TN - Joann, 31, & Adrienne Bain, 14, Whiteville, 27 April 2012 - #3

[Quester]

It's so strange. And it actually just came to me. I couldn't figure out what it was. Something was just not connecting. I mean yah they were planning on doing the move and stuff. They were supposedly so close. Why in the world would he not call Adam...go to Adam's house crying hysterically looking for his family...begging his "friend" to help him find them!
They were probably right there the whole time for a while at least. And his wife and oldest daugther were being buried in the back yard.
And all that time, Gary never bothered to drive over there and plead for help?

The way this case is going, maybe GB is in a "hotel" also ????

I've got to imagine that GB placed a few calls to AM on that fateful day but we haven't heard anything of the sort.

 

[simlyme]

Since this manhunt has been going on, I hate when it gets dark out, I feel like they just wont be able to close in on him, and I have a feeling hes sleeping during daylight so he can keep moving during the night.
Anyone else think that?
I stayed up all night last night until I went to bed at 6:00AM, then thought, NO, they wont close in during dark, it would be too risky.(for the girls)
This is beyond evil.

 

[Madeleine74]

As for the alleged past involvement between AM and JB, what is probably driving that assumption is the opinion AM appears to hold that the youngest girl is his biological daughter. Why would he think that was possible if there had never been any involvement between him and JB? Of course he could be lying and making that up (we don't yet know).

 

[No Stone Unturned]

Good Grief - what a difference a day makes.

When I was last in front of a computer: TBI was saying that TM was Adam Mayes' ex-wife. Now, the affidavits and TBI both say she is the wife. (as in current)

Also, I thought it was 100 % verified that the young girl in store video behind AM was NOT one of the Bain children. But, catching up on the 28 pages of the new thread, I am seeing a lot of confusion on this. Has this "fact" also been changed?

Also, not surprised that TM played more of a role than what she initially let on.

 

[raeann]

Johnny Mayes II said his father also has some mental problems and is in failing health

Oh my....I must need to rest....I have been popping in and out to read while trying to keep up with a hectic few weeks of real life. I read your sentence as saying he is " in FAITH HEALING". Good thing I read it twice cause my first thought was just what this case needs is a faith healer! oops then I read it again....:what:

 

[jjenny]

As for the alleged past involvement between AM and JB, what is probably driving that assumption is the opinion AM appears to hold that the youngest girl is his biological daughter. Why would he think that was possible if there had never been any involvement between him and JB? Of course he could be lying and making that up (we don't yet know).

What was said is that he believes both children might be his.
If he believes that, either he is delusional, or he isn't.

 

[LietKynes]

" I think that if GB was involved MM & TM would be screaming it from the roof tops. "
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True, MM and TM seem to be worried about saving their own hides. Hopefully if they have any idea where AM might be heading, one or both of them will 'rat him out'.


I was going to say 'squeal like pigs'; but that isn't nice. Too late, I've said it.
Sorry for the rudeness, but I've been following this case for a few days and the whole thing makes me sick. Every moment that goes by without locating AM is more dangerous for those girls !

 

[Madeleine74]

If AM could murder JB and the older daughter, I can't imagine he would care what GB might have to say. Any plea by GB would be useless. They're not friends. AM is a cold-blooded killer.

Further, why must GB be on camera and/or giving interviews and publicly grieve or else be thought suspicious of something? Why does he need to prove something to us (the public)? I guarantee if he did he'd be analyzed up the yingyang and every blink of his eye would be scrutinized because that's what people love to do. Then someone would have a bad feeling or a dream or something based on their interpretation of what they think they saw when he was on TV. Ugh.

Allegedly, according to one unconfirmed report, AM somehow drugged the family. Or the father was asleep and perhaps AM lured the mother and older daughter separately to whatever room or outside garage where he killed them.

But GB not giving interviews and being 'seen' by the viewing public shouldn't be made into anything hinky. The man lost at least part of his family, and possibly most, and there's an expectation that he should do something that is for public consumption (and curiosity)? No.

