, coerced, walked, forced are all just words or labels. The idea that is trying to be conveyed is that she left one area and went with another person to another area. I'm not sure how it will help find Holly if we ever did figure out which word best fits the situation that occurred.

Having said that, the problem is there probably isn't anything else to talk about that would help bring Holly home. At least I sure don't know what it would be so I guess carry on. :floorlaugh:

 

[Frogzilla]

Just my 2 cents on a few items.

One, there is no confirmation that the phone was ever found. It has been speculated but never confirmed.

Second, and it's just an observation, but focusing on how poorly people do something usually doesn't help to find the answers that help find someone such as Holly. Whether Clint made a good witness or not, whether you like his story or not, whether you like the way conveys himself isn't going to help find Holly. Clint's not involved in any way so I'm not sure why so much time is focused on him.

Third, same can be said for semantics. Drug, led, pulled, coerced, walked, forced are all just words or labels. The idea that is trying to be conveyed is that she left one area and went with another person to another area. I'm not sure how it will help find Holly if we ever did figure out which word best fits the situation that occurred.

Having said that, the problem is there probably isn't anything else to talk about that would help bring Holly home. At least I sure don't know what it would be so I guess carry on. :floorlaugh:

I think everyone who participates on this website and others like it have to come to a point where they have to accept fact and truth as mostly being equal, but also as being separate entities. While it is a fact that the LE has never said that her phone was found, is that the truth? I'll take ten people telling me what they saw over one person telling me what they didn't see, catch my drift? Especially when that one person may have reasons for bending their fact.
To bolster this point, the LE has never said HB was abducted, she is factually missing. Do you believe she is missing or that she was abducted? Again, i'll take my own truth over another's fact more times than not.
As for the latter part of this post, I believe the way CB has portrayed himself is curious and the way he has been portrayed is possibly unfair. The story could of been that he saw his sister walking away and before he had a chance to react, she was gone. I think we can all agree that is the gist of what he tries to convey. But it hasn't been presented in that way at all. It certainly begs the question as to why we needed clarification on something, as you put it, that doesn't seem like it's going to help find HB. At the very least CB was/is in self preservation mode. Why else would he contradict what the LE has said on the record, unless he felt it was important to protect himself. This in conjunction with KB making a point on TV to say that the LE isn't very cooperative with them and then to ask for the president's help, it paints a picture worth a thousand words.
With that being said, I personally do not think HB's immediate family harmed her, but where there is smoke there is usually fire. 1+1 has never equaled 2 in this case.

 

[PoisonPill]

I was working at a national news network when Holly disappeared, and remember the initial details and reporting well. It was clear this case was doomed from the start due to the absolute ineptitude of the TBI, their refusal to release any helpful updates in the search, and their inability to settle on the most basic sequence of events on that morning. I really believe that if Holly had gone missing under the jurisdiction of a different agency, we would now know what happened to her.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Just my 2 cents on a few items.

One, there is no confirmation that the phone was ever found. It has been speculated but never confirmed.

Second, and it's just an observation, but focusing on how poorly people do something usually doesn't help to find the answers that help find someone such as Holly. Whether Clint made a good witness or not, whether you like his story or not, whether you like the way conveys himself isn't going to help find Holly. Clint's not involved in any way so I'm not sure why so much time is focused on him.

Third, same can be said for semantics. Drug, led, pulled, coerced, walked, forced are all just words or labels. The idea that is trying to be conveyed is that she left one area and went with another person to another area. I'm not sure how it will help find Holly if we ever did figure out which word best fits the situation that occurred.

Having said that, the problem is there probably isn't anything else to talk about that would help bring Holly home. At least I sure don't know what it would be so I guess carry on. :floorlaugh:

I think it was Karen that confirmed the phone was found. It was mentioned in an interview some time back (a year ago?) rather casually. I think in a prior interview she had said she did not know if it was found.

Words are labels but we have different words in our language to convey different and very specific things. So there is a huge difference between dragged, led, not led, casually walking, etc. Yeah obviously Holly left with the suspect. But HOW it REALLY happened is of great importance. For exampe saying "the suspect led her away at gun point into the woods" has a totally different meaning than saying "she was walking casually with the suspect when they went down the trail", or "the suspect grabbed her and dragged her across the yard and into the woods". Three different statements with three different tones and implications.

 

[OldSteve]

I think it was Karen that confirmed the phone was found. It was mentioned in an interview some time back (a year ago?) rather casually. I think in a prior interview she had said she did not know if it was found.

Words are labels but we have different words in our language to convey different and very specific things. So there is a huge difference between dragged, led, not led, casually walking, etc. Yeah obviously Holly left with the suspect. But HOW it REALLY happened is of great importance. For exampe saying "the suspect led her away at gun point into the woods" has a totally different meaning than saying "she was walking casually with the suspect when they went down the trail", or "the suspect grabbed her and dragged her across the yard and into the woods". Three different statements with three different tones and implications.

Well stated!
RBBM
What do make of the newly mentioned thing about the dog being outside and wagging it tale!? That really throws me...

 

[cluciano63]

Well stated!
RBBM
What do make of the newly mentioned thing about the dog being outside and wagging it tale!? That really throws me...

Lol, speaking of word choices...I wish the dog could tell us his "tale".

 

[Almondjoy]

Well stated!
RBBM
What do make of the newly mentioned thing about the dog being outside and wagging it tale!? That really throws me...

I don't think it's information that helps, one way or another. The dog may have thought, "any 'friend' of Holly's is a friend of mine!"--as they strolled out of the yard arm in arm. JMO, IMO

 

[MizStery]

This is just a summation,if i have taken liberties with my wording. Please,let me know.

LE and Holly's family think it was a local who knew her routine. The only eye witness thought it was HB boyfriend.This person viewed Holly's mom and dad as an impediment & once they were gone.. felt the timing was optimum approaching Holly. Now,one of two scenarios is a possibility,Camo man was not apprehensive,(I have no theories of why that could be,only it is one possibility),..that *CB 'was' home or ...he just assumed CB was 'not' home. (Either, scenario is entirely possible.)

Camo man stayed an extended length of time.

Then,I think this is particularly of interest(do not forget,Holly had an important test) she is seen leaving(walking beside) camo man with all the things,(lunch,purse,books papers),she would require as if she still intended to go on ...to school.

Now*....we can add the dog wagging-it's tail ..following camo man and Holly in the woods.

So,taking this into consideration ...along with what else we know "in it's totality". I believe some theories could be generated. But,this is as always ,just my opinion)MOO

 

[wfgodot]

So this probably won't help The Sleuthing but, assuming the worst, that Holly is dead, how long do you guys think she was held captive until she was killed? In other words, what sort of window did LE have to get to her and maybe bring her back alive? Long time? Minutes? I'll say no more than an afternoon. Would it be more likely for an unknown-to-her perp to keep her alive longer?

 

[OldSteve]

So this probably won't help The Sleuthing but, assuming the worst, that Holly is dead, how long do you guys think she was held captive until she was killed? In other words, what sort of window did LE have to get to her and maybe bring her back alive? Long time? Minutes? I'll say no more than an afternoon. Would it be more likely for an unknown-to-her perp to keep her alive longer?

Your touching on something that always amazes me (how do I word this)... that a person can be somehow motivated to do what they do; for what? That they can believe a brief bit of "pleasure" really worth it?!

There has to be signs of personality disorder long before a person can do something like this... Cannot believe a normal person one says, "Gee, I think I'll take Holly today"... okay, end of :rant:

ETA: to answer your question - I'm sure statistics shows not much more than hours, and afternoon.. though there are exceptions...

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I think most abduction victims ( that are abducted for say a sexual assault ) are dead within a couple of hours. In this case too the suspect would not know exactly what any potential witnesses saw, didn't see, did or didn't do. He would assume possibly the worst and want to do what he intended to do, then get rid of any evidence like a body.

 

[wfgodot]

Since I think the crime was local I'll go with "taken to another rural location and killed within hours."