 

[CuriousGuy]

Just a thought, I wonder if AM is part of a militia. He and the neighbor RN look the part. Those groups would have all sorts of places to bunker down and not be seen.

 

[sleuthupdate]

Ok I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this case because I don't understand how everyone is related.

1. How exactly are Adam Mayes and Gary Bain connected? I have heard two different possibly contradictory stories. The first is that at one time Adam and Gary were married to a pair of sisters. The second is that Gary was married to Adam's sister Pamela. What are the names of Gary and Adam's previous wives?

2. Is Gary Bain the biological father of all 3 of these girls?

3. Is Jo Ann the biological mother of all 3 of these girls?

I keep seeing speculation that the eldest daughter is Gary's daughter with Adam's sister Pamela but I've also seen speculation that Adam is the father of the oldest daughter with Jo Ann (did they date as teenagers?) then I also see rumors that the two youngest daughters are Adam's and not Gary's and another rumor that at least 2 of the children were fathered by a man who is neither Adam or Gary.

I'm confused.

The relationships are key, and much of the confusion steps from multiple media reports falsely claiming that AM and GB married sisters. In reality, GB married AM's sister when AM was 9 years old. AM has five siblings and an older sister married GB. The daughter from that marriage actualy was at GB's house the night before the abduction, by she was NOT abducted (and she is AM's niece).

The three girls who were abducted were JB's. At issue is the paternaty for these three. Legally, the two oldest (12 and 14) are from JB's first husband, while the youngest is from GB. Thus, GB had two biological children, one with AM's sister and one with JB.

However, multiple reports have suggested AM and JB had a relationship that goes back over a decade, raising the possibility that he fathered JB's two youngest (who are the two who are at large with AM).

Thus, there is the posiibilty that AM is the father of one or both, or that he thinks he is the father of one or both.

 

[HaikuMommy]

Here is some more crazy conspiratorial thinking... what if RN really WAS the "mole" feeding AM info, and he sees himself on TV but LE says nothing about him and claims the girl is not KB... meanwhile they have tapped RN's phone to see if he is the mole... and then he calls AM to say "omg, they had all 3 of us on surveillance on TV", then they go arrest RN for aiding. See? When I latch onto a crazy theory I run all the way with it!

No need to tell me I'm wrong, I know I probably am. Can't help myself anyway.

 

[Muckrucker]

I think the comment about AM not being able to pass as a woman incognito is due more to his height than anything. How common is it for a woman to be 6' 3"? Not very. Someone that height who was also dressed as a female would be noticed. Whether they were attractive or unattractive, they would still stick out because the height and gender (assuming dressed as female) would be unexpected.

And that, of course, says nothing about AM's ability to even look female. Not just makeup and a wig, but walking, talking, adam's apple, etc. Humans quickly take in and process gender but if there's a disconnect then it's noticed (or noticeable).

Not to mention he'd have to shave.

Even though he cut his hair, you'd think he'd go for max change and cut the beard, too. But nope, he kept it. I think it's part of his personal vanity, and parting with it, even to better disguise himself doesn't seem to be something he was willing to do. At least not at the time he was caught on camera.

Now then, can you imagine him shaving any bodily parts that females often do? :what:

 

[Shelby2]

I wonder who called the girls in sick to school? If they were..(you have to where I live or the school contacts you).
Also, how do we know that GB didn't contact AM? He could have called him? If my kids were missing I don't think I'd be driving anywhere. I would be home waiting for them.

 

[GDUD]

He may in fact have drugged them as mentioned as a possibility or he could have taken them from their sleep one at a time...
He could have had the mom and daughter already killed and in the trailer b4 he ever took the younger two.
They may not even know their mom and sister are deceased...

they trust him and he is obviously a manipulator and could have made up any story to tell these younger ones...

JMO

How could he have gotten JB out of her bed when GB said they went to bed at 1am?

 

[soyesterday]

I think that if GB was involved MM & TM would be screaming it from the roof tops.

Again.....so strange.....but i don't think Gary was involved....
His actions are just so off after they disapeared.
I just can't understand or explain it.
I'm not saying that he knew anything.
I think he was clueless. But how clueless can someone be?
I just don't understand his actions....or should i say "non- action" since
he realized they were missing.
I hope i make sense....

 

[Patty G]

What I am reading, Adrienne and Alexandria are children from the marriage of JB and MJ. Apparently, both girls do not have their father's last name. Now the question is, when did GB and JB get married and did GB adopt the two older children.

Gary Bain, the husband of Jo Ann Bain and the biological father of 8 year old Kaliyah is too upset to talk right now. Mark Johnson the biological father of 14 year old Adrienne and Alexandria is also too upset to talk. Relatives say they are devastated

http://www.wmctv.com/story/18237179...s-gather-to-remember-and-pray-for-bain-family

 

[Muckrucker]

Yeah the whole Gary thing is making me nuts. Where the heck is he. Not on tv making a plea for his friend to bring back his babys. nothing na da !!!

With any luck, he is heavily sedated and under Dr's care. He's living in a nightmare that is unimaginable.

I also think LE is carefully shielding him. We don't know what's going on at all behind the scenes. For all we know, LE might indeed have GB communicating pleas through back channels & mutual friends. And if he's not making public pleas, that may very well be at the direction of very wise, experienced people in LE guiding him.

I doubt for a second he'd want to set a foot wrong here or say anything in public that could further jeopardize those two little girls that he loves.

I feel deeply and truly sorry for him. This is a whole new definition of 'devastation'. I can't even begin to imagine.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I really hate to cast aspersions toward GB, but there is something that is really bugging me.

The murders occurred at his residence, presumably in the garage and another location on the lot. I have seen the drugging and silencer scenarios thrown out here and I suppose those could be plausible.

However, 2 MURDERS occurred at his home and he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary the next day? AM does not strike me as an evil genius capable of covering all his tracks. No blood? No signs of struggle? Nothing?

This just strikes me as very very odd and I AM NOT implying he participated in the crimes. I just cannot understand how he did not notice a thing

Since the garage is a separate building from the house, I'm assuming GB never went out there. Teresa Mayes's confession sounds like Jo Ann and Adrienne were both killed in the garage (Jo Ann for sure, Adrienne probably).

I may be wrong but I'm just not getting a hinky feeling about GB. And LE certainly had not released any info about him that suggests he's being looked at as a suspect.

 

[Mjskit]

" I think that if GB was involved MM & TM would be screaming it from the roof tops. "
Resp. snipped

True, MM and TM seem to be worried about saving their own hides. Hopefully if they have any idea where AM might be heading, one or both of them will 'rat him out'.


I was going to say 'squeal like pigs'; but that isn't nice. Too late, I've said it.
Sorry for the rudeness, but I've been following this case for a few days and the whole thing makes me sick. Every moment that goes by without locating AM is more dangerous for those girls !

****THEORY**** Maybe TM isn't screaming it from the rooftops because she doesn't know GB is involved. AM and GB were very close so isn't is possible a plan was developed while working on a car together to get rid of JB and the children to, oh I don't know, collect life insurance policies or something.

 

[Muckrucker]

If AM could murder JB and the older daughter, I can't imagine he would care what GB might have to say. Any plea by GB would be useless. They're not friends. AM is a cold-blooded killer.

Further, why must GB be on camera and/or giving interviews and publicly grieve or else be thought suspicious of something? Why does he need to prove something to us (the public)? I guarantee if he did he'd be analyzed up the yingyang and every blink of his eye would be scrutinized because that's what people love to do. Then someone would have a bad feeling or a dream or something based on their interpretation of what they think they saw when he was on TV. Ugh.

Allegedly, according to one unconfirmed report, AM somehow drugged the family. Or the father was asleep and perhaps AM lured the mother and older daughter separately to whatever room or outside garage where he killed them.

But GB not giving interviews and being 'seen' by the viewing public shouldn't be made into anything hinky. The man lost at least part of his family, and possibly most, and there's an expectation that he should do something that is for public consumption (and curiosity)? No.

Yeah. What she said. ^